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Concentration, at least 25 feet away

smoochansmoochan Posts: 2,564 Arc User
edited July 2012 in Power Discussion
So I've noticed that Concentration says it builds stacks if I strike a target from at least 25 feet away.

The problem is.. it for the most part won't do that. It only builds on maintains and charges. Anyone know why?
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  • monsterdaddymonsterdaddy Posts: 793 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    smoochan wrote: »
    So I've noticed that Concentration says it builds stacks if I strike a target from at least 25 feet away.

    The problem is.. it for the most part won't do that. It only builds on maintains and charges. Anyone know why?

    Move away from the target.

    No seriously, either fly up if it's melee following you or move back fast. It is frustrating but you have to deal with it. I usually use energy builder a bit longer just so I can make sure my Maintain goes past 50%.

    Concentration does build stacks fast with multi-target AoEs though.
  • smoochansmoochan Posts: 2,564 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The real issue is that sometimes it will actually build stacks on taps. Then sometimes it won't... even though as far as I'm aware, I'm the same range in both cases.
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  • schizoslayerschizoslayer Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    There is normally a limit on how fast you can build stacks of a form related buff. Most of them are once every 4 seconds. I'm not sure if Concentration follows this same rule but I wouldn't be surprised if there was an internal cooldown to prevent you building 8 stacks in less than 6 seconds just by tapping a ranged power from over 25 feet away.

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  • secksegaisecksegai Posts: 1,354 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    There's definitely a timer - 25 feet does make a difference, but usually you would have qualified for a new stack regardless.
  • smoochansmoochan Posts: 2,564 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    schizoslayer wrote: »
    There is normally a limit on how fast you can build stacks of a form related buff. Most of them are once every 4 seconds. I'm not sure if Concentration follows this same rule but I wouldn't be surprised if there was an internal cooldown to prevent you building 8 stacks in less than 6 seconds just by tapping a ranged power from over 25 feet away.

    There is in fact a timer, but again that's not what I'm talking about. It's not that I'm only getting stacks every few seconds. Let me clarify.


    Scenario A: I know I'm at least 25' away because I'm just barely within the range for my 50' powers. I'm spamming typhoon taps, not using any other powers, and getting stacks of concentration every few seconds.


    Scenario B: I know I'm at least 25' away because I'm just barely within the range for my 50' powers. I'm spamming typhoon taps, not using any other powers, and not getting stacks of concentration at all, sitting at the 1 base stack until I eventually get tired of it and start using maintains and charges.



    This is the issue, both of these scenarios have happened on the same character, on the same day, within the same hour, in the same alert, without any retcons or other changes taking place inbetween. In the case of Scenario B, I would try going further and further away from my target, even getting so far as to get out of 100' range, and still no stacks gained. I always verified that Concentration was in fact active.
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  • silveragefogeysilveragefogey Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    This is where knockbacks might come in handy. You noted "typhoon" - is this a wind based toon? Hurricane is GREAT for getting a little bit of range, and Wind Barrier ought to do the same (and trigger Wind Reverb if you're using it.)
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  • rynarisrynaris Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I would like to ask if anyone has got the same experience that in melee the concentration stacks dissapear when hit in melee?

    Any suggestions?

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  • dagconfaraday#1221 dagconfaraday
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         Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I was actually thinking about this last night. It might have more versatility if instead of a flat 25 yards; it worked on a gradient scale of distance:charge time. i.e.

    Attacking at 40 yards grants a stack at default though the closer one is to a target, the longer one has to charge an attack to be granted a stack up to a minimum of 15 yards where it requires a full charge.

    Those were just ballpark numbers, whatever numbers work better I'm open to.
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  • keikomystkeikomyst Posts: 626 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I've gotten stacks of Concentration by tapping an attack from 25 ft away. It's working fine, it's just got that stack-building internal cooldown.
  • kanniballl2kanniballl2 Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    keikomyst wrote: »
    I've gotten stacks of Concentration by tapping an attack from 25 ft away. It's working fine, it's just got that stack-building internal cooldown.

    Yeh, the cooldown is what hurts.

    I imagine that's there so you don't get just loads of energy, off of something like Plasma Beam or whatever.
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