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Character using PFF - has it ever been fixed?

slowecsl4pweslowecsl4pwe Posts: 221 Arc User
A while ago, I got some build advice on this character that runs in Hybrid so it can utilize PFF and actually do some damage. I took it out against and it is prone to major spike damage. I know there was an issue surrounding PFF and how it absorbed and mitigated damage in the past. Has this ever been reworked, because I like her concept overall. She has Heroic Gear and level 6 mods so her PFF runs around 7000, I think. Thanks

Original Build running in Hybrid Mode

PowerHouse http://powerhouse.nullware.com/

Link to this build: http://powerhouse.nullware.com/powerhouse.html?v=7&n=Fey Zephad&d=1548YWTaRXPE160700474057G00340337043B037Q033C037O0565008A0314007T03QJ000ckr438W0CAT

Name: Fey Zephad

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Ego (Primary)
Level 10: Intelligence (Secondary)
Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Impulse
Level 6: Wordly
Level 9: Negotiator
Level 12: Amazing Stamina
Level 15: Academics
Level 18: Daredevil
Level 21: Quick Recovery

Powers:
Level 1: Sonic Blaster (Refraction of Sound)
Level 1: Pulse Beam Rifle (Rank 2, Finite Improbability Engine)
Level 6: Molecular Self-Assembly
Level 8: Personal Force Field (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Force Shield (Force Sheathe)
Level 14: Field Surge (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17: Support Drones (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Redirected Force (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Miniaturization Drive (Rank 2, Reciprocating Gizmo)
Level 26: Concentration
Level 29: Mini Mines (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 32: Electric Sheath
Level 35: Strafing Run (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 38: Rebirth

Travel Powers:
Level 6: Hover Disk (Rank 2)
Level 35: Athletics

Specializations:
Ego: Force of Will (2/2)
Ego: Insight (3/3)
Ego: Follow Through (3/3)
Ego: Sixth Sense (2/3)
Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Modified Gear (2/2)
Mastery: Ego Mastery (1/1)
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  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,740 Arc User
    You have to build around PFF a bit, though it can be workable depending on the level of content you are doing. It can be okay for hybrid dps in groups where others are tanking, since it can absorb occasional AoE dmg and regenerate in between (though you still want to block on top of it when you can). An example build using some Gadgeteering:

    https://aesica.net/co/herocreator.htm?v=30&n=&d=14230qbMGHPT000000710074037F0034037I03K5037G001C0e3707ER003B03K6001L0000002WID3BIR2MGB20000000000&e=

    Super Stats
    Level 6: Intelligence (Primary)
    Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
    Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

    Talents
    Level 1: The Specialist (Dex: 10, Con: 10, Int: 8, Rec: 10)
    Level 6: Covert Ops Training (Str: 3, Dex: 3, Con: 3, Int: 3)
    Level 9: Healthy Mind (Con: 5, Int: 5)
    Level 12: Acrobat (Dex: 5, Con: 5)
    Level 15: Coordinated (Dex: 5, Int: 5)
    Level 18: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 21: Negotiator (Int: 5, Rec: 5)

    Powers
    Level 1: Particle Rifle
    Level 1: Pulse Beam Rifle (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 6: Concentration
    Level 8: Personal Force Field (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 11: Sonic Boom Generator (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 14: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 17: Molecular Self-Assembly
    Level 20: Thunderstrike (Strike Down, Recharge)
    Level 23: Force Shield (Rank 2, Rank 3, Force Sheathe)
    Level 26: Masterful Dodge
    Level 29: Field Surge (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 32: Imbue
    Level 35: Thundering Return
    Level 38:
    Adv. Points: 29/36

    Travel Powers
    Level 6:
    Level 35:

    Specializations
    Intelligence: Enlightened (3/3)
    Intelligence: Tactician (2/2)
    Intelligence: Detect Vulnerability (3/3)
    Intelligence: Expertise (2/2)
    Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
    Guardian: Find the Mark (3/3)
    Guardian: The Best Defense (2/3)
    Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
    Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
    Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
    Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
    Mastery: Intelligence Mastery (1/1)

    Last few power slots can be w/e ya want.
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  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 7,091 Arc User
    It's possible to do most content using PFF, but it's also possible to do most content without a passive. The fundamental issue with PFF is that the rate at which the field regenerates is extremely low and cannot be boosted by external healing, so it basically amounts to not having a passive in any extended fight.

    Why do you want PFF? There may be other power choices that achieve what you want from your character without being saddled with the limitations of PFF.
  • slowecsl4pweslowecsl4pwe Posts: 221 Arc User
    pantagruel01, you are right. I have around 50 charachters and try to mix it up a bit when I can. Does the same go with the Regeneration in the Infernal framework?
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  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 7,091 Arc User
    edited January 2019
    pantagruel01, you are right. I have around 50 charachters and try to mix it up a bit when I can. Does the same go with the Regeneration in the Infernal framework?
    No, regeneration ramps up to somewhere around 1500 hp/3s; it's not a preferred power for main tanking cosmics (though plenty for most event cosmics) but it's good in almost all other content. Moonstruck (requires a Blood Moon perk to unlock) helps its performance but shouldn't be thought of as mandatory.
  • slowecsl4pweslowecsl4pwe Posts: 221 Arc User
    Thanks all for the information
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  • slowecsl4pweslowecsl4pwe Posts: 221 Arc User
    I guess the same goes with a tanking Power Armor build as well. Of course, like the other build this goes back a ways …

    I would like to keep her PFF if possible, and advice? Thanks

    PowerHouse http://powerhouse.nullware.com/

    Link to this build: http://powerhouse.nullware.com/powerhouse.html?v=7&amp;n=Selena Steel Mark 1&amp;d=1754baXUNQWB1a09100940G9A0D34039K0J9E089G003F039M0L3B05MB017O009S008F000DtX438W3V70

    Name: Selena Steel Mark 1

    Archetype: Freeform

    Super Stats:
    Level 6: Recovery (Primary)
    Level 10: Ego (Secondary)
    Level 15: Intelligence (Secondary)

    Talents:
    Level 1: The Scourge
    Level 6: Amazing Stamina
    Level 9: Daredevil
    Level 12: Investigator
    Level 15: Ascetic
    Level 18: Boundless Reserves
    Level 21: Wordly

    Powers:
    Level 1: Power Bolts
    Level 1: Tactical Missiles (Crippling Challenge)
    Level 6: Mini Gun (Rank 2, U-238 Rounds, Infrared Guidance System)
    Level 8: Personal Force Field (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 11: Micro Munitions (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenging Strikes)
    Level 14: Energy Shield (Phalanx Defense System)
    Level 17: Overdrive
    Level 20: Inertial Dampening Field (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 23: Plasma Beam (Rank 2, Melta Cannon, Challenging Strikes)
    Level 26: Field Surge (Rank 2, Power Swell)
    Level 29: Circle of Primal Dominion (Rank 2)
    Level 32: Miniaturization Drive
    Level 35: Implosion Engine
    Level 38: Lock N Load

    Travel Powers:
    Level 6: Jet Boots (Rank 2)
    Level 35: Hyper Ball

    Specializations:
    Recovery: Gear Utilization (3/3)
    Recovery: Rapid Recovery (2/3)
    Recovery: Staying Power (2/2)
    Recovery: Efficient (3/3)
    Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
    Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
    Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
    Protector: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Protector: Bulwark (2/2)
    Protector: Debilitating Challenge (2/2)
    Protector: Resolute (3/3)
    Mastery: Recovery Mastery (1/1)
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  • slowecsl4pweslowecsl4pwe Posts: 221 Arc User
    edited January 2019
    I have tried retooling her but not sure of the SS's. Thanks

    Selena Steel Mark 1 - Freeform (Tank)

    Link to this build: https://aesica.net/co/herocreator.htm?v=30&amp;n=Selena Steel Mark 1&amp;d=14580YRUXTWa0G00B19100950J970D9E0034039F0L9D099I0L9C009O013B048O001L00MP012WID3BIR0tak30000000000&amp;e=
    v3.27:30

    Super Stats
    Level 6: Intelligence (Primary)
    Level 10: Ego (Secondary)
    Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)

    Talents
    Level 1: The Impulse (Int: 10, Ego: 10, Rec: 8, End: 10)
    Level 6: Academics (Int: 5, Ego: 5)
    Level 9: Investigator (Int: 5, End: 5)
    Level 12: Daredevil (Ego: 5, End: 5)
    Level 15: Negotiator (Int: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 18: Worldly (Ego: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 21: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)

    Powers
    Level 1: Power Bolts
    Level 1: Dual Wrist Rocket Barrage (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenge!)
    Level 6: Mini Gun (Rank 2, U-238 Rounds, Infrared Guidance System)
    Level 8: Overdrive
    Level 11: Personal Force Field (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 14: Micro Munitions (Rank 2, Alpha Strike, Challenge!)
    Level 17: Energy Shield (Rank 2, Phalanx Defense System)
    Level 20: Plasma Beam (Rank 2, Melta Cannon, Challenge!)
    Level 23: Concentration
    Level 26: Reconstruction Circuits (Rank 2)
    Level 29: Field Surge (Power Swell)
    Level 32: Lock N Load
    Level 35: Thundering Return
    Level 38: Circle of Arcane Power (Rank 2)
    Adv. Points: 36/36

    Travel Powers
    Level 6: Lightspeed
    Level 35: Jet Boots (Rank 2)

    Specializations
    Intelligence: Enlightened (3/3)
    Intelligence: Tactician (2/2)
    Intelligence: Detect Vulnerability (3/3)
    Intelligence: Expertise (2/2)
    Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
    Guardian: Find the Mark (3/3)
    Guardian: The Best Defense (2/3)
    Protector: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Protector: Bulwark (2/2)
    Protector: Debilitating Challenge (2/2)
    Protector: Defensive Expertise (3/3)
    Mastery: Intelligence Mastery (1/1)

    Devices

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  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,740 Arc User
    Well, you've heard some of the caveats from Panta- as long as you are aware of the limits of PFF, then go ahead I guess:

    https://aesica.net/co/herocreator.htm?v=30&amp;n=Selena Steel Mark 1&amp;d=13480oMQUPTa0G10B19100970D9C0034039E009F0J9O039D093B01950JER00MP03K6001L002sid3BIR0tak30000000000&amp;e=

    Super Stats
    Level 6: Constitution (Primary)
    Level 10: Intelligence (Secondary)
    Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)

    Talents
    Level 1: The Cybernetic Warrior (Con: 10, Int: 10, Rec: 8, End: 10)
    Level 6: Healthy Mind (Con: 5, Int: 5)
    Level 9: Boundless Reserves (Con: 5, End: 5)
    Level 12: Investigator (Int: 5, End: 5)
    Level 15: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 18: Negotiator (Int: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 21: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)

    Powers
    Level 1: Power Bolts
    Level 1: Mini Gun (Rank 2, U-238 Rounds, Infrared Guidance System)
    Level 6: Concentration
    Level 8: Personal Force Field (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 11: Overdrive
    Level 14: Micro Munitions (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenge!)
    Level 17: Reconstruction Circuits (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 20: Energy Shield (Rank 2, Phalanx Defense System)
    Level 23: Field Surge (Rank 2)
    Level 26: Dual Wrist Rocket Barrage (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenge!)
    Level 29: Masterful Dodge
    Level 32: Circle of Arcane Power (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 35: Imbue
    Level 38: Thundering Return
    Adv. Points: 36/36

    Travel Powers
    Level 6: Lightspeed (Rank 2)
    Level 35: Jet Boots (Rank 2)

    Specializations
    Constitution: Unyielding (1/2)
    Constitution: Fuel My Fire (3/3)
    Constitution: Resilient (2/2)
    Constitution: Adrenaline Rush (2/2)
    Constitution: Armored (2/2)
    Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
    Guardian: Find the Mark (3/3)
    Guardian: The Best Defense (2/3)
    Protector: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Protector: Bulwark (2/2)
    Protector: Debilitating Challenge (2/2)
    Protector: Defensive Expertise (3/3)
    Mastery: Protector Mastery (1/1)

    I'd prob still take Con SS for PFF builds that wanted to tank. Resilient is pretty nice for the extra knock resist anyways.

    (You could always take a diff defensive passive if you aren't satisfied w/ PFF's performance, though in that case you may want to train it and Field Surge last to make retraining them cheaper.)
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  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 7,091 Arc User
    edited January 2019
    The basic problem with PFF is that its effective combat healing rate is about 800 hp/3s on a full health shield, declining to half that as the shield takes damage, the shield can't be replenished by other sources of healing except Field Surge (which has a 90s cd), and essentially all opposition that averages less than 800 hp/3s can be beaten without a defensive passive.
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,740 Arc User
    Yea, well there are other ways of helping PFF, but its generally just easier to take a diff passive at that point. OP is free to try it out and see if they still like PFF for the content they want to do, but I won't blame them for changing it out later.
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    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
  • slowecsl4pweslowecsl4pwe Posts: 221 Arc User
    Thanks for the update. What would be the best deff passive to take for this Power Armor build since it is ranged? Invulnerability, Regeneration? I don't really know my tanking defensive passive options well.
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  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,740 Arc User
    Defiance is fine overall for the large dmgRes boost, and is nice for the extra energy- which could be relevant if you're trying to do 3-slot PA (and you save 4 adv points from not needing to rank it). Else, Invuln and Regen are solid picks for most content, w/ Regen making self-healing more automated, and Invuln being better vs smaller and medium sized hits than Defiance. I prob wouldn't take LR w/o dodge-related powers like TKicks, and those are generally better w/ melee builds.
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  • slowecsl4pweslowecsl4pwe Posts: 221 Arc User
    I'll give Defiance a try with the build. Thank you
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  • rtmartma Posts: 1,198 Arc User
    Personal Force Field Fixed?
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    Only the devs can help it now.
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  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 7,091 Arc User
    Thanks for the update. What would be the best deff passive to take for this Power Armor build since it is ranged? Invulnerability, Regeneration? I don't really know my tanking defensive passive options well.
    Unfortunately, the mechanics of power armor toggles (they get shut off by blocking, and cannot restart until a short time after you finish blocking) make power armor tanking dubious in any high end content (it's fine if you don't need to block much).
  • slowecsl4pweslowecsl4pwe Posts: 221 Arc User
    I mainly use it for Alerts and such, and with the new build running Defiance it has performed quite well. Cosmics would be another story all together I fear. Thanks
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