Threat duration?

williamkony · October 2012

Couldn't find an answer in the big stickied Threat Guide.

How long does Threat last? Does it stick around until the enemy has died, or does it wear off after a certain amount of time?

As an example situation: Two Hybrid-role characters (no changes to threat generation, so threat is based purely on the damage done) fight an enemy with 300,000 HP.

One character deals 100,000 damage before the other character gets into the fight, at which point the first character stops fighting, and just blocks. Assume they stay alive without needing to heal (which would generate more threat). Will the enemy's attention only transfer over to the second character after the second character has dealt 100,001+ damage? Or will it transfer over before that since the first character hasn't attacked for a while?

ajanus · October 2012

This is probably one of those "Cryptic math" questions, but something to consider:

Your superstats also affect threat depending on role (dps-lowers, tank-raises)...not really sure on Hybrid...I would assume lowers if you didn't take Bulwark. If that is the case, then if toon B has higher superstats, he would have to deal a lot more damage in order to take over threat because he gets more of a threat reduction based on higher superstats.

In order to determine who will pull the most threat, you will have to use 2 toons that are built identically.

If I were guessing on threat per fight, I would say, unless the mob has some kind of threat wipe ability, then it lasts for the whole fight. I think Chimaera has an ability like this. If threat didn't last the whole fight, then abilities like Evasive Maneuvers and Palliate wouldn't be needed.

However, Crippling Challenge and Challenging Strikes DO have a timer on them, and need to be refreshed periodically throughout fights.

reddestshirt · October 2012

An addition to what Ajanus said;

Crippling Challenge has a side effect that completely bypasses threat level to force an enemy to attack you, but that effect has a duration of 4 seconds and an internal cooldown of 10 seconds (not modified by intelligence and such).

Basically a tank arriving late can have the enemy on them nearly half the time until they get their threat up above the others.

Check out this threat for lots of information on the actual maths behind threat:
Guide to Threat Management and Aggro Control

williamkony · October 2012

Yeah, I've gone through that thread, Reddest.

Thanks for the link, anyway, though!

Palliate is exactly why I'm asking this question. I'm considering putting it on a Support character to use on damage dealers so that they don't take threat away from the tank. But if threat falls off after a certain time anyway, then it wouldn't be very useful to take the threat off of a damage dealer just once every two minutes.

mijjestic · October 2012

I believe threat is a virtual damage, i.e. stays barring being wiped somehow. Like death.

And yeah, Palliate could be useful for those who don't have their own means of wiping. I use it for my DPS. I also happen to have INT+tons of cooldown gear and have the cooldown at 50 seconds or so, btw.

williamkony · October 2012

mijjestic wrote: »

I believe threat is a virtual damage, i.e. stays barring being wiped somehow. Like death.

And yeah, Palliate could be useful for those who don't have their own means of wiping. I use it for my DPS. I also happen to have INT+tons of cooldown gear and have the cooldown at 50 seconds or so, btw.

How much use do you get out of it? After further consideration, I'm wondering if it'd work well on my Trinity character, as well. I'd have to give up Rank 3 Ascension to use it, unfortunately, but being able to wipe my own threat or the threat of another damage dealer seems pretty handy. It'd have a 1-minute cooldown in damage mode, and 1-minute-20-second cooldown in tank and support modes.

mijjestic · October 2012

williamkony wrote: »

How much use do you get out of it? After further consideration, I'm wondering if it'd work well on my Trinity character, as well. I'd have to give up Rank 3 Ascension to use it, unfortunately, but being able to wipe my own threat or the threat of another damage dealer seems pretty handy. It'd have a 1-minute cooldown in damage mode, and 1-minute-20-second cooldown in tank and support modes.

Tons and tons of use in teams, like in Alerts, where I steal threat constantly. I've needed it, and I've used it multiple times in a battle, but usually there is someone who can keep the threat off. In Gravitar, it also helps as an occasional heal (with CON the % gives a bit more, and it can crit), not to mention just using it consistently to make sure threat stays far, far away lest I catch Gravy's eye and get smeared.

Plus, you can troll the tank by wiping their threat!

(j/k

I never use it on others honestly)

Threat duration?

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