Help with Beastial supernatural Tank

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• carrionbaggage Posts: 721 Community Moderator

  June 2021

  Before taking a crack at a rebuild, here's a few questions to get a better idea of your goals:

  • What sort of content do you want to run? Are you sticking to alerts and missions, or do you plan to tank endgame content like Cosmics?
  • Do you want to keep Regeneration for theme, or are you open to other defensive passives?
  • Do you have Imaginary Weapons for Single Blade?
  • Does Venomous Breath fit your snake theme?

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• xoez Posts: 21 Arc User

  June 2021

  Well It's just my wife and I playing so I have no asperations for the big endgame content.
  I don't need regen but without an actual healer it felt like a good option but I wont say no to other options
  I do not have imaginary weapons no. I don't even know where I would get that.
  Finally yes I was looking at Venomous breath as there are spitting cobras which fit the snake theme quite well.

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,742 Arc User

  June 2021 edited June 2021

  Imaginary weapon skins are from the Foxbat event, iirc. Anyways, Bestial has only a few abilities that deal w/ poison. Venomous Breath is one of them, though it is a general SN power that's also in Infenral. Frenzy has a poison adv, but it's somewhat redundant w/ Venom Breath as an AoE. Bite also has a poison adv, but it's not as strong of an attack for dmg and would be more for utility (depending on the advs you took). Thrash also has its Fester adv, though that's more for lowering enemy dmg, and you'd have to get some other source of poison for it (prob not efficient over just getting more dmg and healing from it via R3).
  
  It's pretty easy to replace Lacerating Cyclone w/ something like Venomous Breath or Frenzy w/ poison adv, but are there any other powers you'd rather replace? I'd prob pass on Planar Vortex, unless you really wanted it for the theme (seems to be kind of a weird pick here). Eviscerate would be nice if keeping Thrash, since Thrash can't proc AotB on its own, and taps of Evis w/ Messy adv can refresh both bleeds and Shredded. R1 Masterful Dodge also isn't worth taking here, since AD's share the same long cd now, and R1 MD doesn't put you past 100% dodge anymore. Maybe get Endorphin Rush instead, since it's a decent self-heal that can scale w/ Con (and Rec). Here's a simple example edit of it:
  
  (Unnamed Build) - Freeform (Tank)
  v3.44:37
  
  Super Stats
  Level 6: Strength (Primary)
  Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
  Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)
  
  Talents
  Level 1: The Devastator (Str: 10, Con: 10, Rec: 10, End: 8)
  Level 6: Paramilitary Training (Str: 3, Con: 3, Rec: 3, End: 3)
  Level 9: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)
  Level 12: Relentless (Str: 5, Rec: 5)
  Level 15: Bodybuilder (Str: 5, End: 5)
  Level 18: Physical Conditioning (Str: 5, Con: 5)
  Level 21: Boundless Reserves (Con: 5, End: 5)
  
  Powers
  Level 1: Infernal Bolts
  Level 1: Shred (Rank 2, Penetrating Strikes, Challenge!)
  Level 6: Aspect of the Bestial
  Level 8: Regeneration (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 11: Supernatural Power
  Level 14: Venomous Breath (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenge!)
  Level 17: Resurgence (Rank 2)
  Level 20: Thrash (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenge!)
  Level 23: Eviscerate (Messy)
  Level 26: Antagonize (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 29: Endorphin Rush (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 32:
  Level 35:
  Level 38:
  Adv. Points: 31/36
  
  Travel Powers
  Level 6:
  Level 35:
  
  Specializations
  Strength: Swole (2/3)
  Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
  Strength: Brutality (2/2)
  Strength: Juggernaut (2/3)
  Strength: Overpower (1/3)
  Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
  Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
  Warden: Elusive (2/2)
  Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
  Protector: Fortified Gear (3/3)
  Protector: Bulwark (2/2)
  Protector: Debilitating Challenge (2/2)
  Protector: Resolute (3/3)
  Mastery: Protector Mastery (1/1)
  
  The last 3 powers can be w/e ya want, and you can get the stun adv on Venom Breath if you want (instead of R3), though that will lower its dmg a good bit.

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• xoez Posts: 21 Arc User

  June 2021

  flowcyto wrote: »

  Imaginary weapon skins are from the Foxbat event, iirc. Anyways, Bestial has only a few abilities that deal w/ poison. Venomous Breath is one of them, though it is a general SN power that's also in Infenral. Frenzy has a poison adv, but it's somewhat redundant w/ Venom Breath as an AoE. Bite also has a poison adv, but it's not as strong of an attack for dmg and would be more for utility (depending on the advs you took). Thrash also has its Fester adv, though that's more for lowering enemy dmg, and you'd have to get some other source of poison for it (prob not efficient over just getting more dmg and healing from it via R3).
  
  It's pretty easy to replace Lacerating Cyclone w/ something like Venomous Breath or Frenzy w/ poison adv, but are there any other powers you'd rather replace? I'd prob pass on Planar Vortex, unless you really wanted it for the theme (seems to be kind of a weird pick here). Eviscerate would be nice if keeping Thrash, since Thrash can't proc AotB on its own, and taps of Evis w/ Messy adv can refresh both bleeds and Shredded. R1 Masterful Dodge also isn't worth taking here, since AD's share the same long cd now, and R1 MD doesn't put you past 100% dodge anymore. Maybe get Endorphin Rush instead, since it's a decent self-heal that can scale w/ Con (and Rec). Here's a simple example edit of it:
  
  (Unnamed Build) - Freeform (Tank)
  v3.44:37
  
  Super Stats
  Level 6: Strength (Primary)
  Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
  Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)
  
  Talents
  Level 1: The Devastator (Str: 10, Con: 10, Rec: 10, End: 8)
  Level 6: Paramilitary Training (Str: 3, Con: 3, Rec: 3, End: 3)
  Level 9: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)
  Level 12: Relentless (Str: 5, Rec: 5)
  Level 15: Bodybuilder (Str: 5, End: 5)
  Level 18: Physical Conditioning (Str: 5, Con: 5)
  Level 21: Boundless Reserves (Con: 5, End: 5)
  
  Powers
  Level 1: Infernal Bolts
  Level 1: Shred (Rank 2, Penetrating Strikes, Challenge!)
  Level 6: Aspect of the Bestial
  Level 8: Regeneration (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 11: Supernatural Power
  Level 14: Venomous Breath (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenge!)
  Level 17: Resurgence (Rank 2)
  Level 20: Thrash (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenge!)
  Level 23: Eviscerate (Messy)
  Level 26: Antagonize (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 29: Endorphin Rush (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 32:
  Level 35:
  Level 38:
  Adv. Points: 31/36
  
  Travel Powers
  Level 6:
  Level 35:
  
  Specializations
  Strength: Swole (2/3)
  Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
  Strength: Brutality (2/2)
  Strength: Juggernaut (2/3)
  Strength: Overpower (1/3)
  Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
  Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
  Warden: Elusive (2/2)
  Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
  Protector: Fortified Gear (3/3)
  Protector: Bulwark (2/2)
  Protector: Debilitating Challenge (2/2)
  Protector: Resolute (3/3)
  Mastery: Protector Mastery (1/1)
  
  The last 3 powers can be w/e ya want, and you can get the stun adv on Venom Breath if you want (instead of R3), though that will lower its dmg a good bit.

  
  Honestly I'm open to trading out what ever at this point. I'm not very good at theory crafting in this game specially when it comes to tanks So I'm open to what ever suggestions the big brains have for me. The only thing I want is to stick to the theme. Also I forgot to replace infernal bolt with the Beastial energy builder in my first post but what ever.
  Thanks For the help guys. You guys are the best!

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,742 Arc User

  June 2021

  Okay, well the build edit that I did is what I'd suggest if you mostly wanted to keep the old build (since the basis of it is pretty solid). If you wanted more drastic changes, then we'd prob need to know if there are any powers in particular from Bestial (or any set) that you really wanted to use, if there are any other powers that you tried but didn't like, and/or just more info on your theme.

  <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
  - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!

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• xoez Posts: 21 Arc User

  June 2021

  flowcyto wrote: »

  Okay, well the build edit that I did is what I'd suggest if you mostly wanted to keep the old build (since the basis of it is pretty solid). If you wanted more drastic changes, then we'd prob need to know if there are any powers in particular from Bestial (or any set) that you really wanted to use, if there are any other powers that you tried but didn't like, and/or just more info on your theme.

  
  What you suggested feels LOADS better then what I had going on. Thanks again!

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,742 Arc User

  June 2021

  Okay, well I didn't make too many changes to your build, but I suppose replacing the main AoE is notable in its own right if you're doing more casual content. Hope the build continues to serve you well, either way 8)

  <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
  - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!

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• carrionbaggage Posts: 721 Community Moderator

  June 2021 edited June 2021

  Flow covered the options well. Here's an alternate (but very similar) setup designed as a level 40 retcon, using Sentinel Mastery with the stuns from Venomous Breath:
  
  (Unnamed Build) - Freeform (Tank)
  v3.44:37
  
  Super Stats
  Level 6: Strength (Primary)
  Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
  Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)
  
  Talents
  Level 1: The Devastator (Str: 10, Con: 10, Rec: 10, End: 8)
  Level 6: Paramilitary Training (Str: 3, Con: 3, Rec: 3, End: 3)
  Level 9: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)
  Level 12: Relentless (Str: 5, Rec: 5)
  Level 15: Bodybuilder (Str: 5, End: 5)
  Level 18: Physical Conditioning (Str: 5, Con: 5)
  Level 21: Boundless Reserves (Con: 5, End: 5)
  
  Powers
  Level 1: Bestial Fury
  Level 1: Shred (Rank 2, Penetrating Strikes, Challenge!)
  Level 6: Aspect of the Bestial
  Level 8: Invulnerability (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 11: Supernatural Power
  Level 14: Venomous Breath (Paralytic Bile, Challenge!)
  Level 17: Resurgence (Rank 2)
  Level 20: Thrash (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenge!)
  Level 23: Eviscerate (Messy)
  Level 26: Antagonize (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 29: Frenzy (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenge!)
  Level 32: Unstoppable (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 35:
  Level 38:
  Adv. Points: 36/36
  
  Travel Powers
  Level 6: Athletics (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 35:
  
  Specializations
  Strength: Swole (2/3)
  Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
  Strength: Brutality (2/2)
  Strength: Juggernaut (3/3)
  Protector: Fortified Gear (3/3)
  Protector: Unrelenting (1/2)
  Protector: Bulwark (2/2)
  Protector: Debilitating Challenge (2/2)
  Protector: Resolute (2/3)
  Sentinel: Torment (2/2)
  Sentinel: Sentinel Aura (3/3)
  Sentinel: Moment of Need (3/3)
  Sentinel: Wither (2/2)
  Mastery: Sentinel Mastery (1/1)
  
  Devices
  
  
  Against mobs, Venomous Breath to spread Challenge and Sentinel Mastery, then close in to use Frenzy for better damage and bleeds. Reapply Venomous Breath for Sentinel Mastery as needed. You could opt for the poison advantage on Frenzy for theme.
  
  Against a boss, lead with Shred for the Shredded debuff and bleeds. Thrash as your main attack, with Eviscerate to keep up Shredded, bleeds, and your toggle form. Weave in a Venomous Breath tap for Sentinel Mastery, if you or your partner need a healing boost.
  
  I added a dual-passive, as going full tank can feel like defensive overkill for a lot of content. You could run with an offensive passive in Hybrid role for extra damage and a Thrash healing bonus, then flip to a defensive passive if you're getting overwhelmed. Bulwark from the Protector tree helps maintain high threat in Hybrid role. I chose Invulnerability as the defensive passive in this setup, since there's Sentinel Mastery for extra healing. I'd stick with Regeneration if you're still leveling.
  
  I always recommend a Rank 3 ground travel power, for convenience.
  
  Last two powers are open. You could bring back the lunge or self-rez, if you liked those from your original build.

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• xoez Posts: 21 Arc User

  June 2021

  carrionbaggage wrote: »

  Flow covered the options well. Here's an alternate (but very similar) setup designed as a level 40 retcon, using Sentinel Mastery with the stuns from Venomous Breath:
  
  (Unnamed Build) - Freeform (Tank)
  v3.44:37
  
  Super Stats
  Level 6: Strength (Primary)
  Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
  Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)
  
  Talents
  Level 1: The Devastator (Str: 10, Con: 10, Rec: 10, End: 8)
  Level 6: Paramilitary Training (Str: 3, Con: 3, Rec: 3, End: 3)
  Level 9: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)
  Level 12: Relentless (Str: 5, Rec: 5)
  Level 15: Bodybuilder (Str: 5, End: 5)
  Level 18: Physical Conditioning (Str: 5, Con: 5)
  Level 21: Boundless Reserves (Con: 5, End: 5)
  
  Powers
  Level 1: Bestial Fury
  Level 1: Shred (Rank 2, Penetrating Strikes, Challenge!)
  Level 6: Aspect of the Bestial
  Level 8: Invulnerability (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 11: Supernatural Power
  Level 14: Venomous Breath (Paralytic Bile, Challenge!)
  Level 17: Resurgence (Rank 2)
  Level 20: Thrash (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenge!)
  Level 23: Eviscerate (Messy)
  Level 26: Antagonize (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 29: Frenzy (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenge!)
  Level 32: Unstoppable (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 35:
  Level 38:
  Adv. Points: 36/36
  
  Travel Powers
  Level 6: Athletics (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 35:
  
  Specializations
  Strength: Swole (2/3)
  Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
  Strength: Brutality (2/2)
  Strength: Juggernaut (3/3)
  Protector: Fortified Gear (3/3)
  Protector: Unrelenting (1/2)
  Protector: Bulwark (2/2)
  Protector: Debilitating Challenge (2/2)
  Protector: Resolute (2/3)
  Sentinel: Torment (2/2)
  Sentinel: Sentinel Aura (3/3)
  Sentinel: Moment of Need (3/3)
  Sentinel: Wither (2/2)
  Mastery: Sentinel Mastery (1/1)
  
  Devices
  
  
  Against mobs, Venomous Breath to spread Challenge and Sentinel Mastery, then close in to use Frenzy for better damage and bleeds. Reapply Venomous Breath for Sentinel Mastery as needed. You could opt for the poison advantage on Frenzy for theme.
  
  Against a boss, lead with Shred for the Shredded debuff and bleeds. Thrash as your main attack, with Eviscerate to keep up Shredded, bleeds, and your toggle form. Weave in a Venomous Breath tap for Sentinel Mastery, if you or your partner need a healing boost.
  
  I added a dual-passive, as going full tank can feel like defensive overkill for a lot of content. You could run with an offensive passive in Hybrid role for extra damage and a Thrash healing bonus, then flip to a defensive passive if you're getting overwhelmed. Bulwark from the Protector tree helps maintain high threat in Hybrid role. I chose Invulnerability as the defensive passive in this setup, since there's Sentinel Mastery for extra healing. I'd stick with Regeneration if you're still leveling.
  
  I always recommend a Rank 3 ground travel power, for convenience.
  
  Last two powers are open. You could bring back the lunge or self-rez, if you liked those from your original build.

  
  Hmm. This one is really nice too. I like the idea of duel passives. It's not like I'll need to be tanky all the time. I may move some of the powers around and make this a leveling build. Thank you sir

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