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steamshinobi
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Alright before the patches came out i was playing champions a lot but i realized if you stay logged off for 180+ days stuff is different. So i need help making an unkillable tank mine is lvl 40 but he is not good. I dont understand good trees or powers im mainly pet master and stuff
So if you guys can help create the ultimate tank that is hard to kill and can self heal easy that would be amazing thanks for help
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So if you guys can help create the ultimate tank that is hard to kill and can self heal easy that would be amazing thanks for help
. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]~The Hive man
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Standard template for a self-bubbling invuldodge tank. Gear up your dex and con, and take enough pre? You're pretty well unstoppable on most content. I have a similar build that pulled the entire 5 man hard power house. My health *didn't move*. Gravitar will still chew on your face, though, because the choice you have is either take defiance and boss kill, or do invuldodge (like above) and faceroll just about every drop of content the game has to offer, but worry a bit about some bosses. Personally, I'm on the invulnerability side of things, because it's more general-purpose. I'm sure a defiance guru can probably explain how to build that better than I could.
RIP Caine
Name:
Archetype: Freeform
Super Stats:
Level 6: Endurance (Primary)
Level 10: Presence (Secondary)
Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)
Talents:
Level 1: The Invincible
Level 6: Healthy Mind
Level 9: Boundless Reserves
Level 12: Shrug It Off
Level 15: Survival Training
Level 18: Paramilitary Training
Level 21: Diplomatic
Powers:
Level 1: Infernal Bolts
Level 1: Devour Essence (Rank 2, Crippling Challenge)
Level 6: Regeneration (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Supernatural Power
Level 11: Epidemic (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 14: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 17: Compassion
Level 20: Force Shield (Force Sheathe)
Level 23: Ego Sprites (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenging Strikes)
Level 26: Summon Shadows (Rank 2, Devouring Darkness)
Level 29: Howl
Level 32: Electric Sheath (Matter ? Energy Union)
Level 35: Rebirth (Grave Consequences)
Level 38: Miniaturization Drive
Travel Powers:
Level 6:
Level 35:
Specializations:
Endurance: Readiness (3/3)
Endurance: Gear Utilization (3/3)
Endurance: Quick Recovery (2/2)
Endurance: Hardened (2/2)
Protector: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Protector: Bulwark (2/2)
Protector: Debilitating Challenge (2/2)
Protector: Exhausting Strikes (2/2)
Protector: Defensive Expertise (1/3)
Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Warden: Elusive (2/2)
Warden: Reactive Strikes (2/2)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Mastery: Endurance Mastery (1/1)
This is a self-healing tank build. Devour Essence is your main Crippling Challenge attack to gain Threat and heal yourself. Regen offers constant healing but if you can get 3 parts of Armadillo gear from the Q-store that will increase your damage resistance. Supernatural Power is a great energy unlock for Devour Essence and Epidemic. With Pre as a SS and Compassion as your Form, your self-healing should be really nice. I actually have a similar build on a tank.
Ego Sprites is your aoe with Challenging Strikes to attract crowds. It does damage over time so it's like a "fire and forget" weapon. Summon Shadows has advantage to heal you for some damage they do, another great "fire/forget".
Epidemic pairs well with Supernatural Power and is good for finishing a room of small enemies.
Howl applies Fear to enemies and grants 1 stack of Enrage. Miniaturization Drive lowers the amount of damage the opponent does which can be useful for a tank. I just "discovered" MD and have never tried using it as a tank but it could be a good thing.
Rebirth is your self-rez. Resurgence is the emergency self-heal.
When I play a build similar to this, I like to stack Ego Sprites, Summon Shadows, and go crazy with Devour Essence. If I start to take too much damage, I block with Force Sheath, Resurgence, Summon Shadows again, apply Miniature Drive, restack Ego Sprites and Devour Essence again. Remember to reapply the Force Sheath every 8 or 9 seconds as this makes some defense and energy return from Force Shield stick around.
I have tanked Gravitar on that similar build. The Armadillo gear is really helpful.
Challupa has a good point. Some Dodge would help out too as that reduces damage taken.
Basic design is utilizing int spec for the eb cd as well as heavy cd redux to allow for nearly permanent masterful dodge on top of invul.
EB?CD? REDUX
Any idea were i can find this build btw
Do you know were i can find this build?
It is pretty much unkillable, but I don't think it is a tank.
Healtank build needs more cheese
To translate the CO shorthand, it uses the energy builder cooldown function from the int tree to bring back masterful dodge faster, and stacks cooldown reduction. I kinda fiddled a bit, and came up with what I think the gist of that idea is. I've never seen the build they're referring to, but this should act pretty similarly. Just stack int a fair amount and pick up cooldown/cost reduction gear. You should pretty much never be at a loss for a defensive clicky. I put in a backup, just in case, for a panic situation.
I run an offensive version of this that's already pretty sturdy, although I stacked end instead for more damage. I also borrowed a lot from my invuldodge build I mentioned earlier, in terms of perks and ways to get your defensives back up faster. All I can say is that this is a very strange love child of 2 of my favorite characters. O_o
PowerHouse (Link to this build)
Name:
Archetype: Freeform
Super Stats:
Level 6: Intelligence (Primary)
Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
Level 15: Dexterity (Secondary)
Talents:
Level 1: The Hero
Level 6: Coordinated
Level 9: Acrobat
Level 12: Healthy Mind
Level 15: Finesse
Level 18: Shrug It Off
Level 21: Diplomatic
Powers:
Level 1: Wrist Bolter (Automated Assault, Accelerated Metabolism)
Level 1: Mini Gun (U-238 Rounds, Challenging Strikes)
Level 6: Invulnerability (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Micro Munitions (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Overdrive
Level 14: Masterful Dodge (Rank 2)
Level 17: Bountiful Chi Resurgence (Rank 2, Resurgent Reiki)
Level 20: Bionic Shielding (Rank 2)
Level 23: Concentration
Level 26: Energy Shield (Phalanx Defense System)
Level 29: Unbreakable (Rank 2)
Level 32: Evasive Maneuvers (Rank 2)
Level 35: Ricochet Throw (Rank 2, Crippling Challenge)
Level 38: Ego Surge (Nimble Mind)
Travel Powers:
Level 6: Athletics
Level 35: Jet Boots (Rank 2)
Specializations:
Intelligence: Enlightened (3/3)
Intelligence: Tactician (2/2)
Intelligence: Revitalize (3/3)
Intelligence: Expertise (2/2)
Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
Protector: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Protector: Bulwark (2/2)
Protector: Exhausting Strikes (2/2)
Protector: Defensive Expertise (3/3)
Mastery: Protector Mastery (1/1)
Did my best to try to match the spirit of that idea. your energy builder is always firing, and therefore always debuffing the enemy and making your powers cool down faster. your powers also generally cool down 21% faster, and if you get under 30% hp, your defensive cooldowns instantly refresh. As for the nuts and bolts, this thing's probably gonna have stupid-high offense/defense, and it's designed to put out stable dps while still drawing lots of threat in an AOE. I dunno if you caught this, but boomerangs apply crippling challenge in an aoe if you charge em. The fact that you can also tap em to pull individual enemies pretty much make that the best pull power in the game, imo.
I also tried to crit stack as much as I could manage, your ranged attacks stack a buff that increases your crit chance. You fire a hell of a lot of em, over a big aoe, guaranteeing pretty reliable criticals. Ego surge will help with that. I also did my best to try to leave you as many options to regain energy as possible. building concentration stacks + accelerated metabolism on wrist bolter + overdrive firing off left and right? Should give you more than enough energy. As well? You debuff. A lot. Resistances to your attacks from mini-gun, and damage they put out from your energy builder. Your primary attack mode is the mini and the micro-muni, so you're always gonna be hammering the enemy with debuffs while you're bringing back your masterful dodge. Also, when you're waiting for masterful to come back? Tap evasive maneuvers, it'll help mitigate some more damage. That's gonna be your baby-dodge builder. If that feels too fiddly, feel free to swap it out for reconstruction circuits. More heals, ftw.
... Now I want to play this. It's one of the more unkillable characters I could possibly imagine.
RIP Caine
EB=Energy Builder
CD=Cool Down
REDUX= Reduction
Hope this helps.
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The first level is stacking hp. Now, Don't go overboard on this but also don't cut corners! 7k is what you want to shoot for and 11k hp is where you don't have to worry about anything anymore.
The second level is stacking mitigation. This can be accomplished by any defense passive..but Invulnerability tends to shine in this department but Lightning Reflexes is a great pick-up-and-go at any level passive..Also, you need active defenses..at least 2 for heavy tanking but all you really need is masterful dodge.
The third level is stacking even more mitigation/self-healing! Now, there isn't a good way to do this. Depending on the passive you choose you would want to start looking at the spec tree and your gear choices to help boost your mitigation further. Prime examples of great self-heals are Bountiful Chi Resurgence(with Resurgent Reiki), Conviction, Devour Essence w/ Supernatural Power, Self-less ally with a pet/buddy and any healing power
The fourth level is abusing bugs to your advantage as well as spamming spam-able powers and doing things that people frown upon during the light of day(but the same people would do the same when the witch-hunt is looking the other way)
If pvp is what your looking at..........then keep looking at it...Advice, build suggestions, and even full gear and the exact build of someone else will NEVER help you be unkillable in pvp...(Players are unpredictable...well...They want you dead...but how they kill you is a different matter..)
Being 'Unkillable' in pvp is like a blind, mute, deaf, quadriplegic winning a coin-toss...but at least they aren't retarded...right..?
Anyway the build below is a pvp-type build that I thought up and made in like 5 mins...never pvp'd so I don't know what it is like....but i do know that I can have 120 second holds....
PowerHouse (Link to this build)
Name:
Archetype: Freeform
Super Stats:
Level 6: Intelligence (Primary)
Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
Level 15: Presence (Secondary)
Talents:
Level 1:
Level 6:
Level 9:
Level 12:
Level 15:
Level 18:
Level 21:
Powers:
Level 1: Radiance
Level 1: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 6: Imbue (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Aura of Primal Majesty (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Manipulator
Level 14: Molecular Self-Assembly
Level 17: Resurgence (Rank 2, Evanescent Emergence)
Level 20: Masterful Dodge
Level 23: Bolas (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 26: Ego Sleep (Rank 2)
Level 29: Mighty Leap (Crippling Challenge, Nailed to the Ground)
Level 32: Dragon's Claws (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Smoke Bomb
Level 38: Smoke Grenade (Escape Artist)
Travel Powers:
Level 6: Acrobatics (Rank 2, Versatility)
Level 35: Teleportation
Specializations:
Intelligence: Enlightened (2/3)
Intelligence: Battle of Wits (3/3)
Intelligence: Revitalize (1/3)
Intelligence: Detect Vulnerability (3/3)
Intelligence: Expertise (1/2)
Protector: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Protector: Unrelenting (1/2)
Protector: Bulwark (2/2)
Protector: Defensive Expertise (3/3)
Protector: Resolute (1/3)
Sentry: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Sentry: Twist Fate (2/2)
Sentry: Sentry Aura (3/3)
Sentry: Reinforce (2/2)
Mastery: Protector Mastery (1/1)
Make sure you abuse exploits...that is what makes you unkillable in pvp!...
I need to wash myself now...I feel so dirty after making this...
Edit: As always, FORGIVE ME GAIA FOR MAKING THE BUILD ABOVE!!
(Edit2:Oh...and a funny thing is that you get more int with quarry than you do with AoPM)
No need for forgiveness. There's a reason we don't setup quite that way
Funny thing is...Radiance doesn't proc twist fate but it can proc exhausting strikes(ON YOURSELF!) as well as has a very likely chance to proc many other beneficial things and many debuffs.....You need a fully charged Bolas to gain a form stack(but just pretty much mis-tap ego sleep and you get a stack...) You can stack bolas and ego sleep on top of each other in order to perma-hold a mob(two 120 second holds.....ew...)
Oh! And automated assault procs twist fate but not exhausting strikes.....and when paired with end as your primary SS...you won't ever need an energy unlock nor any recovery whatsoever..
lol thanks
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Are we trolling or is this a real thread?
No its a real thread trying to find an non killable tank build or hard to kill build. Im just like "Omagerdness" Because there are no invulnerability and con tank builds people only use the intelligence and energy builder with reduced cool down. So im looking for old school tanking Invul or Defiance the others are great but i dont know i just want old school
What are you talkin about - they're still based on invul/defiance. The only difference is that they have MD on super low cd thanks to cd redux and int spec tree.
The old system had a different dodge system, and a bcr/rr without an internal cd. It doesn't work the same way so people found ways around it.
The int spec tree option (if you bother to go that route) basically just allows for short gaps between md. You don't have to use it, if I made a tank I wouldn't.
Invul or defiance is still the backbone of your typical tank build now.
Its safe to say, that you might of worn out all potential good will.
What do you mean?
Actually I think there is a misunderstanding here. You were replying to someone asking about whether this is a trolling thread. However you also commented that there is no real tanking using invul or defiance but rather energy builder with reduced cooldowns which provoked Seck's response that they are still invul/defiance but stacked with dodge to give even better tanking. The basic defensive passive is still invul or defiance although invul is currently outshining defiance imho except for the energy return bit.
Seck was giving you advice which you were asking for but you kind of snubbed him which is why sockmunkey said the good will is wearing thin. If you want to know more about the build which Seck mentioned, come find me in-game. I do not mind sharing but I don't post entire builds on forum.
Oh sorry german is my first language
Name:
Archetype: Freeform
Super Stats:
Level 6: Constitution (Primary)
Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
Level 15: Recovery (Secondary)
Talents:
Level 1:
Level 6: Acrobat
Level 9: Quick Recovery
Level 12: Impresario
Level 15: Survival Training
Level 18: Covert Ops Training
Level 21: Paramilitary Training
Powers:
Level 1: Infernal Bolts
Level 1: Devour Essence (Rank 2, Crippling Challenge)
Level 6: Venomous Breath (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenging Strikes)
Level 8: Invulnerability (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Supernatural Power
Level 14: Masterful Dodge (Rank 2)
Level 17: Form of the Tempest
Level 20: Summon Shadows (Rank 2, Devouring Darkness)
Level 23: Orbital Cannon (Rank 2, Anvil of Dawn)
Level 26: Rebirth
Level 29: Defile
Level 32: Electric Sheath (Matter ? Energy Union)
Level 35: Bountiful Chi Resurgence (Rank 2, Resurgent Reiki)
Level 38: Circle of Primal Dominion
Travel Powers:
Level 6:
Level 35:
Specializations:
Constitution: Unyielding (1/2)
Constitution: Fuel My Fire (3/3)
Constitution: Resilient (1/2)
Constitution: Deflection (3/3)
Constitution: Adrenaline Rush (2/2)
Protector: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Protector: Bulwark (2/2)
Protector: Debilitating Challenge (2/2)
Protector: Exhausting Strikes (2/2)
Protector: Defensive Expertise (1/3)
Warden: Fortified Gear (1/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Elusive (2/2)
Warden: Tenacious (2/2)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Mastery: Constitution Mastery (1/1)
Con, Invun, some Dodge, and decent damage.
Yeah just take invulnerability and get dodge/avoid gear... keep healing yourself and you'll be fine. Also, if you have at least 12,000 health points, gravy won't kill you in one hit, unless you stay in that yellow thing.
Didn't try to offend anyone, it's just the way you write made me think that you actually trolling. Not language, but the way you use it. For example, it really does looks "trollish" when you post 2 posts 1 after another instead of writing all you want to write in 1 post. Especially if in both posts you have just 1 sentence. Allso, starting every single word in a sentence with a capital letter is more then just "trollish".
No offence, but the way you express your question makes me think that you do trolling.
Its fine my grammar sucks because German is my first language so i don't expect people to be all he means the best intent. Really no sarcasm. The one post after another is because i am new to forums im not used to them so i don't know how to do things and if the person im trying to speak to will see my response i think if i reply to only there comment they will get a notification or somthing
My german isn't good, actually, the only word in german that I remember is shaisse(we had a great german teacher in school). But still, as I remember there are punctuation marks in german and they don't differ to much from english. Also, you don't need to have good grammar to use punctuation and that's what I am talking about. Not grammar, punctuation. You just don't use "," at all. I have no problems to understand what you mean from your words, but because you don't seperate different parts of sentences from each other with "," it makes understanding much harder.
And I'd understand it if you were Chinese or Japanese, as I know they just don't have punctuation marks at all... or I am wrong maybe, not sure.
You didn't get it, once again. I am not telling you to "go and learn english". Not at all. What I am trying to tell you, is to simply use punctuation in english the same way you would use it in german. Because I don't think punctuation in those 2 languages differs that much from each other.
Most people won't step up and offer you their prized builds. They aren't what you'll find in this thread so far and probably won't be anything anyone would offer up anyway. But the bottom line is: you want to just tank. That involves keeping your team alive and the aggro on you. As long as you can survive what you're pulling, then you are a successful tank. Not everyone has to solo cosmics to be called a tank.
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