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power/set/role balance outside of full set reviews

aiqaaiqa Posts: 2,620 Arc User
edited December 2018 in Suggestions Box
Balancing CO sets by just doing some set reviews hasn't worked out that well in my opinion. Some sets do fairly similar dps now, but other stuff (even when already reviewed) is still very badly balanced. A few examples that need serious work: HW dps compared to other reviewed melee sets, PA compared to other reviewed ranged sets, melee dps compared to ranged dps.

Full powerset reviews are good for introducing new synergies and such, but simple number balancing should be a more continuous work.

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  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 7,091 Arc User
    Speaking of role balancing, the hybrid ATs would make a lot more sense if the bonuses for dps roles were vastly toned down (tank role typically boosts toughness by about 10%, so reducing the bonus from 25% to 10% seems fair) and offensive passives were boosted to compensate.
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  • alexandrafreyaalexandrafreya Posts: 90 Arc User
    I also agree here there are balancing issues with current content, My PA DPS does around 8.3k DPS while my Lightning does around 5.6k And While PA has energy as it's "balancing" point that isn't really balancing it well since my energy is fine 90% of the time without a circle. (100% of the time it's fine with AoPM/AoAC)


    The same can be said with my HW DPS (Which I was able to push to 7.3k DPS on the PTS through testing) while most reviewed sets are well into 9k DPS. That is a massive difference between them.


    Of course the difference between Melee and Ranged is hugely big now, To the point that a melee in new starting gear can easily beat ranged (Outside of PA of course) DPS in top end gear.


    I'd say either there is two ways to fix this:

    Melee DPS should be brought down in line with HW and PA be brought down in line with other ranged sets.
    Or
    Ranged to be brought up in line with PA while HW brought up in line with other Melee sets.
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,467 Arc User
    edited December 2018
    When you consider the things that the powersets have other than damage the balancing makes more sense. I think some people are just too obsessed with a single function of a powerset, that being single target DPS at cosmics, and that makes it hard for them to accurately measure the scope of a set's abilities. Not all the sets have to do the exact same amount of single target damage for them to be balanced, you have to consider the entirety of the set and all of its possible synergies, not just one number. It's already been demonstrated that the whole "but everyone will only use the best single target one!" thing is no longer the case, cosmics have a lot of variety despite Dragon Claws still being what it is.

    Also the ranged vs melee disparity still makes sense. I feel it every time I switch from a ranged to a melee. Fair is fair.

    It makes sense to continue bringing underperforming sets up to the current working baseline, rather than trying to redefine the baseline halfway through. Don't switch horses midstream and all that.​​
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  • aiqaaiqa Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    What baselines are those?
  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 7,091 Arc User
    spinnytop wrote: »
    Also the ranged vs melee disparity still makes sense. I feel it every time I switch from a ranged to a melee. Fair is fair.​​
    Melee is generally better for bosses and worse for chaff. That's certainly a model for balancing, but it seems like making melee AoE better and melee ST weaker woulld be better.
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  • jebidiahbeetus#4643 jebidiahbeetus
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    Execution Shot needs a complete overhaul from damage to animation to desired effect. :|
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,467 Arc User
    edited December 2018
    pantagruel01 wrote: »
    Melee is generally better for bosses and worse for chaff.

    In some ways yes, in some ways no. Some melee sets have distinct advantages against "chaff" that ranged sets don't. Again, remember, it's not just about damage output. It's not just lowering the health bars, but how you can go about it. I know some people only care about the numbers and are blind to everything else going on around those numbers.
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  • aiqaaiqa Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited December 2018
    How you go about things are changed and decided in the set reviews. This thread is specifically about balance changes outside of set interaction and playstyles reviews.
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