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Do you use Threat Reduction Mods in your builds?
lezard21
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Do you use Threat Reduction Mods in your builds? 37 votes
Yes, I use them
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No, I don't use them but I think they are useful
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No, I don't use them and think they are not useful
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That said, I think my take on -threat mods is made clear by the above: I think they're completely stupid and a waste of a valuable mod slot. If you really are generating too much threat, take a threat wipe power and/or learn some self control.
They are pointless to me
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5 people don't use the mods but think they are useful
14 people don't use the mods and think they are hot garbo or could be improved
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it just shows that they purposely make useless mods to justify they create content.
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Eh? But I can just vendor the mods, why would I buy anything?
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I mean, the real way these things reduce your threat is by knocking down your crit damage since they take up offense spots.
But, really, the MAIN thing is, there are maybe 6 dps people who can regularly pull aggro off a good tank. All of those people know what to do if they accidentally pull aggro. They also know what to do to keep from pulling aggro off a good tank. As far as I know, there are zero dps people that can consistently pull aggro off a great tank. If you are teaming with a sucky tank, you have other much worse problems than Lezard pulling aggro on his DPS. So, there are, AT MOST, 6 people who might need these mods, and they don't.
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Maybe if Threat Reduction was available in any other core slot it'd be more appealing... otherwise, I'd rather not sacrifice power output for something that a prepared tank already handles.
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I don't get why this sentence suddenly becomes ludicrous when I insert that one option. I mean, we already have "die" as one of our methods of controlling threat, why are mods more ridiculous than that?
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Is it less effective and a bigger dps loss than getting killed?
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How so?
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I take this quote from a review that I agree with.
"customisation is so linear; everyone is after the optimal dps:survivability ratio with 0 reliance on other players = autonomous gameplay... Players don't need each other anymore... which in my opinion is a bad thing."
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Archetypes can also choose to die to wipe their threat. What's your point?
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There are FFs without threat wipes too.
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Or just don't slot any mods in there to begin with. Or unslot your primary offense if you're *really* concerned for a specific fight. You won't take away threat with either method and both methods are much simpler and cheaper.
Threat reduction mods would be useful if there was a situation in which you needed to attack at the same frequency (not even for the same amount of damage, but specifically the frequency) but also have lower threat.
I can't think of a situation where that would be the case.
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To be fair, other than Green Orbs we don't have any situation where we need to attack for the amount of damage that high end dps can currently put out, so by that logic threat wipes are pointless cause everyone can just pause between power uses, thereby throttling their dps and never worry about pulling aggro - hell, everyone could just stop stacking so much Form attribute and instead stack a bunch of Con and keep their damage low enough that threat is never an issue. Like, why are we boosting our damage so high? So we have to waste a power slot on a threat wipe? Tsk.
Of course some people won't do that because that means that we would finish content slower, even if there aren't dps checks involved. So, for those people, something that allows them to keep attacking at 98% top damage rate without pulling aggro might be attractive. Now we just need to figure if there are any people like that, and how many. I'm sure if we look for people who use the word "optimal" a lot, we'll find some. Me personally I'm not one of those people, I'll happily throttle my dps so I can use that power point for something else - s'why none of my toons have a threat wipe, no point when you have a bit of patience.
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Or, as Vixy points out, you can just not attack, or attack slower. So, all threat-related stuff is dumb and pointless. We can just do less damage to not pull threat. Get rid of Confronts, threat reducers, threat wipes, and challenge advantages, it's all just noob-traps.
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As for threat wipes, that's more for when you have either already been dumb and pulled aggro, or when the tank has died from missing a block, and you're too squishy to be the secondary tank. But yes, threat wipes aren't strictly necessary; they're a luxury.
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Exactly. Can't have the tanks doing more damage than the dps.
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I doubt CorMights stack.
Also I've tanked cosmics on a ranged tank without Confronts. I think Confronts were actually meant for tank builds that might have trouble holding aggro, not tank builds that were already holding it fine without them. For some reason everyone just started using them all the time even though we don't have to.
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Hey there you go, qawsada done cracked it!
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If a Behemoth or any Tank AT wants to use the toon as a DPS he can simply NOT slot Confronts. That in itself is enough to prevent him from drawing aggro from any other tank. If he definitely never wants to Tank at all he can go a step further and NOT take Challenge advantage.
If said Behemoth or Tank AT wants to Tank sometimes, DPS sometimes and be mayonaisse other times he can take Challenge and get two sets of gear: one slotted with Confronts and one that is NOT slotted with Confronts and even that should still be enough not to pull aggro away from the main tank.
In the case of DPS AT, after the diminishing return fix on Unleashed and Fist I've never seen an AT take aggro away from a tank.
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