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The Toggled Form Revamp Suggestion

deadman20deadman20 Posts: 1,516 Arc User
edited July 2018 in Suggestions Box
Let's be honest, toggled forms are becoming too stale. A majority of them simply just boost Ranged or Melee damage. And most of the new forms rely on harder conditions to fulfill than the earlier forms. The goal of this suggestion is to give all of the forms a unique place and situation where they are all viable, as well as adding possible new forms for the future.

I will be organizing this via powersets and splitting posts for each set type (Projector, Technology, Martial Arts, Mentalist, Brick, Mystical). And yes, some forms already available might not be changed.


-Energy Projector-

Electricity

Power Source
*Triggered when applying, utilizing or consuming Negative Ions
*Scales with Endurance or Recovery
+Form primarily boosts Ranged Damage
+Form secondarily boosts Crowd Control Magnitude

Static Field
*Triggered when applying Negative Ions or when creating an Arc
*Scales with Endurance or Recovery
+Form primarily boosts Ranged Damage
+Form secondarily boosts Ranged Damage Resistance

Fire

Fiery Will
*Triggered when applying a Burning Effect
*Scales with Endurance or Recovery
+Form primarily boosts Ranged Damage
+Form secondarily boosts Melee Damage

Smoldering
*Triggered when applying a Burning Effect
*Scales with Endurance or Recovery
+Form primarily boosts Healing Strength
+Form secondarily boosts Ranged Damage

Force

Inertial Dampening Field
*Triggered when the user's Shielding effects take damage
*Scales with Endurance or Ego
+Form primarily boosts Shielding Strength
+Form secondarily boosts Ranged Damage

Applied Force
*Triggered when attempting to Knock a target
*Scales with Endurance or Ego
+Form primarily boosts Ranged Damage
+Form secondarily boosts Energy Strength

Wind

Front
*Triggered when attempting to Repel a target
*Scales with Recovery or Dexterity
+Form primarily boosts Ranged Damage
+Form secondarily boosts Ranged Damage Resistance

Ice

Chilled Form
*Triggered when applying or consuming Chill on targets or by Critically hitting targets affected by Chill
*Scales with Dexterity or Endurance
+Form primarily boosts Ranged Damage
+Form secondarily boosts the overall Resistance of Ice Objects​​
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  • deadman20deadman20 Posts: 1,516 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    -Technology-

    Archery

    Eagle Eye
    *Triggered when charging a power at least halfway that applies to a target at least 25 Feet away
    *Scales with Dexterity or Intelligence
    +Form primarily boosts Ranged Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Crowd Control Magnitude

    Gadgeteering

    Scientific Application
    *Triggered when powers come off of Cooldown
    *Scales with Intelligence
    +Form equally boosts Crowd Control Magnitude and Healing Strength

    Munitions

    Sharp Shooter
    *Triggered when applying or refreshing Furious or when dealing critical damage while affected by Furious
    *Scales with Dexterity
    +Form primarily boosts Ranged Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Melee Damage

    Powered Armor

    Reactive Armor
    *Triggered when Toggled Powers end or when receiving damage from at least 25 feet away
    *Scales with Intelligence or Endurance
    +Form primarily boosts Ranged Damage Resistance
    +Form secondarily boosts Ranged Damage

    Overclocked Servos
    *Triggered when Toggled Powers begin
    *Scales with Intelligence or Endurance
    +Form primarily boosts Ranged Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Energy Strength

    Laser Sword

    Particle Accelerator
    *Triggered when applying, refreshing or rupturing a Radiation effect
    *Scales with Intelligence
    +Form primarily boosts Melee Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Ranged Damage​​
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  • deadman20deadman20 Posts: 1,516 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    -Martial Arts-

    Dual Blades

    Form of the Tempest
    *Triggered when hitting multiple targets within 25 Feet or when Critically Striking
    *Scales with Dexterity
    +Form primarily boosts Melee Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Energy Strength

    Single Blade

    Form of the Swordsman
    *Triggered when applying, refreshing or rupturing Bleeding
    *Scales with Dexterity
    +Form primarily boosts Melee Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Ranged Damage

    Fencing Stance
    *Triggered when finishing a combo or dodging
    *Scales with Dexterity
    +Form primarily boosts Melee Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Avoidance Rating

    Fighting Claws

    Form of the Tiger
    *Triggered when charging a melee power halfway or lunging at a target from at least 25 feet
    *Scales with Dexterity
    +Form primarily boosts Melee Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Crowd Control Resistance

    Unarmed Martial Arts

    Form of the Master
    *Triggered when applying a Chi Energy Effect
    *Scales with Dexterity
    +Form primarily boosts Melee Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Knock Resistance​​
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  • deadman20deadman20 Posts: 1,516 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    -Mentalist-

    Telekinesis

    Mental Discipline
    *Triggered when applying a Mental State
    *Scales with Dexterity or Ego
    +Form primarily boosts Melee Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Ranged Damage

    Mental Precision
    *Triggered when applying a Mental State
    *Scales with Dexterity or Ego
    +Form primarily boosts Ranged Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Melee Damage

    Telepathy

    Mental Domination
    *Triggered when applying a Mental State or applying a Crowd Control Effect
    *Scales with Intelligence or Ego
    +Form primarily boosts Crowd Control Magnitude
    +Form secondarily boosts Ranged Damage

    Empathy
    *Triggered when healing damage or applying a Mental State
    *Scales with Intelligence or Presence
    +Form primarily boosts Healing Strength
    +Form secondarily boosts Ranged Damage​​
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  • deadman20deadman20 Posts: 1,516 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    -Brick-

    Heavy Weapons

    Battlefront
    *Triggered when attempting to Knock a target or charging a melee attack halfway
    *Scales with Strength or Endurance
    +Form primarily boosts Melee Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Knock Resistance

    Warrior's Spirit
    *Triggered when charging a heal or melee attack at least halfway or healing an ally within 25 feet
    *Scales with Strength or Presence
    +Form primarily boosts Melee Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Healing Strength

    Earth

    Shell
    *Triggered when attempting to Knock a target or when knocks are attempted on self
    *Scales with Constitution or Endurance
    +Form primarily boosts Knock Resistance
    +Form secondarily boosts Ranged Damage

    Concussive
    *Triggered when applying Concussive effects (Disorient, Stagger, Stun) or when striking enemies affected by Concussive effects
    *Scales with Strength or Endurance
    +Form primarily boosts Ranged Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Melee Damage

    Might

    Enrage
    *Triggered when attempting to Knock a target
    *Scales with Strength
    +Form primarily boosts Melee Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Energy Strength​​
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  • deadman20deadman20 Posts: 1,516 Arc User
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    -Mystical-

    Celestial

    Divinity
    *Triggered when applying Illumination or a Heal over Time effect
    *Scales with Presence or Constitution
    +Form primarily boosts Healing Strength
    +Form secondarily boosts Crowd Control Resistance

    Darkness

    Shadowy Empowerment
    *Triggered when applying a Curse or Mental State
    *Scales with Ego or Constitution
    +Form primarily boosts Ranged Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Healing Strength

    Sorcery

    Spellcaster
    *Triggered when applying a Curse or Enchantment
    *Scales with Intelligence
    +Form primarily boosts Ranged Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Healing Strength


    Bestial Supernatural

    Instinctual Frenzy
    *Triggered when defeating an enemy or assisting in defeating an enemy, or every 15 seconds while in combat.
    *Scales with Strength or Ego
    +Form equally boosts Ranged Damage and Melee Damage

    Bestial Aspect
    *Triggered when applying, refreshing or rupturing Bleeding
    *Scales with Strength
    +Form primarily boosts Melee Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Crowd Control Resistance

    Infernal Supernatural

    Infernal Aspect
    *Triggered when applying, refreshing or rupturing Poison
    *Scales with Ego or Intelligence
    +Form primarily boosts Ranged Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Crowd Control Strength

    Infernal Retribution
    *Triggered when applying, refreshing or rupturing Poison
    *Scales with Intelligence or Endurance
    +Form primarily boosts Ranged Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Healing Strength​​
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  • deadman20deadman20 Posts: 1,516 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    -Misc.-

    Shared Forms

    Reverberation
    *Triggered when dealing damage to a target affected by a Projector Effect (Negative Ions, Clinging Flames, Chill)
    *Scales with Recovery
    +Form primarily boosts Ranged Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Energy Strength

    Concentration
    *Triggered when attacking from at least 25 feet away, or halfway charging an attack or maintaining an attack for at least 4 ticks
    *Scales with Ego
    +Form primarily boosts Ranged Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Melee Damage

    Aggression
    *Triggered when attacking from within 25 feet, or when a Lunge goes on Cooldown
    *Scales with Strength
    +Form primarily boosts Melee Damage
    +Form secondarily boosts Ranged Damage

    Manipulator
    *Triggered when applying a Crowd Control effect
    *Scales with Intelligence
    +Form primarily boosts Crowd Control Magnitude
    +Form secondarily boosts Crowd Control Resistance

    Resilience
    *Triggered when taking damage
    *Scales with Constitution
    +Form primarily boosts Knock Resistance
    +Form secondarily boosts Crowd Control Resistance

    Compassion
    *Triggered when healing damage or when the user's Shielding effects take damage
    *Scales with Presence
    +Form primarily boosts Healing Strength
    +Form secondarily boosts Shielding Strength​​
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  • blockwaveblockwave Posts: 329 Arc User
    Love the ideas

  • roughbearmattachroughbearmattach Posts: 4,784 Arc User
    I like the idea of the "non framework" forms. I wonder how that would be implemented--maybe tag them with every power framework?

    I think it would be cool to have a few non-framework passives, too. I've often wanted a personal-only version of AoPM, as a sort of generic "super person" passive.
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  • blockwaveblockwave Posts: 329 Arc User
    A personnal AoPM that you can use in dps role, tank role and support would be neat.

  • aesicaaesica Posts: 2,355 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    I can see you put a lot of thought into this, however that's still just a rebranding of the same bloat we already have. Instead, why not take the lean approach, and just have a few forms that cover all the basics:


    Enrage
    Tier: 1
    Form
    Description:
    + Scales with Strength.
    + Gain a stack each time you deal melee damage.
    + Increases your melee damage by x and your ranged damage by [x * 0.5].
    [2] Endorphin Rush: Heals you each time you gain a stack.

    Form of the Tempest
    Tier: 1
    Form
    Description:
    + Scales with Dexterity.
    + Gain a stack each time you land a critical hit or dodge an attack.
    + Increases your damage by x.
    [2] Endorphin Rush: Heals you each time you gain a stack.

    Concentration
    Tier: 1
    Form
    Description:
    + Scales with Intelligence.
    + Gain a stack each time you charge or maintain a power at least halfway or complete a combo.
    + Increases your damage by x.
    [2] Endorphin Rush: Heals you each time you gain a stack.

    Mental Discipline
    Tier: 1
    Form
    Description:
    + Scales with Ego.
    + Gain a stack each time you deal ranged damage.
    + Increases your ranged damage by x and your melee damage by [x * 0.5].
    [2] Endorphin Rush: Heals you each time you gain a stack.
    [0] Id Blades: Your ego blade powers manifest 2 id blades instead.

    Compassion
    Tier: 1
    Form
    Description:
    + Scales with Presence.
    + Gain a stack each time you heal or apply a shield effect.
    + Increases your healing and damage by x.
    [2] Endorphin Rush: Heals you each time you gain a stack.

    Fortitude
    Tier: 1
    Form
    Description:
    + Scales with Constitution.
    + Gain a stack each time you receive damage.
    + Increases your damage by x.
    [2] Endorphin Rush: Heals you each time you gain a stack.
    [2] Imposing Presence: Your damaging attacks generate additional threat. (You can now begin summarily deleting Challenge! from every single power because it's no longer needed. Good riddance!)

    Power Source
    Tier: 1
    Form
    Description:
    + Scales with Endurance.
    + Gain a stack each time you heal or deal damage.
    + Increases your damage and healing by x.
    [2] Endorphin Rush: Heals you each time you gain a stack.

    Iron Will
    Tier: 1
    Form
    Description:
    + Scales with Recovery.
    + Gain a stack each time you recover energy.
    + Increases your damage and healing by x.
    [2] Endorphin Rush: Heals you each time you gain a stack.

    ---
    Tier 1: 8
    Total Powers: 8

    - - -

    Put them all into a new framework called "General" and watch CO's power bloat melt away. :D​​
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  • shadowfang240shadowfang240 Posts: 1,424 Arc User
    i'd go with the above too, if only because it's got to be far less strain on the engine calculating stack conditions across 8 forms x 50 players than 20-30 forms x 50 players​​
  • deadman20deadman20 Posts: 1,516 Arc User
    i'd go with the above too, if only because it's got to be far less strain on the engine calculating stack conditions across 8 forms x 50 players than 20-30 forms x 50 players

    That sort of thing would have a minor if any change on performance really. Each form would wait for a condition to be met, and if it is, then it stacks the form. The amount of different forms wouldn't really do much for/against performance aside from calling to different effects when the trigger happens.

    This feels more like a case where I'll say More is More rather than Less is More... I'll be honest though, I'd much rather murder Toggled Forms altogether and ease up the DR effects on our stats. That way if we wanted particular strengths, we would only need to invest in the stats providing them instead of some awkward mix of stats to improve a form.

    While I do like the idea of consolidation, I think I'll continue preferring the mass of extra forms. I think it makes a lot more stat combinations viable for more roles as well as lets players take more consideration into the secondary effects the forms can provide. And if people don't like the more unique forms, there are still the more generic options.​​
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