Finally.

flyingfinn · December 2017

And it looks gorgeous.
Battle Angel Alita.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj8mN_7Apcw

chaelk · December 2017

Her eyes look too big but apart from that looks good

championshewolf · December 2017

Why are her eyes so big? It's completely distracting and makes little sense, especially considering the rest of the droids, let alone human characters, have normal eyes. Rosa Salazar's eyes would have been just fine normal. Not grossly exaggerated.

omnilord · December 2017

at first I didn't think there was a problem with her eyes. Then after realizing almost everyone else looked like real actors and not CGI...

Still, I think I'd see that movie. Loved the anime and manga.

flyingfinn · December 2017

If her eyes/face would have been normal, movie would be just another Ghost In The Shell movie.....

markhawkman · December 2017

But I LIKE Ghost in the Shell...

flyingfinn · December 2017

Francis...Ajax...Skrein could have had more Zapan like face.

spinnytop · December 2017

For some reason her face made me think of this.

Also this would be more compelling to me if the droids were sexless cause sexbots always strike me as silly.

kallethen · December 2017

Okay, that trailer is a good punch at my nostalgia... I'll likely see it.

aesica · December 2017

spinnytop wrote: »

Also this would be more compelling to me if the droids were sexless cause sexbots always strike me as silly.

Silly, but also inevitable when you consider that humans are the ones creating them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKBJxZf-Dgs

flyingfinn · December 2017

spinnytop said:

Also this would be more compelling to me if the droids were sexless cause sexbots always strike me as silly.

Then the story would be like another I, Robot....
And haven't you heard, sexbots are comin' really soon to stores near you.

And don't think there was any sexbots in Battle Angel Alita.

beezeeze · December 2017

The big eyes are a bit off putting yeah but remember Alita is an android and this uncanny valley sort of effect actually helps sell this.

championshewolf · December 2017

beezeeze said:
The big eyes are a bit off putting yeah but remember Alita is an android and this uncanny valley sort of effect actually helps sell this.

This argument falls flat when the other droids in the commercial are shown to have normal eyes, and none of the other characters even display such uncanny valley looks. If this was to aspire to the comic/Manga, then they should have gone all in, not half assed it just for one character.

beezeeze · December 2017

Not all android are created equal though, because they are androids.

theravenforce · December 2017

Guess we can look forward to a PA review around about then? Looks good though...

spinnytop · December 2017

theravenforce said:
Guess we can look forward to a PA review around about then? Looks good though...

I dunno, looked to me like she was using martial arts to fight

spinnytop · December 2017

flyingfinn said:
Then the story would be like another I, Robot....
And haven't you heard, sexbots are comin' really soon to stores near you.

And don't think there was any sexbots in Battle Angel Alita.

Fighting robots with boobs are dumb for the same reason female armor with boobs is dumb u3u also making the thing a girl is just a cheap trick to make people be like "yeah girl power!" when in fact there's no girl involved ( and also to make it "compelling" to male viewers... wink wink ). If it's gonna be a sexbot, then it should be a porn o3o

jennymachx · December 2017

Battle Angel is about an Android having lost her memories and trying to discover who she is and her purpose in a post-apocalyptic world, and the relationships she forges with people she meets in her journey of finding out that purpose.

It has nothing to do with sexbots.

James Cameron mentioned that he wanted to make a film adaption of the manga that he's also a fan of for like almost two decades already. Interesting to see that things are finally moving forward.

spinnytop · December 2017

Any robot that has sexual characteristics is a sexbot u3u

aesica · December 2017

spinnytop wrote: »

Fighting robots with boobs are dumb for the same reason female armor with boobs is dumb u3u also making the thing a girl is just a cheap trick to make people be like "yeah girl power!" when in fact there's no girl involved ( and also to make it "compelling" to male viewers... wink wink ). If it's gonna be a sexbot, then it should be a porn o3o

It's not at all unusual for humans to want to create machines in their own image. In doing so, they have to choose either male or female for its appearance. Why does "robot with female characteristics" specifically make it a sexbot? Is a robot meant to resemble a male also considered a sexbot?

spinnytop · December 2017

aesica said:

Is a robot meant to resemble a male also considered a sexbot?

If it has nipples and a bulgy crotch, yes. Look at Data from Star Trek. Fully functional ~.^

aesica · December 2017

A mechanical being with the capability for sex isn't necessarily a sexbot. Even though he's "fully functional and anatomically correct," Data doesn't count as a sexbot since that's not his primary function. On the other hand, Harmony (I can't link to it for obvious reasons) is a sexbot--a robot created for the sole purpose of...you know.

And before you ask, "Why give a robot sex parts if it's not meant to be a sexbot?"

If you're trying to emulate a human being as closely as possible, why would you leave that out?

spinnytop · December 2017

aesica said:
If you're trying to emulate a human being as closely as possible, why would you leave that out?

Because you're not a pervert.

jennymachx · December 2017

Data wasn't having sex every single TNG episode.

Fembots from Austin Powers are sexbots. Gigolo Joe from Spielberg's A.I. is a sexbot. Nexus 6 pleasure model replicants from Blade Runner are sexbots. Their primary functions are to have sexual intercouse in whatever setting or plot involved in the movies their from.

This doesn't apply to the character of Alita because her seeking sexual relationships with people isn't central to the character. Heck it's pretty non-existent. It goes deeper than that. Calling her a "sexbot" is just nothing short of ignorant.

monaahiru · December 2017

She looks such like Gully the heroine of Manga GUNMU so much very similar. o3o

championshewolf · December 2017

beezeeze said:
Not all android are created equal though, because they are androids.

No, but if you are going to go out of your way for one character, again, you should do it for all characters. Starting to remind me of AI again. And Alita is not the only character in the Manga with saucer eyes, so yea, that really just does nto fly.

omnilord · December 2017

Been a while since I read the manga so I could be wrong, but I think Alita originally was a human being that was converted into a cyborg/android. I remember her having flashbacks with another character about when she was a young child. Also, she was a spy before the doctor guy found her all smashed up, so blending in with humans had to be at the top of her design, and so that's why the female body.

Again, my memory is not infallible.

spinnytop · December 2017

jennymachx said:
Calling her a "sexbot" is just nothing short of ignorant.

I dunno, that anime face looks like fetish fuel to me. She's not just a sexbot, she's a custom order.

flyingfinn · December 2017

It's obvious, you have fetish towards sexbots and anime faces.

aesica · December 2017

spinnytop wrote: »

Because you're not a pervert.

And when your artificial intelligence, which again was designed to emulate humanity in every possible way, asks you, "creator, I met someone that I deeply care for. If I am to emulate humanity as closely as possible, why did you make me incomplete? So that I cannot share myself with this person in the way that humans do?"

sexuality != perversion

spinnytop wrote: »

I dunno, that anime face looks like fetish fuel to me. She's not just a sexbot, she's a custom order.

I'm not sure if you're trolling or if you really think that, but I really don't see it. The Alitabot shown in that trailer didn't appear sexualized at all. No skimpy outfits, no "I was created to please men," or any of that nonsense. It's just an android designed to look mostly (but not quite) human, and I suspect the big eyes were created to help convey that feeling of "almost human, but not quite." And they do that quite well.

beezeeze · December 2017

monaahiru said:

She looks such like Gully the heroine of Manga GUNMU so much very similar. o3o

fun fact because it actually is \o/

Alita = Gully

spinnytop · December 2017

aesica said:

And when your artificial intelligence, which again was designed to emulate humanity in every possible way, asks you, "creator, I met someone that I deeply care for. If I am to emulate humanity as closely as possible, why did you make me incomplete? So that I cannot share myself with this person in the way that humans do?"

sexuality != perversion

I would open that robot up and repair it so it doesn't malfunction in that fashion again o3o

aesica said:

I'm not sure if you're trolling or if you really think that, but I really don't see it. The Alitabot shown in that trailer didn't appear sexualized at all. No skimpy outfits, no "I was created to please men," or any of that nonsense. It's just an android designed to look mostly (but not quite) human, and I suspect the big eyes were created to help convey that feeling of "almost human, but not quite." And they do that quite well.

Those eyes make it look like a creature, and they are ridiculous in the context of the movie. It's obvious that she was made to be an anime waifu. Hell she's practically a blue print for an anime fan's waifu sex bot lol

jennymachx · December 2017

> @spinnytop said:
>Those eyes make it look like a creature, and they are ridiculous in the context of the movie. It's obvious that she was made to be an anime waifu. Hell she's practically a blue print for an anime fan's waifu sex bot lol

That's certainly your personal observation, but it's not what the film's narrative is about.

spinnytop · December 2017

jennymachx said:
That's certainly your personal observation, but it's not what the film's narrative is about.

Never said it was. Haven't actually commented on the film's narrative once.

jennymachx · December 2017

Yeah and you keep insisting that the whole point of the character is to be an "anime waifu" sexbot while ignoring said narrative that isn't focused on that at all.

spinnytop · December 2017

Like I said, I haven't been commenting on the narrative at all so I don't know why that would suddenly be relevant.

jonsills · December 2017

What can we say, Spinny's really turned on by a woman with big, round, firm... eyes.

omnilord · December 2017

jonsills said:
What can we say, Spinny's really turned on by a woman with big, round, firm... eyes.

*makes CO toon with eye sliders at max* "NOTICE ME FOXI-SENPAIIIIIIII!!" @3@

spinnytop · December 2017

omnilord#8416 said:
*makes CO toon with eye sliders at max* "NOTICE ME FOXI-SENPAIIIIIIII!!" @3@

Too busy noticing my entire roster of characters o3o

jonsills said:
What can we say, Spinny's really turned on by a woman with big, round, firm... eyes.

Firm eyes!? XD

aesica · December 2017

spinnytop wrote: »

Those eyes make it look like a creature, and they are ridiculous in the context of the movie. It's obvious that she was made to be an anime waifu. Hell she's practically a blue print for an anime fan's waifu sex bot lol

Well, I don't know what else to tell you, then. You're entitled to your opinions no matter how far out in left field they are. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Would you rather they took it in the other direction by giving her tiny eyes?

spinnytop · December 2017

Only if all the other droids looked that way too.

Personally I would just give them something similar to Mechanon's face - just a camera thing poking out from a featureless metal/plastic head. Why do they need a nose? They're not smelling anything. Why do they need a mouth? Their speech comes out of a speaker. Robots don't have a gender identity that they need to express, their gender is toaster.

Now that there's a robut. Lose some of the decoration though. And cover up those hoses.

flyingfinn · December 2017

And,

Alita is a cyborg.

Pretty much everyone is a cyborg there.

So none of the robot stuff apply here.
So take yer sexurobowaifus and live happy somewhere else.

spinnytop · December 2017

Then the whole conversation was dumb, the people saying robots have a right to a gender don't even know anything about the movie, and it's championshewolf's fault for calling them droids o3o

Also if she's a cyborg why are her eyes so big? Oh wait I already know the answer... to make her a 3d anime waifu ^_^

jennymachx · December 2017

spinnytop said:
Then the whole conversation was dumb

The part where it got derailed into the dumb is fairly obvious.

spinnytop · December 2017

jennymachx said:
The part where it got derailed into the dumb is fairly obvious.

Yeah, around the time people were arguing that the robot needs to look like a girl so it can find love... when it was never a robot to begin with.

jennymachx · December 2017

> @spinnytop said:
>Yeah, around the time people were arguing that the robot needs to look like a girl so it can find love... when it was never a robot to begin with.

Yeah I wonder what dumb comment set that off.

jonsills · December 2017

jennymachx said:
> @spinnytop said:

>Yeah, around the time people were arguing that the robot needs to look like a girl so it can find love... when it was never a robot to begin with.

Yeah I wonder what dumb comment set that off.

I do believe the beginning of the end came when someone decided that eyes were a feminine secondary sexual characteristic, and he's really turned on by big round ones (where most of us just see that face as a disturbing dive right into the Uncanny Valley).

baelogventure · December 2017

spinnytop · December 2017

jonsills said:
I do believe the beginning of the end came when someone decided that eyes were a feminine secondary sexual characteristic, and he's really turned on by big round ones (where most of us just see that face as a disturbing dive right into the Uncanny Valley).

You don't know a lot about weaboo culture.

jennymachx said:
Yeah I wonder what dumb comment set that off.

I'm gonna guess this one:

aesica said:
And when your artificial intelligence, which again was designed to emulate humanity in every possible way, asks you, "creator, I met someone that I deeply care for. If I am to emulate humanity as closely as possible, why did you make me incomplete? So that I cannot share myself with this person in the way that humans do?"

Which I will again remind you, the response to this would be to push the off button and then hook it up to the diagnostic machine o3o

aesica · December 2017

spinnytop wrote: »

Only if all the other droids looked that way too.

Personally I would just give them something similar to Mechanon's face - just a camera thing poking out from a featureless metal/plastic head. Why do they need a nose? They're not smelling anything. Why do they need a mouth? Their speech comes out of a speaker. Robots don't have a gender identity that they need to express, their gender is toaster.

Now that there's a robut. Lose some of the decoration though. And cover up those hoses.

Why just one camera? Why not two for binocular, 3d vision? Why would a robot need a nose? Do you honestly think there's no advantages to being able to detect the current makeup of nearby air particles? Why would they need a mouth? How about as a place for the aforementioned speaker?

As for gender identity, the robots of today obviously don't. However, as AI gets closer and closer to rivaling our own, wouldn't an AI designed to be similar to human intelligence not be self aware? How do you know it wouldn't want to express itself somehow? When you think about it, humans are really just robots made out of meat instead of metal.

spinnytop wrote: »

Which I will again remind you, the response to this would be to push the off button and then hook it up to the diagnostic machine o3o

The state has decided that you aren't acting the way you're supposed to, so it wants to perform alterations on your brain to make you behave more in line with expected guidelines. Do you let this happen because the state knows what's best for you?

The closer we get to creating AI which rivals our own intelligence, the grayer the "turn it off and make changes" solution gets.

jennymachx · December 2017

jonsills said:

jennymachx said:
> @spinnytop said:

>Yeah, around the time people were arguing that the robot needs to look like a girl so it can find love... when it was never a robot to begin with.

Yeah I wonder what dumb comment set that off.
I do believe the beginning of the end came when someone decided that eyes were a feminine secondary sexual characteristic, and he's really turned on by big round ones (where most of us just see that face as a disturbing dive right into the Uncanny Valley).

Yup. Pretty much.

Finally.

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