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  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 6,533 Arc User
    edited February 10
    rtma wrote: »
    In General reference; It's interesting how adverse/dismissive others are at understanding my messages.
    You don't have a message. You're pointing people to someone else's message.
    rtma wrote: »
    it was referring to those people that adhere blindly to science as if it was absolute, a religion, similar dogma, different system, ironic isn't it? if any of you watched the video he does explain a bit about this.
    Those people mostly don't exist, it's just a way of attacking people who don't agree with the speaker; "They don't disagree with me because I'm talking nonsense, they disagree with me because Religion of Science." Well, sorry, but usually that's a sign you're talking nonsense.
    rtma wrote: »
    I understand science is a tool to analyze the world around us, does also depend on the person using it and as fulfilling as it may seem, we been taught to accept it, embrace it, believe it
    People are not taught "believe in science". They are taught "doing this works".
    rtma wrote: »
    has anyone considered the possibility of anything else outside of that realm of this perception?
    Sure. There are plenty of things that are understood as out of scope for scientific investigation (for example, there is no scientific definition of good and evil, though given a definition science may be helpful in determining whether a particular real world action qualifies).
    rtma wrote: »
    you don't see brainwaves but you can still think
    With appropriate tools you can see quite a lot of brainwaves. We wouldn't even talk about 'brainwaves' if it weren't possible to see them.
    rtma wrote: »
    , yes science does help to clarify it but if you want something more extensive think metaphysical, energies, spirits, dreams, love, other realms/dimensions, maybe it's just a human construct, a fabrication, maybe that's what you believe or maybe not, that's the type of subject we haven't fully understood or if we ever will, it is what is is, the 9/11 "Incident" for example recorded a spike in activity when people responded to said "Incident" doesn't that indicate more then we're able to perceive? far fetched? then perhaps consider the possibility that we're all interconnected?
    If there's a detectable spike in activity, then it's an appropriate target of scientific inquiry.
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 15,872 Arc User
    The problem with the supernatural is that the moment you can prove it exists, you're also proving it was never supernatural to begin with - it was always natural. That's a problem for people who push the supernatural, because the very moment they are vindicated is also the moment they are proven wrong. Not a great position to debate from.​​
  • aesicaaesica Posts: 2,412 Arc User
    lezard21 wrote: »
    omg i believe you! to what account do i make $$$ transfer​​
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  • flyingfinnflyingfinn Posts: 8,003 Arc User
    edited February 11
    The problem with the supernatural is that the moment you can prove it exists, you're also proving it was never supernatural to begin with
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  • rtmartma Posts: 1,194 Arc User
    After some deliberation I feel inclined to reply to a few posts.
    @spinnytop @aesica @aiqa Thank you for giving me varies degree of reasonable and rational explanation along with a few others despite the digression of this topic, my apology to spinny if my perception of your psychological character is misplaced, I don't apologize for trying to be truthful, I'm using the Spiral Dynamic's video as a reference point to understanding.

    @lezard21 You seem to misconstrue the context yet again and ad hominem, you should be aware that one man/women alone isn't going to change the world for the better, people have tried, not saying not to try but the tribalism render us helpless on our own, as long as this system is used to distract us, manipulate us, exploit us, control us, how else do you think conformity works? it's a perpetuating cycle on circumstance, human nature and indoctrination but we have a choice to do this together to make change,

    I surmise people choose the easier to just label and move on but consider this one variable of many, I don't expect anything to change here, this is a gaming forums after all, so what if the context has meaning, people like to compartmentalize, return to your own interests like everyone else, it's easier that way, right? :3

    @jonsills I was making a analogy, like how do you explain colour to the blind or how do you explain music to the deaf? they have to open their eyes and ears to see and hear it themselves, before using scientific instrumentation to analyze it with meticulousness.

    @pantagruel01 "You don't have a message. You're pointing people to someone else's message."
    Aside from a few threads I have attempted to do so, living a life attempting to understand the why behind the what is (like why are we treated this way? why do they not understand me? etc), to articulate the words for communication, the world we live in, the nature of humanity, the cycle of conditioning we're subjected to and more recently the aspect of levels of consciousnesses leading upto using the Spiral Dynamic's video as a reference point to understanding.
    An analogy applies here, I show you the door, it's up to you to walk thru it.
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    I take this quote from a review that I agree with.

    "customisation is so linear; everyone is after the optimal dps:survivability ratio with 0 reliance on other players = autonomous gameplay... Players don't need each other anymore... which in my opinion is a bad thing."
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 15,872 Arc User
    You talk about tribalism, but look at all these people who disagree on a daily basis coming together to tell you that your video is a fart in a champagne glass.​​
  • rtmartma Posts: 1,194 Arc User
    edited February 19
    spinnytop wrote: »
    You talk about tribalism, but look at all these people who disagree on a daily basis coming together to tell you that your video is a fart in a champagne glass.​​

    Then their seems to be a degree of tribalism here, the conflict of perceptions/perspectives, How is this being disagreed upon? to clarify this has nothing to do with the business (Construct/Indoctrine), is this something you cannot interpret about Consciousness? because it cannot be seen outside of the actions of physical form and mass consensus considering it's only a state of being awake or asleep (Maybe it is), so it's considered useless to you? their is meaning behind the words, even if it seems philosophical/metaphysical/speculative.
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    Want to get to know me a bit better, Click me and take a read of My Dragon Profile Page, it's a bit dated but still relevant.

    I take this quote from a review that I agree with.

    "customisation is so linear; everyone is after the optimal dps:survivability ratio with 0 reliance on other players = autonomous gameplay... Players don't need each other anymore... which in my opinion is a bad thing."
  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 6,533 Arc User
    rtma wrote: »
    Then their seems to be a degree of tribalism here, the conflict of perceptions/perspectives.
    Well, we're all agreed that we aren't in your tribe, but that doesn't say anything about our tribalism.
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 15,872 Arc User
    edited February 20
    rtma wrote: »
    Then their seems to be a degree of tribalism here, the conflict of perceptions/perspectives, How is this being disagreed upon?

    So I tell you that people in this thread often disagree with each other, and to you that is an indication of tribalism? I think you don't even know what tribalism is. When people behave in a tribal manner it means they go out of their way to pretend they agree with each other for the purpose of producing the illusion of solidarity, primarily to pursue the goal of keeping the group together and defeating outside forces viewed as other tribes.

    What you'll notice in this thread is that individuals are responding to you, often in different ways. Individuals who disagree with each other on a daily basis about a myriad of topics. You're not facing tribal opposition, you're facing opposition from several individuals who have no allegiance to one another. In fact some of them quite dislike each other. It's about as opposite a tribe as you can get.
    rtma wrote: »
    to clarify this has nothing to do with the business (Construct/Indoctrine), is this something you cannot interpret about Consciousness? because it cannot be seen outside of the actions of physical form and mass consensus considering it's only a state of being awake or asleep (Maybe it is), so it's considered useless to you? their is meaning behind the words, even if it seems philosophical/metaphysical/speculative.

    You need to look up the definition of "word salad".

    Look, it's fun to imagine stuff, but you need to be able to avoid getting in your own head over it. I know you have some... stuff, that makes you more prone to doing that, but there are people that will help you learn how to avoid that sort of behavior. This sort of thing just isn't healthy. It's fine to explore these ideas, but when you become so obsessed that your reaction to those ideas being criticized is to throw out accusations of tribalism as well as disparaging remarks that only make sense in the context of the ideas that you're defending then... well, you're falling victim to the very mentality that produces tribal behaviors.​​
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