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I'm currently using the Dragon's Claw build since it hasn't been changed yet. But wth, it is so OP! I mean, seriously, you can dish out 23K+ crits with just one attack and because of Steadfast+DEX+Broke FotT stacks you'll never run out of Energy. So you can just continue spamming. Makes me feel like my Str/Con dps is trash even though it can compete with most other dps.
Geez, DEX build really feels like an easy mode dps. It takes me back when Ego Surge still had a con/crit chance adv. I'm literally green with envy right now. Kinda wish that DEX(or it's Crit Chance) would be nerfed so STR can shine a little brighter.
Now I see why the majority break theme just to reach this kind of damage. Still prefer Enrage though even after the growth nerf.
Geez, DEX build really feels like an easy mode dps. It takes me back when Ego Surge still had a con/crit chance adv. I'm literally green with envy right now. Kinda wish that DEX(or it's Crit Chance) would be nerfed so STR can shine a little brighter.
Now I see why the majority break theme just to reach this kind of damage. Still prefer Enrage though even after the growth nerf.
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It's not just FC that bothers me. It's the whole Dex Focus build meta. Any melee dps can reach high dmg thanks to high crit, FotT, and literally any single target charge power. I want the devs to consider nerfing Dex a bit or buffing non-crit builds so they can be on par. I mean that's why they fixed Ego surge and Wardicator, right? For balance?
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Of course using TB is also foregoing the rush buff, lower energy cost, and the circumstances I was using TB under was also combining it with usage of Viper Claws and the Setup Spec (raises damage significantly after using combos for a while, and VC sets up shred perfectly for TB.) Just mentioning, that possibly could be more meta/generate higher DPS than just pure Dragon Claw spam.
But yeah! DC! OP! Still is ever since melee became viable in like 2011.
Perhaps they could consider lightening the DR on Ego and Str's innate dmg bonuses if they think this is a real issue, but they have to be careful w/ that dial. Imo, Dex should still remain at the top if its focus is still on supplementing raw output, but other options can ofc also be competitive in that dimension.
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I love when people who religiously use DC also point out how boring it is... shows you what some people's priorities are ;3
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Feels like your one of those Dex users who want to keep their dmg. 23k+ is often if you have the AoED buff, but that still doesn't change the fact that Dex is still real powerful on its own. Calling it "pathetic" is a laughable excuse. If it was real pathetic, then why do most top dps I see use it? No matter how you defend it, Dex is quite exploitable.
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The larger issue is that anything that gives a % instead of a rating is not effected by diminishing returns. This means most dexers are running over 50% crit as a baseline when specialization trees are taken into account.
Now when you add in abilities such as lock n load, imbue, ego surge etc you have people who are averaging out 60-70% crit chance.
This whole situation feeds right into dragon claws strength which is it’s innate critical severity and why it is vastly over performing.
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...is this an actual thing that people say? xD
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I mean, just last night I decided to bring my DC toon to Tako for funsies since I already had everything I wanted and the result was me scoring something short of 10M while the 2nd place was 4M. Unfortunately I don't have a screenshot to prove it (since you seem to be those kind of guys that demand evidence to sustain your claim, but don't provide evidence yourself for your counterarguments) since to me it was mundane, but multiple people in zone saw that and commented on that, some even claiming that I had probably been farming zombies in the zone for hours or some other insane claims, so you can just ask around.
Dragon Claws damage is completely OP in regards to the investment required to pull that damage. No need to take an advantage or anything, just r3 that baby and you are golden. You can go the extra mile and add a damage debuffer and refresher to get even more insane results like the one I mentioned above.
Steadfast is also completely broken in that the energy recovery a) scales with a damaging stat instead of an energy stat like all other sets, and b) the stat it happens to scale with is exactly the stat you need to make it proc consistently. Honest how many people do you know that use a Martial Arts powerset and take the non Steadfast EUs. The fact that I can't even remember what the hell they are called already speaks for itself.
I do agree however that Dex is a super boring stat that could use some tweaking to provide some other bonuses, but so are Recovery and Endurance. Stat revamps is something that I cannot see the dev teams working on though since it will require a lot of rebalancing of forms, passives, EUs, specs, powers, etc. which is something that's probably beyond our current dev team size.
Now the part where you claim that going full Dex is suicide and that Str is better cause it has Juggernaut...
a) Pretty sure the dex build Chaos is talking about is Str Prim with Dex stacking which is what a lot of veteran players use. Str tree does offer a lot more useful options than the Dex tree.
b) Juggernaut scales with Con, not with Str, meaning you would be giving up a LOT of damage for survivability (not only from the SS bonus, but also because you would have to take points away from Overpower/Brutality. Trust me, I've gone insane trying to work on a Str prim dual role tank that could solo Tank dino in the Tank role while not losing substantial amounts of damage on the Melee role, and the best solution I could find is getting 2 sets of gear and stacking Dex (lol) on the melee gear)
c) There are a lot of people that go Str Prim Full Dex or a mix of Dex/Str mods that end parsing 0 deaths at Cosmics, because the most determinant factor in surviving is knowing how to block. You could invest enough into Juggernaut to barely survive Cosmic AoEs without blocking but again, you'd be losing a lot of DPS for minimum benefits when everyone has the default Block at their disposal.
I'mma start doing that from now on. This is awesome.
Now towards @OP, Str Prim Dex stack is really good for MA, but does not work all that well on some powersets (I'm looking at you bestial). After the Giant Growth nerf I switched Fenrir into a Str Prim Dex Stack Melee/Str Prim Con Stack Tank FoTT and the resulting damage was lower than my current Str Prim Str Stack Enrage mostly because of time wasted unreliably applying 5 Bleed stacks with Shred. Damage would have probably been higher if had gone for Reaper's Caress but THEME!
So... when you say Dex build, are you saying that you took DEX PSS?
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Yes actually. Still pretty good even when others suggest STR PSS. The Expose Weakness is good for a crit monkey spammer.
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You see, balance is important in a game where you can pick to be anything, because if certain powersets are better than others it conditions your choice.
Lack of balance brings problems like, for example, in TERA where you had 8 different playable races and 90% of the population were Elin (aside from the pedo factor) because they had a smaller hitbox and quicker attack animations. Once that issue was fixed, the race distribution was diversified considerably.
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Some folks do take relentless over steadfast though. I guess the fact that it gives energy over time, instead of in a big clump just makes for a smoother energy curve.
I mean sure... if you ignore the fact that every powerset that has been touched has been buffed overall. Once you recognize that fact you realize that you've been chasing phantom nerfherders this entire time.
Wouldn't someone with scoreboard ego be using a DC/dex build and fighting for it to stay as is?
The answer is yes. So it's funny how that's you atm.
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Something is OP
I say it's OP (or maybe I don't, plenty of stuff I don't notice and/or comment on).
It gets nerfed (sometimes months or years later).
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I have way easier time with power armor getting 24k + consistantly but it has a set up time
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