> @gigabear#4407 said: > poptartmaniac#8493 wrote: » > > however not surprised if a player knowingly finds out a certain aura lags or crashes people and uses it to cause said effect on others. > > > > > Indeed, it is a sad state of affairs but this sort of thing does happen in MMOs. This falls well into griefing territory. If I had any suspicion any of the auras I had been running did anything other than make me look like a mobile sun I wouldn't have set them up. > > And even then, I'm not running them for the most part, and when I do it tends to not be with magnifier. I actually like seeing the chrome of my suit most of the time.
Get yourself a lifetime subscription and switch to millennial flight if you wanna be the sun.
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> Indeed, it is a sad state of affairs but this sort of thing does happen in MMOs. This falls well into griefing territory. If I had any suspicion any of the auras I had been running did anything other than make me look like a mobile sun I wouldn't have set them up.
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> And even then, I'm not running them for the most part, and when I do it tends to not be with magnifier. I actually like seeing the chrome of my suit most of the time.
Get yourself a lifetime subscription and switch to millennial flight if you wanna be the sun.
I think you can buy millenial flight in the Z-store.
Buffing everything to stupid high levels and nerfing everything to piss poor levels yields the same results, but not the same community reactions.
Ya know, guys, it's not the size of your hero that's important - it's how you use it that counts...
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
But you've already quit the game before any of these changes had even been announced. What kind of drama are you trying to stir in this here serious topic -3-
Steam says I have over 4k hours of play time, I've attended various cosmic over these years, I've been rping too, I've been hanging out with the community close enough to know a few things and engaged in costume contests, the game has not changed that much since I left
I'm not putting any drama on this and I think my opinion is still valid, my point was letting people know that this is actually something that matters, it affects a part of the (already small) community we have in the game, you can't just forget about them.
no drama on any of this whatsoever
Just another reptile lover, known in game as @nacito
This is a big journey, so far if you're reading this, wish you a good day
But you've already quit the game before any of these changes had even been announced. What kind of drama are you trying to stir in this here serious topic -3-
I have a question since it isn't clear exactly what you are saying: How does quitting the game prior to the announcement of these changes matter in regards to his post?
Are you trying to say that he has no reason to share his opinion on the topic? Are you trying to say that he doesn't have a right to share his opinion because he is not affected by the changes?
In any case, his post deserves better than to be seen for something that exists to stir up drama especially because it is far from doing such. He doesn't do other than explain the significance of the topic and share a bit of his feelings and the consequences of the changes he had seen.
Because it came up earlier, I want to comment on graphical lag. Simply put, framerate issues caused by running higher settings than your GPU can handle are not really something other players can, or should, be expected to adapt to. Auras exist to allow players to appear flashy among other reasons and using them to do so is not in any way unintended.
The cost to render an aura is dependent on the size of the aura. Unless you make auras not scale with body size, which is possible but looks terrible, certain types of auras on large targets are inevitably costly. The experience of people dropping to less than 1 frame per second while fighting the bleak harbinger in lemurian invasion is why cosmic scale enemies were modified to not show power FX.
I think it's weird that someone's reason for quitting would be "I can't make large characters anymore". Primarily because you can still make large characters.
The feature hasn't been removed, you can still make very large characters. I wonder if you had never been able to attain the previous sizes, would you not even be making a fuss about this? Or would you be the guy constantly demanding new growth things and then getting upset when the devs say no? Or would you have not played CO at all because character sizes don't pass some sort of minimum threshold you have... of course that would be silly because such a minimum threshold isn't really met in the vast majority of games.
Ehhhh, I doubt the large sizes would bring any significant influx of players if it's not coupled with a constant influx of new content. But that's just me.
But you've already quit the game before any of these changes had even been announced. What kind of drama are you trying to stir in this here serious topic -3-
Steam says I have over 4k hours of play time, I've attended various cosmic over these years, I've been rping too, I've been hanging out with the community close enough to know a few things and engaged in costume contests, the game has not changed that much since I left
I'm not putting any drama on this and I think my opinion is still valid, my point was letting people know that this is actually something that matters, it affects a part of the (already small) community we have in the game, you can't just forget about them.
But you've already quit the game before any of these changes had even been announced. What kind of drama are you trying to stir in this here serious topic -3-
I have a question since it isn't clear exactly what you are saying: How does quitting the game prior to the announcement of these changes matter in regards to his post?
Are you trying to say that he has no reason to share his opinion on the topic? Are you trying to say that he doesn't have a right to share his opinion because he is not affected by the changes?
In any case, his post deserves better than to be seen for something that exists to stir up drama especially because it is far from doing such. He doesn't do other than explain the significance of the topic and share a bit of his feelings and the consequences of the changes he had seen.
Answering both in one:
Not at all, your points were very valid, however I do not see the point of trying to add weight to your already valid points by lieing about them being the reason why you quit the game.
Kinda like how that guy in the other topic who wants to have some new stances for his toon was trying to give further weight to his cause by saying it was cause "inclusion or sth".
If anything, not being honest only ends up awakening some skepticism on the reader that ends up hurting your argument more than supporting it.
Ironically the closest I came to selling Champions was a tweet about VEXX's character and other such concepts only being possible in a game which supported size increasing as a valid playstyle.
I don't get how size increasing is a playstyle. It has no bearing on gameplay, other than potentially annoying other players. I make a lot of tiny girl characters, but that's not my playstyle. If anything large characters would be an aesthetic. Similar to what Lezard posted right before me, you're not adding anymore weight to your argument by calling large characters a playstyle as if this is now a gameplay issue. It's not a playstyle, and it's not a gameplay issue.
On the other hand, there are gameplay issues involved here, but those effect the people around the giant character, not the giant character themselves.
How is being titanic a "playstyle"? In what way does it affect your character's abilities? (Other than your character's ability to annoy other players, of course - but you can do that at any size, if you really want to...)
And why is it so very important that you be bigger than anyone else? Is this some sort of compensation issue?
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
@gigabear#4407Oh hi there, don't know if you recognize me before, I like growth/growing to but Champions Online only accommodates so much, I'd like to see some sort of Giant Growth Aura(Adversely Shrinker with Super Magnifier and Shrinker accordingly, some sort of device swap could work?) that gives permanent Giant growth the equivalent of 8 Stacks of Enrage (Toggling it from the form so you can't stack, Being reasonable here), would love to give it to those that would be bigger then your average big guy and also those that don't use Enrage in their build, I doubt it's gonna happen anytime soon or at all, but I'm glad what CO has offered over the years in expressing my Dragon's, despite the variables, with all these tweaks and revamps over the last couple of years their is still hope.
I take this quote from a review that I agree with.
"customisation is so linear; everyone is after the optimal dps:survivability ratio with 0 reliance on other players = autonomous gameplay... Players don't need each other anymore... which in my opinion is a bad thing."
Didn't I JUST say #3. I mean, I'm pretty sure I did. Oh, and for some they do lag them, auras can cause lag on large entities, wonder why they took away power effect scaling/intensity
Rebutted. We can stop saying this now, as it is not true. Not that people will, but I'm not commenting further. I've done my due diligence.
All I am going to say on this is this: This worked fine for you, because your computer and internet connection could handle it. Not everyone has your computer and/or internet connection that can handle it, thus, not everyone will be able to handle this stuff.
It is like how I view bugs and other issues in a game. Many time I see people complaining about a bug, that I have not once experienced. But, I have a saying on that: Just because I do not experience the bug/issue, doesn't mean it doesn't exist and just because I do experience a bug/issue doesn't mean everyone experiences it.
You should take that saying to heart about stuff like this.
So far he won't take the developers' word for it and keeps pushing that since it doesn't affect him, the problem doesn't exist, and if it does, it's because your computer is under spec. He won't even consider that it could cause issues other than visible, framerate-related ones.
So basically yes, this is a compensation issue. "Mine is bigger and better than yours!"
Carry on. I'll just keep on playing heroes like Short Circuit (4' 6", because the Creator won't let me make him any smaller) and Weapon Xmas (a canon 5' 2", thank you very much).
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
So far he won't take the developers' word for it and keeps pushing that since it doesn't affect him, the problem doesn't exist, and if it does, it's because your computer is under spec. He won't even consider that it could cause issues other than visible, framerate-related ones.
In short, he wants to believe that it doesn't work that way, even though, it does.
After all, if we are to go by personal examples, I have one. My computer and internet connection are both rather good. So, one day, I wanted to show off to my friend, who does not have that great of an internet connect (his loading times are roughly two times longer than mine), but, he computer is still decent enough that he can run the game at high settings while still getting 60 fps. So, I showed off to him eight auras, all the same ones, one of the more flashy full body ones, in eight different colors. And while he did not lose fps when he looked at me, he still got lag from looking at me, his FPS did not go down, his computer did not slow down, but, yet, he still got lag. The second I turned off my auras, his game started behaving normally. And looking at the internet connection at the time, it was obvious that the servers were trying to send more information to his computer than his connection would allow.
This guy, does not understand that your internet connection does have limits on your download and upload speeds, and if your download speed is not up to the task, regardless of how awesome your compute ris, you will suffer lag. This goes in line with my saying about bugs/issues. But, gigabear, doesn't want to recognize this fact.
So basically yes, this is a compensation issue. "Mine is bigger and better than yours!"
Carry on. I'll just keep on playing heroes like Short Circuit (4' 6", because the Creator won't let me make him any smaller) and Weapon Xmas (a canon 5' 2", thank you very much).
While 4'6" is the shortest you can set yourself to, you can lower the length of your legs to be shorter. But, I am guessing you already know this and do this.
So far he won't take the developers' word for it and keeps pushing that since it doesn't affect him, the problem doesn't exist, and if it does, it's because your computer is under spec. He won't even consider that it could cause issues other than visible, framerate-related ones.
In short, he wants to believe that it doesn't work that way, even though, it does.
After all, if we are to go by personal examples, I have one. My computer and internet connection are both rather good. So, one day, I wanted to show off to my friend, who does not have that great of an internet connect (his loading times are roughly two times longer than mine), but, he computer is still decent enough that he can run the game at high settings while still getting 60 fps. So, I showed off to him eight auras, all the same ones, one of the more flashy full body ones, in eight different colors. And while he did not lose fps when he looked at me, he still got lag from looking at me, his FPS did not go down, his computer did not slow down, but, yet, he still got lag. The second I turned off my auras, his game started behaving normally. And looking at the internet connection at the time, it was obvious that the servers were trying to send more information to his computer than his connection would allow.
This guy, does not understand that your internet connection does have limits on your download and upload speeds, and if your download speed is not up to the task, regardless of how awesome your compute ris, you will suffer lag. This goes in line with my saying about bugs/issues. But, gigabear, doesn't want to recognize this fact.
Interesting. I will say to gigabear, if you want the devs to take you seriously . . . this isn't how you go about it. Just my advice.
Ofcourse as has been shown you'll do whatever nonsense you want, no matter how much it might hurt your case.
So far he won't take the developers' word for it and keeps pushing that since it doesn't affect him, the problem doesn't exist, and if it does, it's because your computer is under spec. He won't even consider that it could cause issues other than visible, framerate-related ones.
Developer's word for what? Have they commented on any issues caused by auras? So far the only thing it could be argued developers have said in reference to any issue being argued here is being as big as what was in some screenshots could be an issue, but of course I conceded that long ago. So there's no argument there.
As far as auras, I did my due diligence and ran tests. If those had shown the aura code had issues, I would be acknowledging the problem readily. But they didn't.
Speculating there "may be an issue" while presenting nothing at all to support that claim isn't really an argument, It's wild speculation in search of a problem.
So basically yes, this is a compensation issue. "Mine is bigger and better than yours!"
I see the time I spent attempting to offer my perspective was, as expected, completely wasted on you as your mind is already 100% made up. Still, I did try and consider it worth the effort.
I mean...if you read the forums you'd have seen this, again, it's why power FX don't scale w/targets.
Buffing everything to stupid high levels and nerfing everything to piss poor levels yields the same results, but not the same community reactions.
Gotta love new people who wanna tell everyone else how things are. Screw your years of experience and knowledge everyone, I took a screenshot of my framerate!
MMOS can get boring pretty easily. What I like to do is break up that tedium and give players something they don't see every day. I'm new here, and do not have nearly the tools I did in WoW, but I'll get better as I go on. It's going to be fun I'm sure.
Oh and on this, you're just being silly. We see giant characters every day. Vexx spends a good amount of his day standing in rencen being big and fluffy. As far as "seeing something we don't see everyday" other people are doing that way better than you. Like bumburger. You look like a generic potato next to him. This benevolent service you think you're providing? You're not.
You are causing massive lag with your auras combined with the growth bs. Friends and i were discussing your antics the other day and came to the conclusion, that you're mainly doing it where / when people are duelling. Your behavior could be considered griefing and i'd be careful with that, since it may backfire.
Looks like the issue has been resolved. Growth has been limited somewhat, and the devs have both heard and responded to feedback.
Think it's time to move on.
not defending gigabear here, but should I then turn off all my auras and costume FX just because someone has a computer/internet connection worse than mine?
I mean, thats unfair, i had a laptop that would crash when someone used epidemic and i didnt complain cuz it wasn't their fault, i was running graphics on high i should have run on low. and even if it crashed the game on low, it still woudn't be their fault if i had potato pc/internet
thats like shutting down cosmics completely because 1 or 2 people can't play them due to lag issues.
And you now as I said earlier in this thread before my post got deleted for whatever reason.
I understand gigabear's concerns, however there is better ways he could go about it, same with the people arguing I understand their points but there's also better ways to go about it.
but civil arguments are too much to ask for so I won't bother.
still, i hope u can find a solution for gigabear to be happy, a solution that does not cause lag or issues or affect anyone negatively. because i know our engine is fairly broken and stuff, so i get it
If I hadn't done what I did, including forcing design changes (...) Then in six months or so we'd be lamenting the nerfing of super magnifier into the ground and the death of a playstyle.
You should have warned us when this thread started that we were dealing with a time traveling future wizard.
Not only can you predict what other posters are going to say, but also you can now see the timelines in which super magnifier was not nerfed and take the actions to make sure that happens
First, I'm overjoyed you have cited others engaging vigorously in the playstyle you claimed a few posts back didn't exist.
I didn't claim it didn't exist, what I showed was that it isn't a playstyle. And it's still not. You're still basically the same as someone crying that there aren't enough tiny hats.
Every time you try to misrepresent something that someone else said, we all see it. You're old news around here.
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> poptartmaniac#8493 wrote: »
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> however not surprised if a player knowingly finds out a certain aura lags or crashes people and uses it to cause said effect on others.
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> Indeed, it is a sad state of affairs but this sort of thing does happen in MMOs. This falls well into griefing territory. If I had any suspicion any of the auras I had been running did anything other than make me look like a mobile sun I wouldn't have set them up.
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> And even then, I'm not running them for the most part, and when I do it tends to not be with magnifier. I actually like seeing the chrome of my suit most of the time.
Get yourself a lifetime subscription and switch to millennial flight if you wanna be the sun.
I think you can buy millenial flight in the Z-store.
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Steam says I have over 4k hours of play time, I've attended various cosmic over these years, I've been rping too, I've been hanging out with the community close enough to know a few things and engaged in costume contests, the game has not changed that much since I left
I'm not putting any drama on this and I think my opinion is still valid, my point was letting people know that this is actually something that matters, it affects a part of the (already small) community we have in the game, you can't just forget about them.
no drama on any of this whatsoever
This is a big journey, so far if you're reading this, wish you a good day
I have a question since it isn't clear exactly what you are saying: How does quitting the game prior to the announcement of these changes matter in regards to his post?
Are you trying to say that he has no reason to share his opinion on the topic? Are you trying to say that he doesn't have a right to share his opinion because he is not affected by the changes?
In any case, his post deserves better than to be seen for something that exists to stir up drama especially because it is far from doing such. He doesn't do other than explain the significance of the topic and share a bit of his feelings and the consequences of the changes he had seen.
Epic Stronghold
Block timing explained
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Answering both in one:
Not at all, your points were very valid, however I do not see the point of trying to add weight to your already valid points by lieing about them being the reason why you quit the game.
Kinda like how that guy in the other topic who wants to have some new stances for his toon was trying to give further weight to his cause by saying it was cause "inclusion or sth".
If anything, not being honest only ends up awakening some skepticism on the reader that ends up hurting your argument more than supporting it.
I don't get how size increasing is a playstyle. It has no bearing on gameplay, other than potentially annoying other players. I make a lot of tiny girl characters, but that's not my playstyle. If anything large characters would be an aesthetic. Similar to what Lezard posted right before me, you're not adding anymore weight to your argument by calling large characters a playstyle as if this is now a gameplay issue. It's not a playstyle, and it's not a gameplay issue.
On the other hand, there are gameplay issues involved here, but those effect the people around the giant character, not the giant character themselves.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
And why is it so very important that you be bigger than anyone else? Is this some sort of compensation issue?
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I take this quote from a review that I agree with.
"customisation is so linear; everyone is after the optimal dps:survivability ratio with 0 reliance on other players = autonomous gameplay... Players don't need each other anymore... which in my opinion is a bad thing."
All I am going to say on this is this: This worked fine for you, because your computer and internet connection could handle it. Not everyone has your computer and/or internet connection that can handle it, thus, not everyone will be able to handle this stuff.
It is like how I view bugs and other issues in a game. Many time I see people complaining about a bug, that I have not once experienced. But, I have a saying on that: Just because I do not experience the bug/issue, doesn't mean it doesn't exist and just because I do experience a bug/issue doesn't mean everyone experiences it.
You should take that saying to heart about stuff like this.
Carry on. I'll just keep on playing heroes like Short Circuit (4' 6", because the Creator won't let me make him any smaller) and Weapon Xmas (a canon 5' 2", thank you very much).
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In short, he wants to believe that it doesn't work that way, even though, it does.
After all, if we are to go by personal examples, I have one. My computer and internet connection are both rather good. So, one day, I wanted to show off to my friend, who does not have that great of an internet connect (his loading times are roughly two times longer than mine), but, he computer is still decent enough that he can run the game at high settings while still getting 60 fps. So, I showed off to him eight auras, all the same ones, one of the more flashy full body ones, in eight different colors. And while he did not lose fps when he looked at me, he still got lag from looking at me, his FPS did not go down, his computer did not slow down, but, yet, he still got lag. The second I turned off my auras, his game started behaving normally. And looking at the internet connection at the time, it was obvious that the servers were trying to send more information to his computer than his connection would allow.
This guy, does not understand that your internet connection does have limits on your download and upload speeds, and if your download speed is not up to the task, regardless of how awesome your compute ris, you will suffer lag. This goes in line with my saying about bugs/issues. But, gigabear, doesn't want to recognize this fact.
While 4'6" is the shortest you can set yourself to, you can lower the length of your legs to be shorter. But, I am guessing you already know this and do this.
Interesting. I will say to gigabear, if you want the devs to take you seriously . . . this isn't how you go about it. Just my advice.
Ofcourse as has been shown you'll do whatever nonsense you want, no matter how much it might hurt your case.
Have fun.
I mean...if you read the forums you'd have seen this, again, it's why power FX don't scale w/targets.
42 40s, LTSer.
Oh and on this, you're just being silly. We see giant characters every day. Vexx spends a good amount of his day standing in rencen being big and fluffy. As far as "seeing something we don't see everyday" other people are doing that way better than you. Like bumburger. You look like a generic potato next to him. This benevolent service you think you're providing? You're not.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
Think it's time to move on.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
K, this is no longer amusing
I mean, thats unfair, i had a laptop that would crash when someone used epidemic and i didnt complain cuz it wasn't their fault, i was running graphics on high i should have run on low. and even if it crashed the game on low, it still woudn't be their fault if i had potato pc/internet
thats like shutting down cosmics completely because 1 or 2 people can't play them due to lag issues.
I understand gigabear's concerns, however there is better ways he could go about it, same with the people arguing I understand their points but there's also better ways to go about it.
but civil arguments are too much to ask for so I won't bother.
still, i hope u can find a solution for gigabear to be happy, a solution that does not cause lag or issues or affect anyone negatively. because i know our engine is fairly broken and stuff, so i get it
You should have warned us when this thread started that we were dealing with a time traveling future wizard.
Not only can you predict what other posters are going to say, but also you can now see the timelines in which super magnifier was not nerfed and take the actions to make sure that happens
Where were you when the avengers needed you most?
I didn't claim it didn't exist, what I showed was that it isn't a playstyle. And it's still not. You're still basically the same as someone crying that there aren't enough tiny hats.
Every time you try to misrepresent something that someone else said, we all see it. You're old news around here.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
You are right, it does tell me something