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nepht
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....so any news about the possible might have already happened region bans?
Cause seriously we don't have any idea of whats going on .
Cause seriously we don't have any idea of whats going on .
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They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
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I do suspect we'll receive continued silence on the regional and chatban issues. Both are matters that go beyond this game; the first is really a PWI issue, Cryptic's sway with their parent company is limited, and it's an unfortunate fact of life that you don't publicly badmouth the company that's cutting your checks. I'm pretty sure no one at Cryptic is happy about the issue: any designer or dev worth their salt wants their games to be appreciated by as large an audience as possible: don't interpret Cryptic's silence as assent. For all we know, they could well be lobbying hard behind the scenes, and not want to jeopardize it with the bad press that would come from a report of a dispute between parent company and their development house.
Unfortunately there's little we can do except hope that PWI will at least find a way to honor subscribers, and shake our fists at such a stupid policy (hence my current sig).
On the region ban issue, I suspect that Scott's supposition may be accurate. At least I hope it is. There may be intransigence on this issue at the upper management end.
I will not malign specific devs for any of this. I stopped being critical of individual devs once Bal moved on. While I may not agree with individual devs on every issue in the game, I have and will continue to be civil in my comments.
And zenzen, implying (or outright stating) that devs are unwilling to communicate with the forums does them a disservice. Whether you realize it or not, you are impugning their professionalism.
I been a long time leaving but I'm going to be a long time gone.
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T.U.F.K.A.S. (the user formerly known as Scarlyng)
Wrong on the CO forums since November, 2008
I would like answers to this topic as well. It has been an ongoing concern about the fate of an entire segment of paying costumers and their access to the game after the company has taken their money, which is an important issue that goes beyond the mere "like to have's" of most discussions of development.
I came here to play with my husband and we both enjoy it, but reading into things I really feel your pain.
I come from EQ2 where the Pro7 fiasco is happening and we have have very little to zero communication on things that are supposed to happen with our game (not to mention the changes already in DCUO).
Communication is imperative between devs and players. Devs should have a thick skin, I agree, but they also have the power to remove posts, edit them, and lock things down. Some may call it censoring, but it can help in the long run (at least IMO).
OMG the Pro7 madness . Its a shame that Euro players have to deal with them but at least the outrage stopped the region block.
Yes SoE is pretty poor with the communications.
But if anything is to be learned from the Pro7 fiasco is that players can make a difference (even if its only a slight difference ).
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Yes they can, and please don't think they can't.
Players have been sititng on the Alaplay forums, researching things and bringing it to SoE's attention. Players have actually had some things changed in that agreement.
So don't give up. Hopefully things will change for the better!
Let's keep it that way! Woooo!
Communication in EQ2 was quite good when Moorgard and Blackguard were there the first years,
then we still had a very good and active Crafting Dev. Howeber .. don't know whats going on now.
And what difference have players made in the Pro7 fiasco exactly ?
The pseudo-outrage and overdramatization on these boards got stale a long time ago. There are a lot more important things going on in the real world to get in a twist over than who can access an online video game. The priorities of this younger internet generation leave a lot to be desired.
Well on DCUO and EQ2 at least the original idea was to bar Euro players from the US servers this part of the Pro7 deal has been dropped.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Probably because this issue aftects their customers and our dealings are with Cryptic directly rather than their parent company. And as a direct intermediary as well as beneficiary from any business dealings on this situation, Cryptic is responsible to answer for what goes on after those transactions. I.e., I purchased a product/service from Cryptic (not PWE), and now that product/service is benig denied to me (or someone else, as is the case in this situation). Therefore, I go to the company I bought that product/service from and ask: "What tha hell is going on?"
Yet you still feel compelled to reply to it regardless.
1) These forums are about discussion and questions related to Champions Online, not about the greater concerns of the rest of the planet. And the OP's topic does not deviate from the purpose of these boards.
2) If you're so concerned about the more important things going on in the real world what are you doing posting on the boards of an online video game? Shouldn't you be back in the real world curing cancer or something?
Nobody thinks they need to do anything beyond it being simple good business practice. Same reason Apple has a Genius bar and offers classes on how to use their products, or OriginPC lets you talk to the techs who built your computer if you have any questions or problems with it. Additionally, it's pretty standard practice in the MMO business for communication to be a two way street between the game company and the playerbase, so I guess the question should be why do you continue to believe that it's strange of the players who have developed a relationship with Cryptic to expect communication, particularly after they've promised communication several times, and a couple on the particular issue being discussed?
I don't know about anybody else, but I'm not pseudo-outraged, I'm just concerned with the product and company I am deeply invested in making decisions that I don't agree with and voicing said concern since without feedback a company doesn't know how it's players feel. Yes we can vote with our wallets, but there's no button that says "Pay $100 to support the region banned players." If there was, I'd click it.
Finally, I'm very annoyed by your "more important things" comment, but trying to be civil, which isn't really something I'm good at, but I'm trying, so work with me here, try and see it from the other point of view - yes, there are many things that are much more vital to the world at large than the lack of service of a luxary item to a small section of the world, but it's similar to saying "why are you all worried about misappropriated taxes when there's murder in Uganda (or wherever, idk)?" Just because one issue is of greater impact or import does not make the other issue any less valid.
Now, to be clear, I'm not equating the region banning with criminal behaviour. I'm literally doing the opposite - stating there is a clear disparity of gravity in issues, however this disparity does not negate the lessor.
Consider also that we are a community, in a very real sense of the word - we see each other very nearly every day, we interact, we are involved in activities together, and without each other the community would not survive and allow us to continue living life in a way we enjoy (i.e. playing CO). So as a community is it so incredible that we are upset when members of it are negatively impacted to the point they are no longer a part of the community?
Now, I'd like to add some gravity, so just go with me here. CO is $15 a month for some, free for others, and others still just whatever they feel like paying, but at the very least, it uses our time, so it has a certain value. For many of us time or money is limited to some extent or another, and many of us work very hard in our day to day lives, be it at a job, school, homemaking, child-rearing, bodybuilding... whatever.
It's important for human beings to disengage from stressors and participate in leisure activities to maintain a certain balance to health and wellbeing. On top of that, our opportunities are limited to those we have time and/or money for, and for many of us, that chosen activity is CO.
For many of us CO gives us something we don't find in other games, we just like it more, for whatever reason, and because of that it maximizes our leisure time, which we've worked very hard to earn, and makes all that work worthwhile. Taking away something that we've become invested in, regardless of how trivial it may seem, is still a really crappy feeling, and can have deeper implications than merely "play something else," much like a child losing their favorite stuffed toy.
Am I a starving boy in Nigeria scraping away to feed my family? Of course not, but that doesn't trivialize the 50 hour work week and part time classes I've put in to be able to enjoy a few hours of mindless beat-em-up. And as someone who was actually born and raised in a third world country during a time of civil war and lived under a tin roof during his childhood, I'll tell you, that experience doesn't mean I'd be totally ok being banned from CO.
So there, that's my PoV.
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or what VS said.
Real life issues in the world concern me in the real world .
This is forum is for game issues and valued members of the community being blocked is a major game issue.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Um, because Cryptic continued to sell lifetime subs and other virtual products to people in regions their new parent company was going to prohibit them from doing business with at some point. This is a shoddy business practice. Cryptic owes these people some consideration.
I been a long time leaving but I'm going to be a long time gone.
Willie Nelson
T.U.F.K.A.S. (the user formerly known as Scarlyng)
Wrong on the CO forums since November, 2008
Do you have any idea how hilarious that is? They're supposed to be easier to use, so much so that an old slogan was "the computer for the rest of us." Why do they need to offer classes?
What the genius bar is not there for is to give customers a direct line to talk to the hardware and software engineers behind their products. That's what a lot of people in this thread think the forums are here for. So the two aren't comparable.
Because PWE actually said they weren't going to meddle in Cryptic's business very much. Also, because people are investing both time and money into this game and those who are complaining are savy enough to not spend money on something that they don't know what they're getting, or that they want to know whether or not they're ok with continued investment of time and money.
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I concur. Good job trail turtle. Go treat yourself to a massage or something.
Indeed TT has been epic of late , and I am pretty sure if he was allowed to tell us what was going on he would ^__^
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Oh, agreed 100%, but not really my point lol
That's also why I threw in OriginPC and the direct line to the techs that built your machine, as well as the typical MMO practice of direct dev communication.
You're right. Boy have I seen the light. First thing tomorrow I'm going to join you in humanitarian efforts to provide emergency medical care to the innocent people getting caught up and injured in the current Libyan civil war. See you at the airport.
I'd write some more but i need to go and take out my tights and capes out of the washingmachine and call the carmechanic if he figured out the glitch on the bulletproof pop-up shield of my heromobile.
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All that can be said is LOL.
My two friends from Russia say cause they are having some bad stuff going on in there region (the bad stuff being Putin ). They used to enjoy turning the propaganda box off and chilling out with CO. I cant fully understand what they say their English is that crazy ( I know thats rich coming from me ) but what I have heard is they just dropped CO they dont see the point in continuing
Heres food for thought for PWE they have LOTS of buddies in surrounding countries that WONT be banned. Word of mouth travels fast Twitter is a wonderful thing sometimes.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
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Heres the thing one can one cant.
But I think the one that can is using a proxy. Theres a thread on steam about Blacklight and STO not being playable in Russia any more. http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2790262
Some people are having problems but they dont know if its a ban or a bug on both games forums no real info has been released so we dont know.
All I ask is a PWE guy step up and say yeah they are banned or no they aint theres some confusion because we have gotten all sorts of conflicting info
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
The majority of Apple users don't speak Mandarin, so speaking to the hardware and software engineers wouldn't help, unless they themselves spoke English.
I just had to agree with that.
Oh hell yes TT has been all sorts of awesome ^___^
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Will have to add most of PWE own forum reps do talk more often than SS ever did , suppose they can only tell what they are allowed to say, seems the dudes with the panda's dont want their own Pandaman to play
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!