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Ice Archetypes build advice please

criswolf09criswolf09 Posts: 759 Arc User
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Well I made two heroes using the Ice ATs, both I know they haven't been updated yet because Ice hasn't received a powerset review like Fire or Electricity. So, here's what I need advice on, how do these builds look? Thematically and mechanic wise, I find the Icicle the best candidate to make use of Shatter to destroy Ice Objects, while the Glacier is better at slowing and holding aggro, well... that's what I want mine to be.

Icicle AT Build - The Icicle

Link to this build: http://aesica.net/co/herocreator?v=29&n=Icicle AT Build&d=62830i7KaPLG0630815000510C52035703540058005E0759055A0056035B052E03000000000mUB03tr438W
v2.4.2-29

Super Stats
Level 6: Dexterity (Primary)
Level 10: Endurance (Secondary)
Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Chiller (Dex: 10, Con: 10, Rec: 8, End: 10)
Level 7: Tireless (Rec: 8)
Level 12: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 15: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)
Level 20: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 25: Accurate (Dex: 5, End: 5)
Level 30: Acrobat (Dex: 5, Con: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Ice Shards (advantages)
Level 1: Ice Blast (Hard Frost, Frost Bite)
Level 6: Shatter (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Ice Form (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Wall of Ice (advantages)
Level 14: Chilled Form (advantages)
Level 17: Icicle Spear (Rank 2, Rank 3, Freezer Burn)
Level 21: Ice Shield (Rank 2, Frigid Air)
Level 25: Icy Embrace
Level 30: Ice Sheath (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Ice Burst (Rank 2, Freeze, Dirtbag)
Level 40: Rimefire Burst (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Adv. Points: 36/36

Travel Powers
Level 6: Athletics (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Ice Slide (Rank 2)

Specializations
Dexterity: Combat Training (2/3)
Dexterity: Gear Utilization (3/3)
Dexterity: Deadly Aim (3/3)
Dexterity: Expose Weakness (2/2)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: The Rush of Battle (2/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
Mastery: Dexterity Mastery (1/1)

Glacier AT Build - The Glacier

Link to this build: http://aesica.net/co/herocreator?v=29&n=Glacier AT Build&d=93850O7PaWNQ0410835000511F55049A03530LA800560359055A009K005D035F0J000000002shq3BIR3V70
v2.4.2-29

Super Stats
Level 6: Constitution (Primary)
Level 10: Endurance (Secondary)
Level 15: Ego (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Glacier (Dex: 8, Con: 10, Int: 10, End: 10)
Level 7: Tireless (Rec: 8)
Level 12: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 15: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)
Level 20: Worldly (Ego: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 25: Ascetic (Con: 5, Ego: 5)
Level 30: Boundless Reserves (Con: 5, End: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Ice Shards (advantages)
Level 1: Ice Blast (Hard Frost, Frost Bite, Challenge!)
Level 6: Ice Cage (Sub-Zero Cellblock)
Level 8: Invulnerability (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Frost Breath (Rank 2, Frost Bite, Challenge!)
Level 14: Concentration (advantages)
Level 17: Ice Sheath (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 21: Ice Shield (Rank 2, Frigid Air)
Level 25: Icy Embrace
Level 30: Unbreakable (advantages)
Level 35: Ice Barrier (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 40: Avalanche (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenge!)
Adv. Points: 36/36

Travel Powers
Level 6: Acrobatics (Rank 2)
Level 35: Ice Slide (Rank 2, Rank 3)

Specializations
Constitution: Unyielding (2/2)
Constitution: Fuel My Fire (2/3)
Constitution: Resilient (2/2)
Constitution: Adrenaline Rush (2/2)
Constitution: Armored (2/2)
Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
Guardian: Find the Mark (3/3)
Guardian: The Best Defense (2/3)
Protector: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Protector: Bulwark (2/2)
Protector: Debilitating Challenge (2/2)
Protector: Resolute (3/3)
Mastery: Protector Mastery (1/1)
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Comments

  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,859 Arc User
    If you really want to try Shatter on the AT, then I guess you could tweak it to this:

    (Unnamed Build) - The Icicle
    v2.4.2-29

    Super Stats
    Level 6: Dexterity (Primary)
    Level 10: Endurance (Secondary)
    Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

    Talents
    Level 1: The Chiller (Dex: 10, Con: 10, Rec: 8, End: 10)
    Level 7: Acrobat (Dex: 5, Con: 5)
    Level 12: Boundless Reserves (Con: 5, End: 5)
    Level 15: Accurate (Dex: 5, End: 5)
    Level 20: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 25: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 30: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)

    Powers
    Level 1: Ice Shards (advantages)
    Level 1: Ice Blast (Hard Frost, Frost Bite)
    Level 6: Shatter (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 8: Ice Form (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 11: Wall of Ice (advantages)
    Level 14: Chilled Form (advantages)
    Level 17: Icicle Spear (Rank 2, Rank 3, Freezer Burn)
    Level 21: Ice Shield (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 25: Icy Embrace
    Level 30: Ice Sheath (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 35: Frost Breath (Rank 2, Frost Bite)
    Level 40: Rimefire Burst (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Adv. Points: 33/36

    Travel Powers
    Level 6:
    Level 35:

    Specializations
    Dexterity: Gear Utilization (3/3)
    Dexterity: Power Swell (2/2)
    Dexterity: Deadly Aim (3/3)
    Dexterity: Expose Weakness (2/2)
    Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
    Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
    Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
    Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
    Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
    Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
    Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
    Mastery: Dexterity Mastery (1/1)

    Frost Breath and Wall of Ice can help put up Chill and Ice Objects, while Ice Blast and Ice Spear are more for single-target dps.

    -

    The Glacier build is okay, though I'd prob just get R3 of the block, and maybe rank Unbreakable over some other things, like the AO. I'd prob also get R2 + Hard Frost for Ice Blast, since the Glacier lacks Ice Spear, and you have FBreath taps to put up or refresh Chill. I may also get Defensive Expertise in Protector.
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  • criswolf09criswolf09 Posts: 759 Arc User
    Thanks flow, your advice is always appreciated. It helped me figure out those little details that can improve my builds.
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  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 7,091 Arc User
    I will advise that ice slide is the travel power that loves to kill you.
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  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,859 Arc User
    pantagruel01 said:

    I will advise that ice slide is the travel power that loves to kill you.

    heh, I find those sliding powers to be annoying. Would be nice to maybe have a more glacial_translucent version of Earth Flight or something.
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  • sundevil3sundevil3 Posts: 48 Arc User
    @flowcyto
    Just curious--why Constitution as a secondary? Since this is a DPS build, why not Intelligence to reduce energy costs, or Recovery to increase energy gain and equilibrium?
  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 7,091 Arc User
    sundevil3 said:

    Just curious--why Constitution as a secondary?

    Because it's an archetype and those are the superstats for that archetype.
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    Epic Stronghold
    Block timing explained
  • sundevil3sundevil3 Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited April 2018
    pantagruel01 said:

    sundevil3 said:

    Just curious--why Constitution as a secondary?

    Because it's an archetype and those are the superstats for that archetype.
    Oh, sorry, I thought silver players could choose their superstats. I've always been a spoiled gold player. :)

    So I guess my question is: does the Con superstat bring anything to the build other than extra health? As far as I can tell, no ice powers are boosted by Con.
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,859 Arc User
    Con SS gives it more survival power while still contributing to dps via being an SS. Con SS for a dps AT, imo, is somewhat more welcome since they usually have less defensive tools available.

    DEX/End/Con is actually a pretty good SS setup for an Ice dps using Chilled Form and Icy Embrace- one I may stick to even if it were an FF (that or EGO/End/Con; INT/Dex/Con or INT/End/Con can also work w/ DVuln but have to switch to Concentration). But I don't normally make glass cannons myself, so its also a personal choice.
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    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
  • sundevil3sundevil3 Posts: 48 Arc User
    flowcyto said:

    Con SS gives it more survival power while still contributing to dps via being an SS. Con SS for a dps AT, imo, is somewhat more welcome since they usually have less defensive tools available.

    DEX/End/Con is actually a pretty good SS setup for an Ice dps using Chilled Form and Icy Embrace- one I may stick to even if it were an FF (that or EGO/End/Con; INT/Dex/Con or INT/End/Con can also work w/ DVuln but have to switch to Concentration). But I don't normally make glass cannons myself, so its also a personal choice.

    What is DVuln?
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,859 Arc User
    Detect Vulnerability in Int PSS.
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