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thesithkiller360thesithkiller360 Posts: 52 Arc User
edited October 2012 in Suggestions Box
Ok, I KNOW I've Merely returned here to CO for the Cape Glide TP, even though its worth almost nothing, but I have seen some updates on both actual gameplay and RP side of this game.
I have played many games, and the Idea I am about to introduce has NOT been implemented in any MMO I know of.

It's crazy, but before you start Throwing bunch of tomatoes at me, and I start epically dodging them all, hear me out, fans of Superhero games! It actually occured to me after I watched Next avengers cartoon (Lame, I know, but it gave me ideas) that Super Heroes and Super Heroines tend to fall in love with each other more rather than simple humans.


I offer you the opportunity to marry others in- game WOW WOW, I KNOW it is already in some MMOs , but let me finish.

Imagine: You see a superhuman/ creature/ whatever player in the game, and you decide to engage your life with him/her. But after you actually engage, in the time being (decided by game- ill explain How later) you or your partner becomes pregnant (or, if you are robotic Super, buys new constructor suit) and you have a baby. As soon as that happens, both of you get notified by mail.

Now, you are probably asking, what am I suggesting, spamming the world with more NPCs, like with Nemesis- creator type, but for the Kids superhero? NO.

Here's suggested system:
Each time a NEW character is created by a player (Be it Silver or Gold), the power types he/she chose are compared to the combinations of two MARRIED characters (in the future Ill call them couples). The closest match of Powers for the couple And new character means that that couple is going to have that new player as a Child.
So, as you appear in the Millenium City, instead of being welcomed by, say Defender ONLY, you will also receive some intro from real- life players (Your mom and dad/ your father robot and mommy robot/ you choose what else).
Now, This system would obviously impact a LOT of RPers and actual non-RP gameplay as well.
How? Well, here's my full list:

Gameplay Changes
  • You can marry once you and your potential partner are level XX
  • You Can only marry once one of you has purchased the Wedding Ring set (Sold in packs of 2 rings- C-store? For In-game Currency? Up to cryptics)
  • You both get ability to teleport to your other half once an hour.
  • Once your new- born "Baby" is in-game, you do NOT have to be there to welcome him, but your character costumes will be used in the cutscene of You welcoming your son/daughter into MC
  • Your Offspring MUST have some common power type on him, in order to be "randomly" appointed to you- like in RL, you never know how your Child will look like, and what (s)he'll be capable of, right?
  • However, you know Your child WILL have some of your genetics- so SOME power sets must be the same for Both couple's AND child.
  • If you complete a Mission in a group with your child, you will get a Bonus (EXP, Questionite, Resources, etc.) and/ or a perk.
  • You can also teleport to your child in case he enters some specific command in the chat.
  • After you are married with someone, you get an aura "Honey moon", Which essentially allows you to have more protection from outside world (Less damage) and get more experience in Life (XP Bonus). Possibly, you will not be allowed to have new players as your kids while "Honey Moon" is still active (Optional)
  • Those who registered in the game since Beta, are privelliged to be offsprings of such legendary Heroes as Defender, Kinetic, Witchcraft, etc. even though its Exceptional, since those are NPCs, NOT real Players. (Optional)
Roleplaying Changes
Pfft....... You Tell me! ^_^ Im not really a RPer, I know it Will give options to have more social life in the MMO, and (God forbid!) Meet a real love in RL via Champions Online!
.............
To sum it up:

I am Offering to introduce the Marriage and kids- system into a game, which will have impact on both the gameplay AND roleplay sides of the CO. All details- Above.

I think I've written enough. All haters- feel free to pass by, all those who have sensible Suggestions about this IDEA, please- I would LOVE to hear your constructive criticism.
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  • chaoswolf820chaoswolf820 Posts: 734 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    No. Just... no.
  • bjoernrbjoernr Posts: 110 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Ideas like this killed whole game franchises like fable. :frown:
    so ... no.
  • rokurocarisrokurocaris Posts: 1,074 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Not signed.

    What exactly would the average player gain from a forced RP realationship with two other players he probably never met before? And a family certainly doesn't work that way! :rolleyes:

    There is another new feature in planing that could be used to create a child for your character: Custom sidekicks. Okay, those are NPCs and they can be about everything, not just kids, but at least it's not going to be forced upon players who don't want to have anything to do with it.
  • thesithkiller360thesithkiller360 Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    No. Just... no.
    Well.... Useless Comment, since not Explained. So, Just no.
    rokurocaris, I realise the danger of Enforced kids, so There should be an Option (for Both couple AND new player) to have family ticked somewhere when you create the character AND when you get into relationship in the Game.
    So far it has been just roleplaying, I've seen people wishing to marry each other, but game does not allow it, so they are forced to just RP it, and even create new characters, supposedely their "Kids" in- game.

    If and ONLY if players have choice of having/ not having family- parental ties in the game, will this idea work. I didnt mention it in the suggested bullet- point list , because I thought it was obvious that with that innovation some people will not want to have children, and it should be Choosable by each player.

    Updated: Bjoernr, whats fable? I thought its a SP game, Not mmo?? correct me if Im wrong, and also, how did that kill Franchise, u tell me? Just interested there, cause i Only tried Fable 3 , u see.
    So, any other suggestions about this idea?
  • chaoswolf820chaoswolf820 Posts: 734 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Tell me... why exactly makes this the sort of game that you think would "fit" having marriage/children added to it?

    It just doesn't seem suitable for the game's playstyle. It'd be like asking for Valve to add pets to Team Fortress 2 - it just doesn't fit the genre.
    So far it has been just roleplaying, I've seen people wishing to marry each other, but game does not allow it, so they are forced to just RP it, and even create new characters, supposedely their "Kids" in- game.

    Nothing wrong with doing it that way, so what benefit, if any, would your idea serve?
  • goodwilloutgoodwillout Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    How would gay superheroes fit into your plan?

    I'm not trolling here. I'm genuinely curious.
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  • flyingfinnflyingfinn Posts: 8,408 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    So who get's what when/if divorce happens?

    All the hideouts?
    All the Hero vehicles?
    Who gets to keep what nemesis?
    What if you have Swinging as your TP?


    What if the kid/s are just plain human? Or turn up as aliens? Which of the parent is imposter?


    Oh, and who gets the kids?


    Which of the Legendary Heroes kids will fill the MC? DMan/Witchy, Ironclad/Sapphire, Foxbat/Witchcraft, Doc Silverback/Juryrig (come on, obviously couple), Kinetik/AllTheLadiesWoopWoop, Dr. Destroyer/Arcana (will Destroyer use this feature to make an army to conquer our world)???
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  • pion01pion01 Posts: 758 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    flyingfinn wrote: »
    So who get's what when/if divorce happens?

    All the hideouts?
    All the Hero vehicles?
    Who gets to keep what nemesis?
    What if you have Swinging as your TP?


    What if the kid/s are just plain human? Or turn up as aliens? Which of the parent is imposter?


    Oh, and who gets the kids?


    Which of the Legendary Heroes kids will fill the MC? DMan/Witchy, Ironclad/Sapphire, Foxbat/Witchcraft, Doc Silverback/Juryrig (come on, obviously couple), Kinetik/AllTheLadiesWoopWoop, Dr. Destroyer/Arcana (will Destroyer use this feature to make an army to conquer our world)???

    Divorce doesn't happen, the significant other gets stuffed in a refrigerator.
  • mensarmensar Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I'm literally sitting here gawking at this thread.

    Really?!

    I would vote a tremendous and resounding "no" to this.

    Not only would it offend (and genuinely creep out) the normal player, but it becomes a headache for coding and I won't even go into why.

    Keep RP in the club AND in private messages. That's my vote.

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  • mensarmensar Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    How would gay superheroes fit into your plan?

    I'm not trolling here. I'm genuinely curious.

    Whaaaatttt?? Yeah, like there are gay people playing this game where most of the men are in tights and when you use a travel power their butt is the only thing that fills the screen (thank god for capes, that's all I can say).

    That's just CRAZY! (sarcasm)

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  • thesithkiller360thesithkiller360 Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    flyingfinn wrote: »
    So who get's what when/if divorce happens?

    All the hideouts?
    All the Hero vehicles?
    Who gets to keep what nemesis?
    What if you have Swinging as your TP?


    What if the kid/s are just plain human? Or turn up as aliens? Which of the parent is imposter?


    Oh, and who gets the kids?


    Which of the Legendary Heroes kids will fill the MC? DMan/Witchy, Ironclad/Sapphire, Foxbat/Witchcraft, Doc Silverback/Juryrig (come on, obviously couple), Kinetik/AllTheLadiesWoopWoop, Dr. Destroyer/Arcana (will Destroyer use this feature to make an army to conquer our world)???

    U get banned. For breaking someone's Heart. (And the game mechanics)
    How would gay superheroes fit into your plan?

    I'm not trolling here. I'm genuinely curious.

    Hm, well
    I was gonna ask, but to put it Politely.......
    u See, since u Raised that issue....
    I mean, Im not saying its abnormal, and stuff nowadays, hence, well......
    ......
    Dude. u Gay? No offence meant, just wondering. Exactly- what u r thinking now is what I thought when I read ur reply.
    On serious note, I would just ignore that part of gameplay, or leave it to cryptics.

    Anyways, some interesting replies here- the only one I DO mind answering is
    Tell me... why exactly makes this the sort of game that you think would "fit" having marriage/children added to it?
    Yes....... For now, I wont reply, but u'll see later why.

    So, anymore ideas/ Arguments? So far most seem reasonably valid.
  • pion01pion01 Posts: 758 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    U get banned. For breaking someone's Heart. (And the game mechanics)



    Hm, well
    I was gonna ask, but to put it Politely.......
    u See, since u Raised that issue....
    I mean, Im not saying its abnormal, and stuff nowadays, hence, well......
    ......
    Dude. u Gay? No offence meant, just wondering. Exactly- what u r thinking now is what I thought when I read ur reply.
    On serious note, I would just ignore that part of gameplay, or leave it to cryptics.

    Anyways, some interesting replies here- the only one I DO mind answering is

    Yes....... For now, I wont reply, but u'll see later why.

    So, anymore ideas/ Arguments? So far most seem reasonably valid.

    See, my whole issue with this is -

    If I have a world were busty, hourglassy, spandex and highheel wearing superpowered vixens can get their swerve on with each other.....

    Well, why would I bother with the straight at all?

    And to be fair,

    If I have a world where strong, powerful, glistening, adonis-like superpowered hunks can get their swerve on with each other....

    Now, if we take the idea, throw out the kids and replace it with a larger penthouse jacuzzi, port over some strobes from Caprice, increase the number from 5 to 50 and just go buck wild....

    Then I could totally get behind this idea.

    Also? On top of, below and in front of this idea as well. :biggrin:
  • goodwilloutgoodwillout Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited October 2012

    Hm, well
    I was gonna ask, but to put it Politely.......
    u See, since u Raised that issue....
    I mean, Im not saying its abnormal, and stuff nowadays, hence, well......
    ......
    Dude. u Gay? No offence meant, just wondering. Exactly- what u r thinking now is what I thought when I read ur reply.
    On serious note, I would just ignore that part of gameplay, or leave it to cryptics.

    No, I'm not (although I'm not sure how my answer was necessary in any way). I simply wondered how well you'd thought this idea through and your response has told me everything that I need to know. Many thanks!
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  • thesithkiller360thesithkiller360 Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    pion01 wrote: »


    See, my whole issue with this is -

    If I have a world were busty, hourglassy, spandex and highheel wearing superpowered vixens can get their swerve on with each other.....

    Well, why would I bother with the straight at all?

    And to be fair,

    If I have a world where strong, powerful, glistening, adonis-like superpowered hunks can get their swerve on with each other....

    Now, if we take the idea, throw out the kids and replace it with a larger penthouse jacuzzi, port over some strobes from Caprice, increase the number from 5 to 50 and just go buck wild....

    Then I could totally get behind this idea.

    Also? On top of, below and in front of this idea as well. :biggrin:

    OH, man, You TOTALLY could....... But you won't.
    Ever. Cause it Ain't happening.
    Goodwill, oh, your answer was not necessary, it was partially rhethorical question.
    And yes- You ARE welcome, my dear friend. Ask anytime.
  • man515drakeman515drake Posts: 182 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    No for the simple answer because I want my characters to be well mine. I don't want to be forcibly linked to any other characters. I will just use a few of my toons for example :

    1/ Lifeform- a alien nanobot construct with a hive intelligence. He isn't a child he is a bunch of nanobots grouped together into a human shape.

    2/Wolfie- a wolf bitten by a werewolf that became a werehuman. His parents are wolves not heroes.

    3/Dr Blackthorn- A mage from the sixties that vanished from this dimension on magical adventures to return unaged I think his parents are dead.

    4/Seamus Muldoon- A character from a certain sugary childrens cereal brought to life by a stray summoning spell as a real life Leprechaun. So his Mum and Dad would be a mage and a cardboard box.

    5/Kraken- an ancient assassin created by Atlantean mages in ancient Greece recently released by an archeologist from his eternal prison cell now trying to make up for his past deeds.

    That is just five of my toons and none of them fit some ill devised forced parent child fiasco. I think this idea has little or no merit if I want to have a toon have a family I can I just write it in my backstory I don't need a system in the game.

    The second reason I will say no is I would rather have the devs work on new power sets or adventure packs, comic series or new zones. Even vehicles I have no interest in are a better ideas for devs energy.
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  • chaoswolf820chaoswolf820 Posts: 734 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    U get banned. For breaking someone's Heart. (And the game mechanics)



    Hm, well
    I was gonna ask, but to put it Politely.......
    u See, since u Raised that issue....
    I mean, Im not saying its abnormal, and stuff nowadays, hence, well......
    ......
    Dude. u Gay? No offence meant, just wondering. Exactly- what u r thinking now is what I thought when I read ur reply.
    On serious note, I would just ignore that part of gameplay, or leave it to cryptics.

    Wow. As if the original idea didn't already smell of it, now you've definitely outed yourself as being a troll with responses like this.
  • lotar295lotar295 Posts: 903 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    definitely no,this kind of thing sort of forces RP,and ERP more specifically,and also,not every player here is human,or even has parents,take robots,animals,mystical heroes,etc. a good lot of them wouldn't have parents,even in my humans characters I never really specified that they had parents,it just seems like a bit of a boring thing,not to mention the ERP that would come with that,last time I checked,ERP was frowned upon.
  • jasinblazejasinblaze Posts: 1,360 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    most of us flee our responsibilities to play this game for a short time.
    you want to give us in-game responsibilities as well?
    • bills
    • have a job
    • rent / mortgage
    • remembering anniversaries
    • taxes
    • grocery shopping
    • making meals 3 times a day
    • laundry
    • cleaning your hideout
    • school meetings
    • family outings
    do you really want to open this Pandora's box? ;)
    edit: my wife suggested you might want to play sims instead
  • man515drakeman515drake Posts: 182 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    jasinblaze wrote: »
    most of us flee our responsibilities to play this game for a short time.
    you want to give us in-game responsibilities as well?
    • bills
    • have a job
    • rent / mortgage
    • remembering anniversaries
    • taxes
    • grocery shopping
    • making meals 3 times a day
    • laundry
    • cleaning your hideout
    • school meetings
    • family outings
    do you really want to open this Pandora's box? ;)
    edit: my wife suggested you might want to play sims instead

    Funny thing thats what my wife suggested to great minds think alike. :tongue:

    I just had a thought you would have to stop these married couples from pvping each other and their kids as a teen rated game couldn't support in family violence. :biggrin:
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  • sers1sers1 Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    this kind of reminds me of a cross between SWTOR's Legacy system and Dream of Mirror Online's relationship system, of which one was terrible and the other was just sort of creepy.

    It's an interesting idea, but i really can't agree or sign on something that is aLOT of coding for something that only affect's RPers really, and seems like mostly in a way most of them wouldn't like.
  • lotar295lotar295 Posts: 903 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Also,on a more serious note:Wouldn't this affect the games ERB rating,I mean,publically displaying a feature thats technically ERP and scare off little kids?

    Also, as I said before,not everybody would even have kids,or parents.
    most of us flee our responsibilities to play this game for a short time.
    you want to give us in-game responsibilities as well?
    bills
    have a job
    rent / mortgage
    remembering anniversaries
    taxes
    grocery shopping
    making meals 3 times a day
    laundry
    cleaning your hideout
    school meetings
    family outings
    do you really want to open this Pandora's box? ;)
    edit: my wife suggested you might want to play sims instead

    Exactly.....why.....we...shouldn't...have...this.
  • bluhmanbluhman Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Here I was expecting this to be a suggestion for kid-styled costume parts/faces/hairs/whatever. Well, now that I'm here, I can safely say that I don't want my next character to procedurally become the son of a robot and a dragon, just because they both use fire powers and happened to be married for some reason. I have no interest in getting involved in the personal online and potentially intimate relationship of two other players in an MMO, thank you very much.

    Oh, right. Also, how the hell will retconning work with this system? I still might be the son of these robot/dragon things, but how does that explain that I changed my build to be something like a chihuahua mystic, for example? In addition, how does the system plan exactly what kind of character the new player will be from an energy builder and a blast/combo?

    So aside from the whole creepiness of thinking about what kind of hideous children my half-irradiated 16 year old girl might have (which is both illegal and not even physically possible), no, the system isn't even feasible as a gameplay mechanic.

    E:
    Roleplaying Changes
    Pfft....... You Tell me! ^_^ Im not really a RPer, I know it Will give options to have more social life in the MMO, and (God forbid!) Meet a real love in RL via Champions Online!

    huh yeah youve clearly done the research here so clearly you know best
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  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,318 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I believe that this whole mess may stem from a basic misunderstanding of what RP is, and a conflation of RP with ERP. (To be fair, much of the RP I've witnessed in-game is ERP, but by no means all.)

    "Roleplaying", for the miseducated (like ol' sithkiller there), is when you flesh out your character, deciding what he/she/it is like as a person (or whatever he/she/it happens to be). This will inform how you play through the game with that character, and, if you choose to respond to someone in-character, how you do it. For instance, Vizzone roleplays Lee Tosi in chat (wonderfully, IMO). He also uses that character to justify why Lee does what he does - he's taking down all those who might pose a threat to Teleios' plans, if/when he returns. (Lee refuses to believe that Teleios might actually be dead.)

    As another example, I decided that Backfire used to be a low-grade VIPER flunky, but got his powers when his superiors volunteered him for an experimental procedure. He now hates VIPER and everything they stand for. The way this comes through in play is that Backfire goes out of his way to attack any VIPER troops he sees, even if it has nothing to do with his current mission and might actually endanger him. (In 3rd edition PnP terms, he has Psych Limitation - Hatred of VIPER, attacks on 11 or less.)

    Happifun Security System X-4 is a robot, originally designed for commercial security (malls and such). It tends to refer to organics as "citizen" a lot, and impartially analyze situations in chat. I find it kind of stifles my natural smart-**** tendencies when I'm playing Happifun.

    This is "roleplaying" - assuming a character role, then playing it. This may or may not involve any romantic liasons - the Dork Knight, for instance, is extremely unlikely to be out picking up girls while dressed as a Batman clown...
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  • monaahirumonaahiru Posts: 3,073 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Most of my toons are virgin and my Player is male, I don't want to get proposed by someone. xD
  • agentnx5agentnx5 Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    jasinblaze wrote: »
    most of us flee our responsibilities to play this game for a short time.
    you want to give us in-game responsibilities as well?
    • bills
    • have a job
    • rent / mortgage
    • remembering anniversaries
    • taxes
    • grocery shopping
    • making meals 3 times a day
    • laundry
    • cleaning your hideout
    • school meetings
    • family outings
    do you really want to open this Pandora's box? ;)
    edit: my wife suggested you might want to play sims instead

    LOL!

    Actually there's a game that does this: http://secondlife.com/

    You can also have sex in that game.

    And you can have Ralph troll you while you have sex in that game:
    Ralph Pootawn (or simply Ralph) is a Second Life troll who likes to show up uninvited and watch when people are trying to have virtual sex. If this bit of creepiness wasn?t enough, Ralph?s avatar is in the form of a little green demon with a beer and a pipe. Needless to say, Ralph?s presence usually ends up derailing the sex, much to his enjoyment.

    I can't make this stuff up lol! This is a very strange world we live in.
  • chaoswolf820chaoswolf820 Posts: 734 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    agentnx5 wrote: »
    And you can have Ralph troll you while you have sex in that game.

    Ralph pls go

    NO.
  • rugrothrumborrugrothrumbor Posts: 534 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    As if marriages in game wasn't enough... :tongue:
  • hyperstrikecohhyperstrikecoh Posts: 472 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    YeahNO!

    I wouldn't subject someone to me IRL.
    Why would I subject someone to an expy of me in a game?

    Sorry, but the entire notion of "married avatars" in-game is kinda creepy already.
    Actually enshrining it with game mechanics for it?

    NO THANK YOU!

    /jranger
  • chaosdrgnz43chaosdrgnz43 Posts: 1,674 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    This is an action MMORPG. There's no need to turn CO into something like SecondLife.
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  • flyingfinnflyingfinn Posts: 8,408 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I forgot to say, kids isn't unique idea. People been having kids for hundreds of years.
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  • vendincevendince Posts: 296 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Not to mention that as a superhero, having kids means pretty much painting a big target on them that says "Please kidnap me."

    This just isn't that kind of game...
  • thesithkiller360thesithkiller360 Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    agentnx5 wrote: »
    LOL!

    Actually there's a game that does this: http://secondlife.com/

    You can also have sex in that game.

    And you can have Ralph troll you while you have sex in that game:


    I can't make this stuff up lol! This is a very strange world we live in.

    SECOND- LIFE- IS - NOT- A - GAME!
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  • theravenforcetheravenforce Posts: 7,132 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    As if people PMing me and my chars that we need to go out on a date isnt bad enough already?

    I have been PMed before by someone telling me that I was his Wife...:confused:

    The amount of times this has come up in RP and love RP...it's just a massive NO, from me and I do love Roleplaying, but having Kids..would be a massive drag, there are just too many things to consider, what if your facing Gravitar and it's 3:30pm so you have to go pick up your kids from work? lol no way! No thank you.

    As much as I respect those who do "Love RP" and marriage, it isnt for everyone. Certainly not for me, as I have stressed before.

    If people are -that- desperate for kids, ask another player to create a kid with no powers to follow you around...I've seen it before.
  • stupendousmanxstupendousmanx Posts: 93 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    When I saw this topic, I thought it would be about a kid model like there's a man model and a woman model when you create your character. Son, I am disappoint.
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  • thesithkiller360thesithkiller360 Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    When I saw this topic, I thought it would be about a kid model like there's a man model and a woman model when you create your character. Son, I am disappoint.

    no Worries, Mom. it WILL get Better.
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