Superman Clone Build need!

mjsunday · August 2012

I am trying to build a freeform Superman Clones. I haven't played the game in a while and the characters are build has changed a lot. I am looking for an effective Superman build. I am not hardcore into the numbers but I could sure use the help. So please share!

cptmillennium · August 2012

I use a build similar to this for Captain Millennium, though he's not a clone, so he doesn't have het vision or super breath. Amazing survivability and good damage (for a tank) though, and I think it'll feel pretty Supes-like.

Gear for crits, dodge/avoid and recharge/cost reduction.

PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Name:

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
Level 15: Intelligence (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Devastator
Level 6: Physical Conditioning
Level 9: Body and Mind
Level 12: Healthy Mind
Level 15: Paramilitary Training
Level 18: Mighty
Level 21: Enduring

Powers:
Level 1: Clobber
Level 1: Roomsweeper (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 6: Mighty Leap (Crippling Challenge)
Level 8: Demolish (Rank 2, Below the Belt)
Level 11: Enrage (Endorphin Rush)
Level 14: Aggressor (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17: Invulnerability (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Eye Beam (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Wind Breath (Nailed to the Ground, Challenging Strikes)
Level 26: Molecular Self-Assembly
Level 29: Imbue (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 32: Retaliation (Rank 2)
Level 35: Resurgence
Level 38: Conviction

Travel Powers:
Level 6: Heroic Flight (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Mach Speed

Specializations:
Strength: Swole (2/3)
Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
Strength: Brutality (2/2)
Strength: Juggernaut (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: The Rush of Battle (1/3)
Vindicator: Modified Gear (2/2)
Vindicator: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
Guardian: Retribution (2/2)
Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

syntaxes · August 2012

mjsunday wrote: »

I am trying to build a freeform Superman Clones.

Clones are frowned upon in CO, as well as against the TOS

Dont be surprised if you get flamed ^.^

-Azer

selphea · August 2012

They just released Bat- err... Nighthawk so it's all cool :cool:

jonsills · August 2012

You're trying to build a clone of a trademarked character. Said trademark is held by DC Comics, a subsidiary of Time Warner.

It's not quite as dumb as trying to attract the attention of Marvel/Disney - but if you insist on trying to clone a character, couldn't you at least pick a minor publisher? Say, make a clone of 84, from P.S. 238? Similar powers, except that Julie doesn't have eye-beams or "super-breath" (her powerset is referred to in-universe as "FISS", for "Flight-Invulnerability-Speed-Strength", and it's the most common metaprodigy ability - her nom du guerre comes from the fact that she's the 84th registered FISS hero).

At least that way, there's less danger of lawsuits being filed before you get genericed.

Or, here's a challenge for you - create an homage! Someone with similar powers, who was inspired by reading the fictional exploits of an orphaned alien when he was a boy... Or, barring that, a parody could be used, like Issmir's "Clowns Not Clones" campaign (the origin of my own Captain Americlown), or combining two ideas in a humorous fashion (like Spider-Bat, a Master with super-strength, super-agility, and Swinging; his backstory is simple - "Billionaire Peter Wayne was hunting rare spiders in the Amazon when he was bitten by a rabid radioactive bat, and became a little confused").

But don't clone a trademarked character from a major publisher. That's just asking for trouble.

ashensnow · August 2012

Don't worry about violating the TOS with your character's build as there is nothing in the ToS governing such.

Of course you should refrain from going beyond build though.

mjsunday · August 2012

jonsills wrote: »

You're trying to build a clone of a trademarked character. Said trademark is held by DC Comics, a subsidiary of Time Warner.

It's not quite as dumb as trying to attract the attention of Marvel/Disney - but if you insist on trying to clone a character, couldn't you at least pick a minor publisher? Say, make a clone of 84, from P.S. 238? Similar powers, except that Julie doesn't have eye-beams or "super-breath" (her powerset is referred to in-universe as "FISS", for "Flight-Invulnerability-Speed-Strength", and it's the most common metaprodigy ability - her nom du guerre comes from the fact that she's the 84th registered FISS hero).

At least that way, there's less danger of lawsuits being filed before you get genericed.

Or, here's a challenge for you - create an homage! Someone with similar powers, who was inspired by reading the fictional exploits of an orphaned alien when he was a boy... Or, barring that, a parody could be used, like Issmir's "Clowns Not Clones" campaign (the origin of my own Captain Americlown), or combining two ideas in a humorous fashion (like Spider-Bat, a Master with super-strength, super-agility, and Swinging; his backstory is simple - "Billionaire Peter Wayne was hunting rare spiders in the Amazon when he was bitten by a rabid radioactive bat, and became a little confused").

But don't clone a trademarked character from a major publisher. That's just asking for trouble.

He will not be a exact clone much like Sentry is to Superman. The clone build is a starting point for my Superman/ Captain America Homage!

cptmillennium · August 2012

I edited the build a little. I forgot that by adding Wind Breath, Fault Line became unnecessary. Moved Challenging Strikes to there and ranked up Eye Beams to 3. Eye Beams is still a suboptimal choice, but if you really want o imitate classic Kryptonian abilities, you probably want it.

I added Conviction instead of Fault Line. It's a great self-heal. You might consider Reconstructive Circuits, just to get another toggle going with Eye Beams, but Conviction is probably the better overall choice.

Nothing wrong with an homage character.

jonsills · August 2012

ashensnow wrote: »

Don't worry about violating the TOS with your character's build as there is nothing in the ToS governing such.

Of course you should refrain from going beyond build though.

The classic rule is the Rule of Three: appearance, name, powers. If you make a character with Superman's powers, wearing blue tights and a red cape, then it doesn't matter what you call him, you hit Section 11, Paragraph C of the ToS. (Same if your toon has the costume and a name that's a takeoff on "Superman" - even if he's a Tempest or a Marksman, he's still in violation.)

On the third hand (hey, Grond has four of them - why can't I?), you can make a character with those powers, call him "Big Guy", and dress him in literally anything except blue tights and a red cape, and you're good.

syntaxes · August 2012

selphea wrote: »

They just released Bat- err... Nighthawk so it's all cool :cool:

From what I hear Nighthawk was from the original pen and paper champions game, whatever that means (to me it just means they copied him a long time ago rather then a few months ago ^.^ ) But some people insist that this means he is completly original so meh.

ashensnow wrote: »

Don't worry about violating the TOS with your character's build as there is nothing in the ToS governing such.

My bad, it seems like it was removed (maybe when PWE rewrote it ) It was in there a few years ago anyway.

I seem to be...how does that go... "talking out of my @$$" :redface: dont mind me

I guess clones just bug me, why remake something when you have such potential for an amazing look/build?

EDIT: Seems they just made it a little more generic, Section 11 paragragh C for anyone interested:

"User Content that may infringe any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other intellectual or proprietary right of any party. By posting any User Content, you represent and warrant that you have the lawful right to distribute and reproduce such User Content" (Perfect world Terms of Service, Section 11, Paragraph C)

Of course this means that you would have to look on DC Comics ToS regarding superman, to see if making an MMO clone of him violates that. (It is DC that owns him right?)

ashensnow · August 2012

syntaxes wrote: »

From what I hear Nighthawk was from the original pen and paper champions game, whatever that means (to me it just means they copied him a long time ago rather then a few months ago ^.^ ) But some people insist that this means he is completly original so meh.

My bad, it seems like it was removed (maybe when PWE rewrote it ) It was in there a few years ago anyway.

I seem to be...how does that go... "talking out of my @$$" :redface: dont mind me

I guess clones just bug me, why remake something when you have such potential for an amazing look/build?

EDIT: Seems they just made it a little more generic, Section 11 paragragh C for anyone interested:

"User Content that may infringe any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other intellectual or proprietary right of any party. By posting any User Content, you represent and warrant that you have the lawful right to distribute and reproduce such User Content" (Perfect world Terms of Service, Section 11, Paragraph C)

Of course this means that you would have to look on DC Comics ToS regarding superman, to see if making an MMO clone of him violates that. (It is DC that owns him right?)

I think that you will find that it is impossible to trademark or copyright, "strong guy who flies and stuff."

As Jon said above, going into more detail than I, one would have to include such elements as appearance and/or name to get into trouble.

I can assure you that making a flying might toon with eyebeams and frost breath, as much as it might not be the most optimal build possible, would not in any way violate trademark laws, or CO's ToS, unless you make the character look like Superman, or use the name Superman itself.

syntaxes · August 2012

ashensnow wrote: »

I think that you will find that it is impossible to trademark or copyright, "strong guy who flies and stuff."

As Jon said above, going into more detail than I, one would have to include such elements as appearance and/or name to get into trouble.

I can assure you that making a flying might toon with eyebeams and frost breath, as much as it might not be the most optimal build possible, would not in any way violate trademark laws, or CO's ToS, unless you make the character look like Superman, or use the name Superman itself.

I repeat: My bad :rolleyes:

mjsunday · August 2012

cptmillennium wrote: »

I use a build similar to this for Captain Millennium, though he's not a clone, so he doesn't have het vision or super breath. Amazing survivability and good damage (for a tank) though, and I think it'll feel pretty Supes-like.

Gear for crits, dodge/avoid and recharge/cost reduction.

PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Name:

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
Level 15: Intelligence (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Devastator
Level 6: Physical Conditioning
Level 9: Body and Mind
Level 12: Healthy Mind
Level 15: Paramilitary Training
Level 18: Mighty
Level 21: Enduring

Powers:
Level 1: Clobber
Level 1: Roomsweeper (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 6: Mighty Leap (Crippling Challenge)
Level 8: Demolish (Rank 2, Below the Belt)
Level 11: Enrage (Endorphin Rush)
Level 14: Aggressor (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17: Invulnerability (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Eye Beam (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Wind Breath (Nailed to the Ground, Challenging Strikes)
Level 26: Molecular Self-Assembly
Level 29: Imbue (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 32: Retaliation (Rank 2)
Level 35: Resurgence
Level 38: Conviction

Travel Powers:
Level 6: Heroic Flight (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Mach Speed

Specializations:
Strength: Swole (2/3)
Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
Strength: Brutality (2/2)
Strength: Juggernaut (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: The Rush of Battle (1/3)
Vindicator: Modified Gear (2/2)
Vindicator: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
Guardian: Retribution (2/2)
Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

How would this build fare in PVP? Would Force Blast make a better choice, if I slot it for the eyes?

cptmillennium · August 2012

I don't know if it would PvP well. Charged melee powers are hard to land. You'll want to lunge from over 20 feet away to stun them, then charge a Demolish or a Roomsweeper while they're stunned so the KB is suppressed. They're gonna snap out of it, run and heal fast though.

You could play around with other options like Force Blast. I'm not sure how it compares to the current version of Eye Beams. You may also want Thunderclap for some additional crowd control. It's largely about keeping your opponent in one place so you can pound them.

I don't PvP a ton outside he occasional friendly duel though, so maybe someone else has more relevant advic here.

mjsunday · August 2012

cptmillennium wrote: »

I don't know if it would PvP well. Charged melee powers are hard to land. You'll want to lunge from over 20 feet away to stun them, then charge a Demolish or a Roomsweeper while they're stunned so the KB is suppressed. They're gonna snap out of it, run and heal fast though.

You could play around with other options like Force Blast. I'm not sure how it compares to the current version of Eye Beams. You may also want Thunderclap for some additional crowd control. It's largely about keeping your opponent in one place so you can pound them.

I don't PvP a ton outside he occasional friendly duel though, so maybe someone else has more relevant advic here.

Thank you for taking the time to help!

beastmag · August 2012

I know you are really smart and all, but dont you see why no one why Marvel would never sue a fan creating a superman clone on champions-online? Forget the cost of filing a lawsuit in the State where the user can be served with process. Dont you see there are no damages to allege?

I really dislike people that want to enforce someone else's trademarks or copyrights. They always call other people dumb or stupid but have never stopped to realize no fan has ever been sued for fan-art.

Should this user try to actually make a comic book or exploit this clone in some way to make money, then you may have a point.

jonsills wrote: »

You're trying to build a clone of a trademarked character. Said trademark is held by DC Comics, a subsidiary of Time Warner.

It's not quite as dumb as trying to attract the attention of Marvel/Disney - but if you insist on trying to clone a character, couldn't you at least pick a minor publisher? Say, make a clone of 84, from P.S. 238? Similar powers, except that Julie doesn't have eye-beams or "super-breath" (her powerset is referred to in-universe as "FISS", for "Flight-Invulnerability-Speed-Strength", and it's the most common metaprodigy ability - her nom du guerre comes from the fact that she's the 84th registered FISS hero).

At least that way, there's less danger of lawsuits being filed before you get genericed.

Or, here's a challenge for you - create an homage! Someone with similar powers, who was inspired by reading the fictional exploits of an orphaned alien when he was a boy... Or, barring that, a parody could be used, like Issmir's "Clowns Not Clones" campaign (the origin of my own Captain Americlown), or combining two ideas in a humorous fashion (like Spider-Bat, a Master with super-strength, super-agility, and Swinging; his backstory is simple - "Billionaire Peter Wayne was hunting rare spiders in the Amazon when he was bitten by a rabid radioactive bat, and became a little confused").

But don't clone a trademarked character from a major publisher. That's just asking for trouble.

ashensnow · August 2012

beastmag wrote: »

I know you are really smart and all, but dont you see why no one why Marvel would never sue a fan creating a superman clone on champions-online?

Of course Marvel would not be involved in a lawsuit involving a Superman clone in CO. They don't hold the trademark.

Forget the cost of filing a lawsuit in the State where the user can be served with process. Dont you see there are no damages to allege?

Im pretty sure that, assuming a Marvel character since you referenced them, Disney can afford the cost of filing a lawsuit in California...particularly if their court costs are included in a settlement of the case. Remember that the owner of a Trademark is required by law to defend it in order to keep it. An infringement that isnt defended vigorously can be used as precedent for the loss of the TM.

I really dislike people that want to enforce someone else's trademarks or copyrights.

They always call other people dumb or stupid

The individual you are quoting did no such thing. Accusations that are obviously completely fabricated dont make the accused look bad...

but have never stopped to realize no fan has ever been sued for fan-art.

This is not true.

Should this user try to actually make a comic book or exploit this clone in some way to make money, then you may have a point.

The user is not the one who would face a potential lawsuit if he created an actual superman clone in CO. Cryptic/PWE are the ones recreating, transmitting, and publishing the image digitally. They are the ones that would be argued as illegally making money off of the Superman image.

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jonsills · August 2012

No one has ever been sued for fan art??

There's a fellow by the name of Gary Friedrich who might be able to educate you on that point...

...or you might look up the case referenced above - the one where Marvel did sue Cryptic, and dropped the case only because the characters they were adducing in evidence were all created by Marvel employees...

purplepompadour · August 2012

There's a difference between homage and clone. Why play "superman" when you could be original? Nothing's wrong with using him for inspiration.

I can never get beyond a couple of levels with a "clone". Which sucks because I made a really spot on Birdman and Space Ghost a while back. But I just couldn't keep interest beyond running around long enough for someone to say "hey birdman".

Superman Clone Build need!

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