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sparkrocker
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Is form of the tempest the optimal form to use for a ranged Dps End /Dex /Con build? From what I have read concentration scales on Ego or Int. The powers I'm choosing are particle damage.
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I always use Form of the Tempest. Much easier to get full stacks, and if you have 300 DEX
you need maybe 150 INT or EGO i think, to get the same out of concentration.
I use it with Infernal, Fire, Electric, Munitons and Earth characters
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6,5% per Stack from Focus with 300 DEX is still more than 6% from Concentration with
not much INT or END.
since this is a ranged question...
300 int or 300 ego will obviously give you less from focus to ranged, because duh it scales on dex.
on the same line if you had 300 dex and took concentration you'd still get more out of focus... however, rangewise? concentration will beat focus in every-aspect as far as bonus to RANGED dmg goes.
so comparing what you get out of that becuase your "concentration" stats are low to your superstatted dex with focus... is counter-productive
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Don't understand what you are talking about. The OP was saying he uses a END / DEX / CON build
so what is counter-productive ? That i don't tell him .. no .. screw DEX and go EGO all the way
because Concentration bonus is sooo much better than crit ?
The question is simply : i have maybe 300 DEX and 10-20 INT and EGO .. so do i take
better Concentration or FoTT.
My lil soldier is at 50% crit and over 100% sev and neither ego or dex is hitting even 280. It can be up to 70% depending on the situation.
With dex its easier to hit higher sev, and ego I've found is easier to hit a higher chance.
If you're already ranged, boosting ego should make sense being that it boosts range damage. Even my AT PA hits goes over 70 ego for the sake of hitting the softcap and getting the 20%+ bonus.
Most of my other setups hit at least 25% with just base 10 dex.
Only my pvp ranged builds run meager ego since knock res ends up being far more important than some extra damage.
If you read my original post I don't have int or ego ss. Concentration scales off of int or ego. Therefore my question was which form would perform best. Fott provides a higher % to range if dex is ss than if I used concentration with dex.
-If one has Dex SS but not SS Ego or Int, FotT is going to have comparable or better bonus to ranged damage
-Concentration is very unreliable if not using charged or maintain attacks; no good for tapspam
-Concentration is annoyingly unhelpful if your targets don't live long enough to proc it (makes elec and fire soloing a PITA)
-FotT is generally much faster, more responsive, more reliable and easier to maintain
-Diminishing returns makes the difference pretty small anyway
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The answer to your question is yes.
With high dex, and low int/ego, FotT will buff your ranged damage more than Concentration, even with only half the damage bonus applying to ranged damage. It will also provide more energy, because the energy gain scales on the same stats.
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It's not that I didn't read - it's that I don't see anything to justify using dex over ego on a ranged. Gloves of Precision with r5 gamblers is 24.8% or so crit chance alone with base 10 dex. Ego's spec tree can also add some crit chance through secondary ss, allowing you to easily hit respectable crit chance (25%, 33.3%+) without heavy investment into dex at all, and at the same time boost the stat that boosts range damage. Sure it's easier to get higher sev with dex, but I'd rather be at 50% chance/100% sev on my soldier vs 42%/112% or so on my unleashed - (two completely different setups just using the numbers for comparsion) When focusing on crit, you're usually lookin at frequent/quick attacks, whether it be AR, Conflag, Lightning Arc, ER/Defile taps, etc. Getting criticals more often over time will deal more damage than higher sev per crit when the difference is sev is so minimal.
If you're shooting for crit sev above 120%, then I can see where the desire for dex would come in. Otherwise I'd leave it for melee/hybrid setups.
I don't see how concentration is annoyingly unhelpful considering that ranged toggles as a whole are a recent addition. Focus didn't even boost ranged damage pre-alert and alert was the primary toggle for ranged damage boost then, relying on con/str.
I can keep concentration at 8 stacks relatively easily unless I'm having to stop regularly to activate this glowie and that during a mission (ie Serpent Lantern). I've never found it an issue with Tap Spam as I engage targets from over 25 feet away or simply use a close range pbaoe.
I just find things like this odd - when taking the time to optimize stats, I would hope optimizing framework would go with it. It makes sense to see FoTT on something like a specialist with its mix of melee/ranged attacks. But as a dedicated ranged, I don't see any outstanding benefit to dex as a primary - Crit strike gear covers so much already. If you were focusing on penetration equipment, you'd be running INT anyway, etc.
150 DEX .. so i have to invest 450 statpoints instead of 300, and still my severity is 20% lower,
what means 10% less REAL damage on crit.
And in the end all the more damage from EGO Bonus and Forms is just additive and gives
me maybe what .. 10-15% real damage more .. so the deal is 150 CON less for 5% more damage.
Maybe worth it for some people .. but not for all.
But are you even using crit strike gear? And what crit chance are you shooting for?
25%, 33.3%, and 50% are generally one fo the three breaking points I shoot for, being effectively 1 out of 4, 1 out of 3 or 1 out of 2 hits, albeit chance in reality doesn't work that way.
Of course, If I'm bothering with a decent con, imbue enters the mix, may not get major sev, but the guaranteed crit is worthwhile on those big charge ups. And then there's always ego surge w/ advantage.
I wouldn't have the points to throw 300 into dex myself - those usually go into energy mgmt or survival like con/str. Never having to touch the energy builder is easily my favorite means of boosting performance.
As far as I'm aware EGO / STR have heavy dimishing returns. The magic number being somewhere around 70ish. So why pss ego? Higher critic and critic severity seem preferrable.
50% crit chance if i count the spec that give me +6% on single target, else its 45% on my
stat screen, and 110+ severity.
I don't really count active defenses that i can use only for 12 seconds out of 90, also i
mainly use them as holdbreaker, because if i use them before i mostly get hold directly
after it.
Imbue i use on Infernals with Defile as Alpha .. but not on Electric since i don't have
Gigabolt, and imbued Lightning Arc is not really worth it.
300 DEX i also only have in builds that only need REC as energ stat. Fire or Electric
where i need END and REC only have maybe 250 DEX. However with 250 DEX, 200 CON
and maybe 130 END and REC there also is no place to throw in 250+ EGO.
ADs and AOs can be available a lot faster than 90s thanks to the cooldown/cost redux in utility gear. Then there's the spec tree reductions as well. Right now my soldier only waits 20s from the end of one locknload before the next one is ready, tho I'll probably give some of that redux up again.
Con/Imbue is only useful for hard hitting chargeups - For maintains and the like con/ego surge w/ adv is usually the route to go.
But I'm seeing your logic now, basically avoiding the ego to fit in survivability(or whatever you need) whereas I sacrifice crit chance instead. I got pretty accustomed to pre-alert crit chance where 33.3 was pretty solid considering 50% wasn't feasible then as consistent rate.