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Is Imbue + Conviction + next Hit 100% critical bug or kind of spec?

monaahirumonaahiru Posts: 3,073 Arc User
edited September 2012 in The Hero Games
As Conviction is the only "for-self-heal" power that has critical chance, yes "Imbue + Conviction + next Hit 100% critical" combo is OP, but I'm starting to feel this, isn't a bug, but a kind of hidden specification supposed by Devs. (Like Telekinetic Lance critical hit is undodgeable.)
Why I feel this? Conviction without critical chance is not so good as BCR.
I'm getting confused. Should we permit this combo as specs or not? How do you think?


All other "for-self-heal" powers list.

Reconstruction Circuits
Bountiful Chi Resurgence
Bionic Shielding
Holdout Shot ADV Stim Pack
Resurgence
Enrage ADV Endorphin Rush
Regeneration


BTW, does Lifedrain and Devour Essence self heal critical? I'm not sure about those.
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  • cptmillenniumcptmillennium Posts: 451 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    It's a bug. Conviction, or any other self heal, should consume Imbue but currently doesn't.

    Conviction is still a better choice for a lot of builds. BCR is great if you're a heavy dodge build, but it comes with a damage penalty. Conviction has no damage penalty and recharges really quickly, which is nice if you use MSA as an energy unlock.
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  • monaahirumonaahiru Posts: 3,073 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    cptmillennium wrote: »
    It's a bug. Conviction, or any other self heal, should consume Imbue but currently doesn't.

    Conviction is still a better choice for a lot of builds. BCR is great if you're a heavy dodge build, but it comes with a damage penalty. Conviction has no damage penalty and recharges really quickly, which is nice if you use MSA as an energy unlock.

    Ah, yes. BCR is nice only with ADV + Dodge. And also low cost.
  • lady808lady808 Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    One of the popular combos right now is... Imbue, shield, shield, Conviction, Bionic Shielding, shield shield, jet straffing thingy, and close with alpha strike (usually ER, SL, or FC). All this while not consuming Imbue and everything that can crit, critting.
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  • oobtreeoobtree Posts: 1,068 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    lady808 wrote: »
    One of the popular combos right now is... Imbue, shield, shield, Conviction, Bionic Shielding, shield shield, jet straffing thingy, and close with alpha strike (usually ER, SL, or FC). All this while not consuming Imbue and everything that can crit, critting.

    Hence my posting over on PTS - General, For the love of ("God")... FIX IMBUE PLEASE
  • xeirosxeiros Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Yes both Lifedrain and Devour Essence can critically heal. Reconstruction Circuits, Regeneration, Bountiful Chi Resurgence, and Bionic Shielding cannot. I'm unsure about Stim Pack and Endorphin Rush.
  • mainscrizzmainscrizz Posts: 302 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    monaahiru wrote: »
    As Conviction is the only "for-self-heal" power that has critical chance, yes "Imbue + Conviction + next Hit 100% critical" combo is OP, but I'm starting to feel this, isn't a bug, but a kind of hidden specification supposed by Devs. (Like Telekinetic Lance critical hit is undodgeable.)
    Why I feel this? Conviction without critical chance is not so good as BCR.
    I'm getting confused. Should we permit this combo as specs or not? How do you think?


    .

    the critical heal isn't the problem.
    The problem is that Imbue isn't getting consumed when used with conviction or some other powers.
    It is a bug.
    Imbue is an "on-next-hit" power, meaning that any power should crit once and consume the imbue.
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  • promnightpromnight Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Conviction with "This power cannot crit." and fix the problem.

    Wow, i'm very very smart, hah, i love me!
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  • ayonachanayonachan Posts: 557 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Imbue not being consumed by 'self'-heals(As well as any attack that the player does not 'touch') has been within the game since it was first released and I seriously doubt that they will change it before they fix selfless ally...

    Maybe in a celestial review...But even that is too much to hope for..

    Oh...and you should see what people can do with retaliation buff....Oh wait maybe I shouldn't say that out loud...
  • blademaster5121blademaster5121 Posts: 956 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    promnight wrote: »
    Conviction with "This power cannot crit." and fix the problem.

    Wow, i'm very very smart, hah, i love me!

    No, never, stop acting like Cryptic.
  • monaahirumonaahiru Posts: 3,073 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    blademaster5121 wrote: »
    No, never, stop acting like Cryptic.

    lol



    Ah wait, Becca's idea sound not so bad cause, self-heal scales CON by Imbue + Conviction or simply DEX critical now, but PRE should take the Heal amount scale part actually.

    Well, PRE mods are sold so cheap in AH now and it makes Healer me very happy tho. xD
  • promnightpromnight Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    blademaster5121 wrote: »
    No, never, stop acting like Cryptic.
    Cryptic fix things using other way? I think not.

    ;/ ;/ ;/
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  • secksegaisecksegai Posts: 1,354 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    ayonachan wrote: »
    Imbue not being consumed by 'self'-heals(As well as any attack that the player does not 'touch') has been within the game since it was first released and I seriously doubt that they will change it before they fix selfless ally...

    Maybe in a celestial review...But even that is too much to hope for..

    Oh...and you should see what people can do with retaliation buff....Oh wait maybe I shouldn't say that out loud...

    Retaliation requires blocking, something very unreliable in our little pvp dynamic.
  • gammabreakergammabreaker Posts: 245 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Doesn't matter, Imbue's being changed.
  • secksegaisecksegai Posts: 1,354 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    gammabreaker wrote: »
    Doesn't matter, Imbue's being changed.

    I fear it being ruined when all it needs is a fix. Kinda like CO in its current state. Instead of fixing existing issues, new patches add new things and break old things or simply fail to fix what they're supposed to.
  • keikomystkeikomyst Posts: 626 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    If Imbue nerfs another thing, I'm going to scream.

    If Imbue gets nerfed, I'm going to do a happy dance.
  • gammabreakergammabreaker Posts: 245 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Current plan by Crush is to make it its own Active Offense that grants a potentially scaling amount of +Crit Chance/Severity. Bonus scales inversely with health remaining. At least that's what I heard a few days ago. He may have changed his intentions since then.
  • warcanchwarcanch Posts: 1,134 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    WHATEVER they do to Imbue, I hope it remains an ONH and doesn't get turned into an AO.

    Primarily because we have many AOs and very few ONHs. And, currently, several of the AOs already deal w/ Crit chance and/or Crit severity.
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  • mainscrizzmainscrizz Posts: 302 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    gammabreaker wrote: »
    Current plan by Crush is to make it its own Active Offense that grants a potentially scaling amount of +Crit Chance/Severity. Bonus scales inversely with health remaining. At least that's what I heard a few days ago. He may have changed his intentions since then.

    so a new power......
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  • mainscrizzmainscrizz Posts: 302 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    warcanch wrote: »
    WHATEVER they do to Imbue, I hope it remains an ONH and doesn't get turned into an AO.

    Primarily because we have many AOs and very few ONHs. And, currently, several of the AOs already deal w/ Crit chance and/or Crit severity.

    THIS too!!
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  • nesn00000nesn00000 Posts: 151 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    warcanch wrote: »
    WHATEVER they do to Imbue, I hope it remains an ONH and doesn't get turned into an AO.

    Primarily because we have many AOs and very few ONHs. And, currently, several of the AOs already deal w/ Crit chance and/or Crit severity.

    It does not matter, imbues days were number the moment Crush took the action.

    R.I.P Imbue.


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  • fantasycharacterfantasycharacter Posts: 458 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    gammabreaker wrote: »
    Current plan by Crush is to make it its own Active Offense that grants a potentially scaling amount of +Crit Chance/Severity. Bonus scales inversely with health remaining. At least that's what I heard a few days ago. He may have changed his intentions since then.

    That is dissapointing.
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