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koendians
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Greetings,
I am yet another refugee from CoH, and while I'm among those fighting to save CoH, I'm also realistic enough to recognize that saving it is a long shot. So, I decided to check out what others have called 'competition' - I wonder if such a term is truly applicable, since from what I've read the people who made CO and the people who made CoH include some common names.
I've now given CO a short whirl, and I suspect myself and my best friend will be joining the community shortly. From what I've seen, as far as most of the features are concerned, CO and CoH appear to be largely equivalent; it's difficult to say for certain which one is better and which is worse (CoH certainly seems more developed, with more factions, but that may be that I'm not yet acquainted enough with what CO has to offer. CO certainly has the same kinds of factions as CoH has, again hardly surprising given who made it).
Except for one feature, one, all-important feature. CoH has a feature called the Mission Architect, which gives players the ability to make their own missions, tell their own stories. This adds an infinity to the replay value and the fun value of CoH that CO simply lacks. Because of this, I regard CoH as automatically superior to any other super-hero-themed MMO, even if the other is better in all other respects - which honestly CO may be.
The solution exists: while CoH has Architect, some of Perfect World's MMOs, among them Neverwinter Online and Star Trek Online, have the Foundry. Given the trends, I don't doubt that adding a Foundry to CO is on your to-do list, but I would like to make it higher on the to-do list than lower, because in all likelihood the day will soon come when we will so very desperately need it.
The slogan of those still fighting to save CoH is "We're Heroes. It's what we do." We're going to try. With a miracle, we may even succeed. But if it turns out that we can't save Paragon City, give us what we need to do the next best thing. Give us the tools we need to build a new Paragon, here, in Millennium.
I am yet another refugee from CoH, and while I'm among those fighting to save CoH, I'm also realistic enough to recognize that saving it is a long shot. So, I decided to check out what others have called 'competition' - I wonder if such a term is truly applicable, since from what I've read the people who made CO and the people who made CoH include some common names.
I've now given CO a short whirl, and I suspect myself and my best friend will be joining the community shortly. From what I've seen, as far as most of the features are concerned, CO and CoH appear to be largely equivalent; it's difficult to say for certain which one is better and which is worse (CoH certainly seems more developed, with more factions, but that may be that I'm not yet acquainted enough with what CO has to offer. CO certainly has the same kinds of factions as CoH has, again hardly surprising given who made it).
Except for one feature, one, all-important feature. CoH has a feature called the Mission Architect, which gives players the ability to make their own missions, tell their own stories. This adds an infinity to the replay value and the fun value of CoH that CO simply lacks. Because of this, I regard CoH as automatically superior to any other super-hero-themed MMO, even if the other is better in all other respects - which honestly CO may be.
The solution exists: while CoH has Architect, some of Perfect World's MMOs, among them Neverwinter Online and Star Trek Online, have the Foundry. Given the trends, I don't doubt that adding a Foundry to CO is on your to-do list, but I would like to make it higher on the to-do list than lower, because in all likelihood the day will soon come when we will so very desperately need it.
The slogan of those still fighting to save CoH is "We're Heroes. It's what we do." We're going to try. With a miracle, we may even succeed. But if it turns out that we can't save Paragon City, give us what we need to do the next best thing. Give us the tools we need to build a new Paragon, here, in Millennium.
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This makes some sense. Champs has tons more assets and customization than STO, including big, traditional MMO-style zones (unlike STO's heavy instancing) and other considerations. There's simply a lot to manage and that's not even including of things covered by microtransactions, esp. costume pieces, freeforms and archetypes. It would be kind of sucky if player-created Foundry missions were limited by whatever the player had paid for.
That said, opening up foundry missions would provide players with another reason to pay for stuff...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pn7iU4EwTc
The community here is different. Those who remember that the foundry was offered as a possibility remained hopeful for some time. The trolls insisted that despite official dev communication regarding it's eventual inclusion into CO the foundry had never been mentioned. Welcome to CO.
Mission Architect was, what, issue #17? How long did CoH have to wait before that came out? I'll admit to being fairly new even to CoH (which, if anything, makes its probable disappearance even more saddening). I guess I should be used to waiting. Good heroes are.
Mission Architect is entirely limited to instanced missions. Just releasing another MA would be great, but if they can make it do the multiplayer zones, too, that would be fantastic!
MA is the reason why I got a VIP subscription to CoH.
Cool! I knew people like you would be here - pleased to meet you. Maybe PWI should hire you!
MA came out Issue 14, it was intended for I13 but pushed back as they felt it wasn't ready for launch in I13.
More missions/content would result in more players and more money for Perfect World. I hope they get smart and bring the Foundry to CO. It's the one reliable way to expand this game successfully.
Thanks, CoH players, and welcome.
Or just maybe its the fact that COH is 6 years old and CO is only 3? You can hardly expect CO to be as "developed" as a game twice as old. But as far as the foundry goes, I definitely support it being added.
I played CoH for many months ENTIRELY because of my love for Mission Architect and some of the amazing fun stories there (and some of my efforts!)
Though I am now convinced the key is that Foundry rewards have to be minimal or extremely limited to prevent the farming issue. Farming pretty much eviscerated Mission Architect -- most resources Paragon spent on MA ended up removing features to combat farming, rather than adding new flexibility.
I think the only productive way to have a Foundry that gives people freedom to tell really interesting stories without their missions being out of date constantly is to remove the incentive to farm.
People keep claiming that nobody would play something with no rewards, but I think legions of roleplayers and level 40 folks would disagree.
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
Completely agree. The Foundry is the answer to the lack of endgame content.
The state of the marketplace was also more forgiving about respective mission design and reuse of environments than they are currently, so it was cheaper for CoX to add zones and missions. When devs need to be more detailed and varied, it slows down development time. CoH launched with a much bigger game than CO, and added at least 5 new zones over the course of the first two years (as opposed to 1 for CO). CO had more varied environments, and the speed of travel powers made them feel considerably smaller than CoH. I would have love to have seen CO get half of CoH's pre-CoV development, but in the market that CO was produced in, it hasn't been fiscally feasible, (despite the devs' best intentions and plans).
Consider the conveniences it would afford to people who wanted control over entity positions, animations, and costumes, but don't want to mess with the finicky .demo markup language.
I will say this, however: I subscribed to VIP membership in CoH solely to use Architect. I suspect I will do something similar for CO when the foundry becomes available, and I'm willing to bet that I will not be alone in doing so.
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He probably could of been clearer, but he really was helping.
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We are not well staffed, even less so on the weekend. It could be hours, unfortunately, before this gets fixed.
With all the spamming, how confident can I be that the officials (I guess that would mean forum moderators, ideally the developers) have seen this post?
Please note to mods and devs: I am prepared to wait patiently for this feature, but I just want to make sure that it's on your minds. This is the sort of thing that I buy lifetime subscriptions for, and I doubt that I'm alone!
We really need more Nemesis stuff, so, that would kind of be the best thing to have.
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There is a precedent for this within the existing foundry mechanics. Currently when there is a dialog pop up, you choose the costume for the NPC, and one of the choices is the player's bridge officers(which are different for every player). So whoever is playing the mission sees their own bridge officer in the pop up.
While that is only a pop up box, it at least shows that the system can pull character specific costumes for each player. So hopefully something like you just mentioned would be possible.
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Refugee from Paragon City.
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I had a misison arc that was fantasy themed, with the player going through dark dungeons filled with weird animate plants, fungi, trolls, goblins, etc. and then having big battles on the surface with the minions of Koschei the undying. Lots of fun.
I was in the midst of working on a Gulliver's Travels mission arc (with those huge Shard guys as Brobdignagians and gears as Liliputians). I was also contemplating a Star Trek homage, but then the constant nerfs and lack of support finally got to me.
That's what makes me really eager to have Foundry on a superhero game, the sheer range of options -- fantasy, scifi, murder mysteries, anything!
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
Too bad the game engine is more limited than the human imagination. When one group of heroes arrived in London in 1215, the guy with the energy-sword drew a cross on the ground, the bow-user fired a smoke arrow into the crosspiece, and the teleporter popped the rest of the group into the smoke cloud. They got a lot of respect from the townsfolk after that.
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