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Let me tell you why you should hire COH Dev's.
oneheadedboy
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Preface:
City of Heroes went free to play. I not only continued my subscription every month... All of my friends did the same. Myself and all of my COH friends also spent extra money, even though we got free Paragon Store points, on a regular basis. I was spending $20-60 a month, personally, on the COH store, on top of my sub fee. And a lot of my friends were doing the same. The funny part is that it was mostly spent on trivial conveniences, and at the root of the issue, we just loved our game and wanted to contribute to it.
Suggestion:
Having read all of that, you should know that COH players are not only fiercely loyal to and fond of our Dev's... We are also willing to spend money on things that we like in order to keep them around. If you hire COH Dev's to work on Champions, COH players WILL come. And we'll come with wallets.
I see prominent forum posters and presumably what passes as very dedicated players here in Champions talking about... Doing free survey's to get free Cryptic Points. I see spam ads popping up on your board in multiple threads at a time. The COH Dev team and community team would never let things like that happen, and prominent members of the COH community would never do anything but just hand our devs money when we wanted something.
If you, Cryptic, invest in our Dev's, I guarantee you that you will see a dramatic amount of incoming business, just on principle.
Also, our dev's are freaking incredible. Arbiter Hawk balanced and rebalanced AT's and powersets that existed since launch of COH and COV, and did so perfectly, getting under performing characters to perform at optimal levels. Synapse pumped new sets out that gelled perfectly and felt powerful to play. Our art team made an 8 year old game look like it came out 6 months ago in many cases.
Our dev team was ambitious, friendly, and open. Based on the feedback I've read on the Champions forum by current players, you guys seem to have an issue with open, direct and comfortably proactive communication with your players. Our dev's would fix that. In fact, our dev's are still PMing players on our forums... Out of their own time. After they've been laid off. Because that's the kind of people that COH hired.
Alright, Cryptic. Your community has already stepped up. I've been touched by the community outreach to include us in your game. I plan to buy 3 months of subscription time to your game based solely on your great community, your community Manager stickying a thread in your general discussion, and Back Alley Brawler going out of his way to post on our forums.
I will also be spending twice my subscription fee or more every month that I play your game on your in game market. Because I feel that your game and its community has been most supportive of us.
I think that Champions would benefit from incentivizing more players like me to come here.
This is just the first step for me.
I expect your game to grow because of an injection of the COH community, and the only reliable way for that to happen on a large enough scale is for you to hire our dev's.
So please, Cryptic, hire our dev's.
City of Heroes went free to play. I not only continued my subscription every month... All of my friends did the same. Myself and all of my COH friends also spent extra money, even though we got free Paragon Store points, on a regular basis. I was spending $20-60 a month, personally, on the COH store, on top of my sub fee. And a lot of my friends were doing the same. The funny part is that it was mostly spent on trivial conveniences, and at the root of the issue, we just loved our game and wanted to contribute to it.
Suggestion:
Having read all of that, you should know that COH players are not only fiercely loyal to and fond of our Dev's... We are also willing to spend money on things that we like in order to keep them around. If you hire COH Dev's to work on Champions, COH players WILL come. And we'll come with wallets.
I see prominent forum posters and presumably what passes as very dedicated players here in Champions talking about... Doing free survey's to get free Cryptic Points. I see spam ads popping up on your board in multiple threads at a time. The COH Dev team and community team would never let things like that happen, and prominent members of the COH community would never do anything but just hand our devs money when we wanted something.
If you, Cryptic, invest in our Dev's, I guarantee you that you will see a dramatic amount of incoming business, just on principle.
Also, our dev's are freaking incredible. Arbiter Hawk balanced and rebalanced AT's and powersets that existed since launch of COH and COV, and did so perfectly, getting under performing characters to perform at optimal levels. Synapse pumped new sets out that gelled perfectly and felt powerful to play. Our art team made an 8 year old game look like it came out 6 months ago in many cases.
Our dev team was ambitious, friendly, and open. Based on the feedback I've read on the Champions forum by current players, you guys seem to have an issue with open, direct and comfortably proactive communication with your players. Our dev's would fix that. In fact, our dev's are still PMing players on our forums... Out of their own time. After they've been laid off. Because that's the kind of people that COH hired.
Alright, Cryptic. Your community has already stepped up. I've been touched by the community outreach to include us in your game. I plan to buy 3 months of subscription time to your game based solely on your great community, your community Manager stickying a thread in your general discussion, and Back Alley Brawler going out of his way to post on our forums.
I will also be spending twice my subscription fee or more every month that I play your game on your in game market. Because I feel that your game and its community has been most supportive of us.
I think that Champions would benefit from incentivizing more players like me to come here.
This is just the first step for me.
I expect your game to grow because of an injection of the COH community, and the only reliable way for that to happen on a large enough scale is for you to hire our dev's.
So please, Cryptic, hire our dev's.
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This wasn't meant as a slight to Cryptic dev's. This was meant as a way to communicate how important our dev's are to us, and how much better off CO would be after hiring them. There is a very rare chance here for your game to grow exponentially, and I'm thrilled to see that the CO community at large seems to be embracing it.
pretty much this
Well they need to be dragged back over here and come and brainstorm with the remaining devs:biggrin:
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Without sounding too critical, since I don't know your exact situation here...
Paragon had quite a bit of its senior Dev staff working on a new IP. Paragon was also proactively hiring new dev's and working on this *separate*project, much reminiscent of your NWO IP for all feasible purposes- in consideration to said Paragon project, for at least the last year. We still don't know exactly what the project was, but its progress and existence was conveyed to us often.
While this was all happening though, dialogue between the dev/community teams and the community itself NEVER stopped, or even felt an impact. If anything, we've seen MORE communication since they announced to us that they began work on their new IP. They disclosed that certain senior dev's were moved to the new IP after the hybrid model launched months ago, in fact... And if anything, we saw an *increase* in dev communication after that point.
Now, I know the easy answer here for you guys is, "Well COH failed and CO didn't, sooo..."
Which is a fair "touche," for argument's sake.
But it's not the point!
The point is that our two communities should be working together in YOUR game, which you have welcomed us to, in order to create a better Champions for everyone, and a home for some awesome dev's, which would, as a Champions player, bring more revenue into YOUR game and justify allocating more resources into improving upon your much beloved world- Which I assure you is something that our dev's are very well suited to work with your dev's in doing.
Everyone wins.
This also begs the question, have any of em even contacted PWE and asked about this? For all we know, the team might be feeling burnt and not *want* to work on another free to play mmo. That's not to mention the fact that they'd have to learn an entirely new engine which is miles apart from what they're used to, and they're working with all new lore that's based on an existing ip. In CoX, they had the advantage of being able to just make up some ****. Personally, as an ex CoX player? I'd rather see em go develop a new ip.
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If they feel they're already making all the money they think they can, the status quo will remain even after Neverwinter launches. That's just how companies roll.
Wait? Whaaaa..?
Unless they work for free this is just a liability.
As much as I hate to say it, I agree with this.
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Except Cryptic is hiring, and since we can't see how the revenue books work or how much Cryptic is getting from ad revenue, I wouldn't presume to speculate exactly what Cryptic can and can't do.
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That sort of clause may be unenforceable in California (many such are).
Fortunately (?), even if it were enforceable, Paragon will not have a product that competes with CO making the clause irrelevant.
If the company they work for ceases to exist (even if its parent company does not) then that company will be hard pressed to argue for any enforcement of a non-competition clause.
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So you'd rather waste time and money training people from the ground up to use the Cryptic Engine rather than hiring people who are familiar with the original Cryptic Engine and (probably) won't need as much training because you don't like how some things were done in CoX?
Some? I left CoX because none of the devs listened to the people ranting about the massive nerfs they put through, and not nerfing the baddies. City of Heroes became City of Zeroes in a matter of months. No roleplaying quality, no good teams, etc. And let's not forget the DIY mission maker they tried... Frankly, I'd rather have a dev that can be trained and will listen (and PW has a good set of devs) than an experienced one that has a "my way or the highway" ideology.
I like this game, and it only needs some bugs fixed right now, no massive overhaul and nerf. If a dev can do only that, good. Otherwise, forget them.
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There aren't enough people atm to give the game what it's fans feel it deserves.
Sigh if only we could multiply the current number of subscribers by 50 then we could get a bigger budget and have more guys to do more content but we need more devs to do more content so we can get more subscribers so that.....
Hmmm taking a confusion break here.
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Cryptic has hired people from Paragon Studios and 38 Studios.
so cryptic can afford to hire them and they did.
Smart move Cryptic
If the comments about STO vs CO profitability are accurate it does seem odd that STO is the one who has hired Paragon devs, not CO.
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but since cryptic bought the license from hero games they have no license fees on this game.
hero actually leases the content they created from cryptic. $1 a year i hear.
i plan on buting a pw stock myself as soon as i find a way to only buy 1.