Scammers and You.. a love story

mensar · October 2012

I hear all the time about "scammers" this and "scammers" that.. and it's becoming a household name.

I was scammed once.. got me good too. Took an item out of trade just as I hit accept and I didn't even realize what was going on because I was naive.

But.. when do we use that word erroneously?

How about just now...

I was in zone, saw someone offering to trade a jackfool mask for any legion gear. Well, I happened to have one and said fine.. Let's trade.

I pasted the link to the item to him.. he said alright.. things are good.

We meet, do the trade.. I (as always anymore) with my finger above the ESCAPE key just in case they try something. Nope, it was a solid trade. I say thanks.. he says thanks. We go our separate ways.

But then, I get a PM. "It doesn't have 4-slots".

I respond back, "some of them don't". I'm not even sure which one I gave him since (sorry PWE) they all suck compared to the 3-slot heroics anyway.

He decides he doesn't want it... Opens a trade window and puts the legion item I just gave him into it. Well.. I'm a little floored and somewhat awkward now.. I've already bound the item and now how to approach this?

I try to explain to him that he didn't ask for 4-slots he just asked for Legion. Well.. that's what he got. That's not good enough. Well.. what to do?

I OFFER TO BUY IT BACK FROM HIM FOR 500G...

That's not good enough.. now I'm a "scammer".

Seriously?

I tell him he's crazy. Not only did he get EXACTLY what he asked for, but I offered him globals to buy back the item. Ignorance on his part doesn't constitute "scamming" on mine.

Granted, he may not have known it had 3 slots. I have no idea.

But the concept that "everyone is a scammer" is eating our community alive.

He spent the next hour (so far) telling everyone in the zone to ignore me because I'm a scammer. At first I was outraged, rebuked him.. asked him what he thought a 'scam' was considering he got exactly what he asked for.

Luckily I've been here for 3 years and have some credibility has a trader so folks were telling him to take a running leap off a pier for defamation.

So.. moral of the story is:
Don't call someone a scammer unless you know what a "scam" even is.

Poor kid ended up getting reported for griefing which actually IS a valid complaint. And then I had to do screenshots of everything.. not a pleasant thing.

And I won't divulge his name here, as it's against the forum rules to talk negatively about a particular person. But I can let you know in the game who it is.. just PM me.

mainscrizz · October 2012

I witnessed all of this.

The Bacon speaks the truth.

flyingfinn · October 2012

Being and idiot who cannot state what he want's and then, by his own incompetance goes on Zone wide rage should get his name written on size 7 pink Comic Sans letters.

Reason why i don't trade with people i don't know. Since there's 90% chance that the one is an idiot.

jonsills · October 2012

flyingfinn wrote: »

Being and idiot who cannot state what he want's and then, by his own incompetance goes on Zone wide rage should get his name written on size 7 pink Comic Sans letters.

Well, that might be going a little far.

I mean - Comic Sans? Really??

lamina781 · October 2012

Problem is everyone thinks that legion items all have 4 slots, did bacon know that the person wanted a 4-slot and was getting a real good deal,I would have to say yes. But is bacon at fault at all,I would say no.If you can't ask how many slots it has or just look at it when it is in trade screen before hitting accept that is your stupidity.If I traded him I would not give back the costume piece even if I didn't use it.

d0m1nusdrak3 · October 2012

mainscrizz wrote: »

I witnessed all of this.

The Bacon speaks the truth.

Your not the only one XD. But yeah, its kinda obnoxious for someone to get mad just becuase what they got wasn't what they expected, so the other moral to add is "Before you buy something that you don't know much about, DO YOUR RESEARCH to learn more about it and then decide if that is what you rlly want."

mensar · October 2012

Of course I offered the item I felt had the least worth. That's how you open a trade negotiation... He said 'yes'. He never asked for 4-slots or I would have offered the Legion's Breastplate of Growth which would be my least-worth 4-slot.

If he had said "no" then the negotiations would have gone from there.

Momma bacon raised him to be a little smarter than the average bacon. But uhh.. no wrongdoing took place. Did I expect him to whine? Maybe? But before I could try to handle the situation by maybe offering him another item in trade for that one, he got personal on the zone chat.

Then all bets were off and it would have looked like I was guilty if I had made concessions at that point. Only thing to do was ride it out.

But I do have screenshots of the whole thing (once I figured out where steam kept them.. which is in memory until you tell it to display them on disk, lol).

Be careful what you ask for if it's not what you want? I don't know what other happy moral to write :-/

nepht · October 2012

I seen some of this hooha in zone also Bacon is stating fact.

I would say to anyone to avoid daft arguments just sell your things in AH.

neuraldamage · October 2012

Well... while I agree that a smart buyer is an informed buyer. I don't really think you should be acting all smug about not taking advantage of him.

Because you did. :eek:

I've seen a bunch of people proclaim that "all Legion items have 4 slots" both in zone and the trade channel. Until they find out that they all don't.

Whether by bug or by design, who knows other than Cryptic in their infinite stupidity - they sure didn't bother to tell us. But I think it fairly safe to say that in the absence of Cryptic-provided documentation, we all did assume they would all have 4 slots. I know I did. Didn't you, until you found out they did not?

Surely you're not gonna say you didn't hope he wouldn't notice it was the 3-slot Legion drop are you?

It is admirable that you were going to rectify the situation and ensure a happy buyer. But you didn't did you? Do you feel... honorable?

Nothing personal, "it's just business". Just playing Devil's Advocate since I see both sides of the picture. Should he have known what he was buying? Absolutely. Should you have taken advantage of his naivety? Well... that's for you to determine.

Caveat emptor, it was coined long ago for a reason. Sadly, that reason still exists today.

neuraldamage · October 2012

nepht wrote: »

I would say to anyone to avoid daft arguments just sell your things in AH.

This really isn't an option until Silvers can handle transactions greater than 250 globals is it? :rolleyes:

mensar · October 2012

neuraldamage wrote: »

Well... while I agree that a smart buyer is an informed buyer. I don't really think you should be acting all smug about not taking advantage of him.

Because you did. :eek:

I've seen a bunch of people proclaim that "all Legion items have 4 slots" both in zone and the trade channel. Until they find out that they all don't.

Whether by bug or by design, who knows other than Cryptic in their infinite stupidity - they sure didn't bother to tell us. But I think it fairly safe to say that in the absence of Cryptic-provided documentation, we all did assume they would all have 4 slots. I know I did. Didn't you, until you found out they did not?

Surely you're not gonna say you didn't hope he wouldn't notice it was the 3-slot Legion drop are you?

It is admirable that you were going to rectify the situation and ensure a happy buyer. But you didn't did you? Do you feel... honorable?

Nothing personal, "it's just business". Just playing Devil's Advocate since I see both sides of the picture. Should he have known what he was buying? Absolutely. Should you have taken advantage of his naivety? Well... that's for you to determine.

Caveat emptor, it was coined long ago for a reason. Sadly, that reason still exists today.

The question is.. did I care if he knew there were 3 slots? No. I didn't think that mattered. He didn't ask that, it was in the trade window for awhile, he saw it.. and looked at it for awhile before he hit accept.

For all I knew, he knew already. If he didn't? Well.. that's part of pulling up the big-boy pants and taking responsiblity for one's actions.

I'm not being smug about the outcome. I'm warning others that not only ARE there scammers out there (first part of my first post) but to be careful who they swing that double-edged sword at. Otherwise I could have just not posted anything

That was really the point

twg042370 · October 2012

Since other players have confirmed that this isn't a he-said-she-said, I'm on your side. They made a mistake, you offered a reasonable exchange, they went ballistic.

But yeah, there should be a better way to do trades and AH in this game.

skcark · October 2012

neuraldamage wrote: »

Well... while I agree that a smart buyer is an informed buyer. I don't really think you should be acting all smug about not taking advantage of him.

Because you did. :eek:

I've seen a bunch of people proclaim that "all Legion items have 4 slots" both in zone and the trade channel. Until they find out that they all don't.

Whether by bug or by design, who knows other than Cryptic in their infinite stupidity - they sure didn't bother to tell us. But I think it fairly safe to say that in the absence of Cryptic-provided documentation, we all did assume they would all have 4 slots. I know I did. Didn't you, until you found out they did not?

Surely you're not gonna say you didn't hope he wouldn't notice it was the 3-slot Legion drop are you?

It is admirable that you were going to rectify the situation and ensure a happy buyer. But you didn't did you? Do you feel... honorable?

Nothing personal, "it's just business". Just playing Devil's Advocate since I see both sides of the picture. Should he have known what he was buying? Absolutely. Should you have taken advantage of his naivety? Well... that's for you to determine.

Caveat emptor, it was coined long ago for a reason. Sadly, that reason still exists today.

I'm partially with this. I did notice thread-maker saying he offered the item he felt was of least value to *himself* than what he felt was *fair* value for the trade, which could possibly tie in with this quote about knowing the whole 4-slots/no-slots thing. But that other guy seemed like after the mistake he only wanted to stir more trouble.

I've been on my own trade mishaps in the past, when selling that grandfather christmas gear with the lvl 40 and 27 etc levels. i accidently sold a lvl 27 and the guy cancelled the trade saying it was a scam, i had to look for a while then i realised because i assumed all drops dropped based on character level. so i had more spares and was able to rectify, and i'm pretty sure he did understand what the mishap was all about.

And times where i've bought something, and realised it wasn't the exact thing i expected, but i knew they did eveyrthing they were asked for so i wouldn't press the matter because i knew i didn't specify enough which is what this other kid should have done, specify. I mean, unless legion gear is changing the rule, Secondary gear does NOT have slots, and if there is secondary gear for legions, he would have known it wasn't slotted if he looked at it's info in the window.

nepht · October 2012

neuraldamage wrote: »

This really isn't an option until Silvers can handle transactions greater than 250 globals is it? :rolleyes:

But I never sell anything over 250 so everyone can have a chance of buying the stuff be it DS , Warlords Foot, whatever .

But yes this is a PWE game now and its about time the G limit was removed . Perfect World games are pay to win NOT pay to play and most dont have these silly basic game currency limits.

gandales · October 2012

As a service to the community could you clarify which legion gear is not 4-slotted?

rugrothrumbor · October 2012

I saw this yesterday lol

man515drake · October 2012

neuraldamage wrote: »

This really isn't an option until Silvers can handle transactions greater than 250 globals is it? :rolleyes:

I trade always using the auction house and never sell anything for more than 250 globals. This way things sell fast and silvers can buy them. If you want to sell items for more than 250 globals (you did not pay for them) it's your own greed that makes things worth more than 250 globals.

I don't trade outside the auction house I have enough globals to do what I want with and have never been scammed or been accused of scamming.

skcark · October 2012

man515drake wrote: »

If you want to sell items for more than 250 globals (you did not pay for them) it's your own greed that makes things worth more than 250 globals.

Question, if the Quijibo Action Figure was tradeable, what do you think it would be worth, and what would you offer IF you were trying to buy one, after say... hunting for it for years, but Quijibo then got removed from the game?

Second question, new circumstance, YOU possess this item in question and the drops are removed, and are trying to sell it. would you sell it for 250G?

crypticbuxom · October 2012

I want to say that all the Legion gear should be fixed to have 4 slots, but I doubt the devs will notice or will say that its "intended" to avoid work that satisfies their customers.

Or worse yet, they nerf the Legion gear to not have innate stats.

nepht · October 2012

skcark wrote: »

Question, if the Quijibo Action Figure was tradeable, what do you think it would be worth, and what would you offer IF you were trying to buy one, after say... hunting for it for years, but Quijibo then got removed from the game?

Second question, new circumstance, YOU possess this item in question and the drops are removed, and are trying to sell it. would you sell it for 250G?

I would. G is only games maths not real money.

man515drake · October 2012

skcark wrote: »

Question, if the Quijibo Action Figure was tradeable, what do you think it would be worth, and what would you offer IF you were trying to buy one, after say... hunting for it for years, but Quijibo then got removed from the game?

Second question, new circumstance, YOU possess this item in question and the drops are removed, and are trying to sell it. would you sell it for 250G?

Simple answer YES if I don't need it and it cost me nothing but time I would sell it for 250 globals and not think twice. I can get all the globals I need selling junk and mods why would I need more than 250g well I suppose I could use it to buy some overpriced thing from the auction house but why bother when I can either earn it or if it's no longer in the game do without it, it won't kill me or stop me enjoying the game.

skcark · October 2012

man515drake wrote: »

Simple answer YES if I don't need it and it cost me nothing but time I would sell it for 250 globals and not think twice. I can get all the globals I need selling junk and mods why would I need more than 250g well I suppose I could use it to buy some overpriced thing from the auction house but why bother when I can either earn it or if it's no longer in the game do without it, it won't kill me or stop me enjoying the game.

Although you skipped the first question.

i'll be honest, i hadn't prepared a reply for that, i was expecting you to say something different.

I guess it would just be bad form to spin in to reality? Win a lottery for 1 million dollars, you didn't spend time getting trying to gain it, but others have and failed. you keep it all or give it away? for sake of background, you didn't even buy the ticket, it was some complimentary thing for buying a product maybe. so you weren't even actively seeking to win.

crypticbuxom · October 2012

skcark wrote: »

Question, if the Qwijibo Action Figure was tradeable...

The sad thing is, this USED to be a BoE item. Why they thought it was necessary to change it to BoP baffles me even more than when they removed it from the drop list. I consider it a Legacy AF now that should be dropped in the Q store.

warcanch · October 2012

During my time in this game, I've bartered and sold plenty an item, mostly through the AH but a few done face-to-face. I've never scammed nor been scammed. And, one thing I'm proud of is, I've given away many things that brought big money for others (over half my 25 Redeye Lasers, tons of CTP mats, Therakiel wings, etc).

* * * shameless plug below * * *
I rarely play any more, but I find that I still have a number of LEGACY costume unlocks (good ol foresight). So, now the WarCan is looking at the new LEGACY DEVICES and would love to get some.

Oh sure, who wouldn't want some of the really OP ones, I'd like a couple (don't want/need the pheremones) but I'd really like to get the DEVICE versions for my characters that had the original gear versions. Such as the ICE GRENADES. Boy, those were fun leveling with.

For trade, I have about 4 FLINTLOCKs left, about 10 U-09 crybabies, and quite a few other assorted costume unlock WEAPONs and non-weapons (no rares left, except Therakiel wings).

skcark · November 2012

crypticbuxom wrote: »

The sad thing is, this USED to be a BoE item. Why they thought it was necessary to change it to BoP baffles me even more than when they removed it from the drop list. I consider it a Legacy AF now that should be dropped in the Q store.

WAIT WHAT?!?! it doesn't drop anymore?!?!? brillant cryptic... brilliant. rarest mob to kill with rarest AF made rarer by making it BoP and they REMOVED IT?!?! this is why i really hate how they change things. you can spend months and not know it's removed because they never tell us anything. All this On-Alert update has ever given was grief and tiresome repetitive alerts

warcanch wrote: »

During my time in this game, I've bartered and sold plenty an item, mostly through the AH but a few done face-to-face. I've never scammed nor been scammed. And, one thing I'm proud of is, I've given away many things that brought big money for others (over half my 25 Redeye Lasers, tons of CTP mats, Therakiel wings, etc).

* * * shameless plug below * * *
I rarely play any more, but I find that I still have a number of LEGACY costume unlocks (good ol foresight). So, now the WarCan is looking at the new LEGACY DEVICES and would love to get some.

Oh sure, who wouldn't want some of the really OP ones, I'd like a couple (don't want/need the pheremones) but I'd really like to get the DEVICE versions for my characters that had the original gear versions. Such as the ICE GRENADES. Boy, those were fun leveling with.

For trade, I have about 4 FLINTLOCKs left, about 10 U-09 crybabies, and quite a few other assorted costume unlock WEAPONs and non-weapons (no rares left, except Therakiel wings).

I would be interested in trading, though i don't consider Therakiel'sWings as "rare" since it's 100% drop on elite

Scammers and You.. a love story

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