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DPS+Survivable Fire/Earth+Arcane Mage concept and build.

wraith9thwraith9th Posts: 61 Arc User
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Hey Guys.

I had a couple of FF slots so I decided to get a mage in the game which I'm leveling with a rudimentary sorcery build.

The concept I had in mind was a Survivable-DPS...
Well, I'm divided between an Earth-Sorcery Hybrid (I really like the Cave In animation and the summoning of earth concept) and a Fire-Sorcery Hybrid (that Hydra ultimate is sooo cool). Sorcery being the major chunk of powers in there.
I'd be really grateful for help in this regard.
A Fire-Sorcery hybrid and an Earth-Sorcery build sample...
A hybrid of both maybe?

Thanks for all the help you guys give out all the time and thanks in advance for this case in particular.



P.S. Gearing suggestions would be awesome too. I have a Legions Offense Gloves, Defense Breastplate and Utility Helm at my disposal.
In-game: @Wraith_9th

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  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,852 Arc User
    Here's a Sorc dps w/ Cave In:

    (Unnamed Build) - Freeform
    v2.3.2-26

    Super Stats
    Level 6: Intelligence (Primary)
    Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
    Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

    Talents
    Level 1: The Specialist (Dex: 10, Con: 10, Int: 8, Rec: 10)
    Level 6: Covert Ops Training (Str: 3, Dex: 3, Con: 3, Int: 3)
    Level 9: Healthy Mind (Con: 5, Int: 5)
    Level 12: Acrobat (Dex: 5, Con: 5)
    Level 15: Coordinated (Dex: 5, Int: 5)
    Level 18: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 21: Negotiator (Int: 5, Rec: 5)

    Powers
    Level 1: Eldritch Bolts
    Level 1: Eldritch Blast (Rank 2, Bad Luck)
    Level 6: Conjuring
    Level 8: Invulnerability (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 11: Concentration
    Level 14: Skarn's Bane (Rank 2, Tranced)
    Level 17: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 20: Hex of Suffering (Rank 2, Rune of Terror)
    Level 23: Cave In (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 26: Resurgence (Rank 2)
    Level 29: Eldritch Shield (Rank 2)
    Level 32: Ice Sheath (Rank 2)
    Level 35: Crashing Incantation (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 38: Rebirth
    Adv. Points: 34/36

    Travel Powers
    Level 6:
    Level 35:

    Specializations
    Intelligence: Enlightened (2/3)
    Intelligence: Battle of Wits (3/3)
    Intelligence: Detect Vulnerability (3/3)
    Intelligence: Expertise (2/2)
    Avenger: Ruthless (2/2)
    Avenger: Round 'em Up (3/3)
    Avenger: Relentless Assault (2/3)
    Avenger: Preemptive Strike (3/3)
    Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
    Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
    Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
    Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
    Mastery: Intelligence Mastery (1/1)

    Can mix in more Earth powers in there, but you mentioned keeping it mostly Sorc, so I did. Main single-target rotation is to alternate between Eld Blast and Cave In w/ Preemptive Strike, throwing in Hex for debuffing. AoE is mostly using Skarn's + Hex. Gears mostly for Int, w/ some Con and Dex.


    A Fire version can be as easy as replacing Cave In w/ Fireball, and the ult w/ Hydra:

    (Unnamed Build) - Freeform
    v2.3.2-26

    Super Stats
    Level 6: Intelligence (Primary)
    Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
    Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

    Talents
    Level 1: The Specialist (Dex: 10, Con: 10, Int: 8, Rec: 10)
    Level 6: Covert Ops Training (Str: 3, Dex: 3, Con: 3, Int: 3)
    Level 9: Healthy Mind (Con: 5, Int: 5)
    Level 12: Acrobat (Dex: 5, Con: 5)
    Level 15: Coordinated (Dex: 5, Int: 5)
    Level 18: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 21: Negotiator (Int: 5, Rec: 5)

    Powers
    Level 1: Eldritch Bolts
    Level 1: Eldritch Blast (Rank 2, Bad Luck)
    Level 6: Conjuring
    Level 8: Invulnerability (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 11: Concentration
    Level 14: Skarn's Bane (Rank 2, Tranced)
    Level 17: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 20: Hex of Suffering (Rank 2, Rune of Terror)
    Level 23: Fireball (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 26: Resurgence (Rank 2)
    Level 29: Eldritch Shield (Rank 2)
    Level 32: Imbue
    Level 35: Hydra (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 38: Rebirth
    Adv. Points: 32/36

    Travel Powers
    Level 6:
    Level 35:

    Specializations
    Intelligence: Enlightened (2/3)
    Intelligence: Battle of Wits (3/3)
    Intelligence: Detect Vulnerability (3/3)
    Intelligence: Expertise (2/2)
    Avenger: Ruthless (2/2)
    Avenger: Round 'em Up (3/3)
    Avenger: Relentless Assault (2/3)
    Avenger: Preemptive Strike (3/3)
    Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
    Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
    Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
    Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
    Mastery: Intelligence Mastery (1/1)

    Ofc, there's many other ways to mix the sets, but this can work now even w/ the Fire re-vamp.

    For gearing, I'd generally get crit and severity in offensive gear, maxHP and/or Defense in defensive slots, and a mix of cd reduction and cost discount in utility.
    <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
  • wraith9thwraith9th Posts: 61 Arc User
    Thank you so much, @flowcyto , you always reply so quickly. Apologies on being a little tardy myself.

    How are these builds in comparison to a pure sorcery build in terms of DPS in your experience?
    In-game: @Wraith_9th
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,852 Arc User
    Preemptive Strike builds w/ blasts and heavy charged attacks won't typically be as strong as single-target maintains for one powerset when optimized. But they can still do respectable dmg and have good burst dps w/ the charged non-blast attack.
    <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
  • wraith9thwraith9th Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited November 2017
    So @flowcyto if I use a pure sorcery build, technically I should have a better DPS output.
    Like this one you shared on another post.

    (Unnamed Build) - Freeform
    v2.3.2-27

    Super Stats
    Level 6: Intelligence (Primary)
    Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
    Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

    Talents
    Level 1: The Specialist (Dex: 10, Con: 10, Int: 8, Rec: 10)
    Level 6: Covert Ops Training (Str: 3, Dex: 3, Con: 3, Int: 3)
    Level 9: Healthy Mind (Con: 5, Int: 5)
    Level 12: Acrobat (Dex: 5, Con: 5)
    Level 15: Coordinated (Dex: 5, Int: 5)
    Level 18: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 21: Negotiator (Int: 5, Rec: 5)

    Powers
    Level 1: Eldritch Bolts
    Level 1: Eldritch Blast (Rank 2, Chant)
    Level 6: Spellcaster
    Level 8: Enchanter (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 11: Conjuring
    Level 14: Skarn's Bane (Rank 2, Tranced)
    Level 17: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 20: Soul Beam (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 23: Hex of Suffering (Rank 2, Rune of Terror)
    Level 26: Resurgence (Rank 2)
    Level 29: Eldritch Shield (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 32: Imbue
    Level 35: Pillar of Poz (Rank 2, Dizzying Impact)
    Level 38: Rebirth
    Adv. Points: 34/36

    Travel Powers
    Level 6:
    Level 35:

    Specializations
    Intelligence: Tactician (2/2)
    Intelligence: Battle of Wits (3/3)
    Intelligence: Detect Vulnerability (3/3)
    Intelligence: Expertise (2/2)
    Avenger: Ruthless (2/2)
    Avenger: Round 'em Up (3/3)
    Avenger: Relentless Assault (3/3)
    Avenger: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
    Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
    Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
    Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
    Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
    Mastery: Avenger Mastery (1/1)
    Post edited by wraith9th on
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  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,852 Arc User
    Yea, well one of the reasons is cause keeping it in one set means you can more effectively take adv of dmg debuffs designed for that set or dmg type, instead of sometimes splitting the diff w/ another set using a diff dmg type. The other reason for Sorc in particular is just cause Soul Beam was designed to be its main attack for single target dps, when optimized. Doesn't mean other mixes or rotations do bad dps- just maybe not as much. Obv, ymmv on how much dps is 'good' enough.
    <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
  • wraith9thwraith9th Posts: 61 Arc User
    Hmmm. So Pillar of Poz... Expendable?
    That is to say, can I switch it out for an Ultimate or any other thematic power (Brimstone - you shall not pass!) or is it essential to the build, because I'm gonna go with the Sorcery DPS.
    Gearing suggestions for that will be awesome!
    In-game: @Wraith_9th
  • wraith9thwraith9th Posts: 61 Arc User
    And while we're at it, could you take a look at this build.

    (Unnamed Build) - Freeform
    v2.3.2-27

    Super Stats
    Level 6: Ego (Primary)
    Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
    Level 15: Recovery (Secondary)

    Talents
    Level 1: The Soldier (Dex: 10, Int: 8, Ego: 10, Rec: 10)
    Level 6: Daredevil (Ego: 5, End: 5)
    Level 9: Accurate (Dex: 5, End: 5)
    Level 12: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)
    Level 15: Shooter (Dex: 5, Ego: 5)
    Level 18: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 21: Worldly (Ego: 5, Rec: 5)

    Powers
    Level 1: Steady Shot
    Level 1: Concentration
    Level 6: Killer Instinct
    Level 8: Gatling Gun (Rank 2, Sheer Force)
    Level 11: Lock N Load (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 14: Lead Tempest (Rank 2, Tread Softly)
    Level 17: Assault Rifle (Rank 2, Uncompromising)
    Level 20: Targeting Computer (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 23: Brimstone (Rank 2, Aftershock)
    Level 26: Sword Cyclone (Accelerated Metabolism)
    Level 29: Luminescent Slash
    Level 32: Energy Shield (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 35: Ego Blade Frenzy (Accelerated Metabolism)
    Level 38: Master of the Mind (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Adv. Points: 36/36

    Travel Powers
    Level 6: Arcane Flight (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 35: Flag Speed

    Specializations
    Ego: Force of Will (2/2)
    Ego: Insight (3/3)
    Ego: Aggression (2/2)
    Ego: Follow Through (3/3)
    Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
    Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
    Vindicator: The Rush of Battle (3/3)
    Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
    Avenger: Ruthless (2/2)
    Avenger: Round 'em Up (3/3)
    Avenger: Surprise Attack (2/2)
    Avenger: Relentless Assault (3/3)
    Mastery: Ego Mastery (1/1)


    This toon, I'm making for CCs so that he can have as many different outwardly visible power-sets represented while still maintaining the bare essential Soldier AT DPS capabilities.
    What do you think, sensei?
    In-game: @Wraith_9th
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,852 Arc User
    Yea, Pillar is expendable.

    The other build uses many power slots just for costume contests, so I'd be careful not letting them eat into your combat ability. If Lume Slash is for show then it takes a target to use, unless you meant to take Lightwave Slash?

    If using AR and its special adv, you'd prob want SMG Burst to build up 3x Furious (can get the shielding adv on it if you want for turtling, though it'll do less dmg and/or hit less targets), and Gatling w/ L2R adv to refresh Furious and apply/refresh AP debuff. I'd prob also trade LnL for something like R3 Conviction, and MotM for an AD like R2 Resurgence. May also change the stats and specs around to be more durable.

    (Unnamed Build) - Freeform
    v2.3.2-27

    Super Stats
    Level 6: Ego (Primary)
    Level 10: Recovery (Secondary)
    Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

    Talents
    Level 1: The Scourge (Con: 10, Ego: 10, Rec: 10, End: 8)
    Level 6: Ascetic (Con: 5, Ego: 5)
    Level 9: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 12: Worldly (Ego: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 15: Boundless Reserves (Con: 5, End: 5)
    Level 18: Daredevil (Ego: 5, End: 5)
    Level 21: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)

    Powers
    Level 1: Gunslinger
    Level 1: Concentration
    Level 6: Killer Instinct
    Level 8: Submachinegun Burst (Rank 2, Rank 3, Extra Bullets)
    Level 11: Targeting Computer (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 14: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 17: Gatling Gun (Rank 2, Listen to Reason)
    Level 20: Assault Rifle (Rank 2, Uncompromising)
    Level 23: Resurgence (Rank 2)
    Level 26: Energy Shield (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 29: Luminescent Slash
    Level 32: Sword Cyclone (Accelerated Metabolism)
    Level 35: Ego Blade Frenzy (Accelerated Metabolism)
    Level 38: Brimstone (Aftershock)
    Adv. Points: 33/36

    Travel Powers
    Level 6: Arcane Flight (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 35: Flag Speed

    Specializations
    Ego: Force of Will (2/2)
    Ego: Insight (3/3)
    Ego: Follow Through (3/3)
    Ego: Sixth Sense (2/3)
    Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
    Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
    Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
    Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
    Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
    Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
    Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
    Mastery: Ego Mastery (1/1)
    <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
  • wraith9thwraith9th Posts: 61 Arc User
    Posting for posterity.

    (Unnamed Build) - Freeform
    v2.3.2-27

    Super Stats
    Level 6: Ego (Primary)
    Level 10: Recovery (Secondary)
    Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

    Talents
    Level 1: The Scourge (Con: 10, Ego: 10, Rec: 10, End: 8)
    Level 6: Ascetic (Con: 5, Ego: 5)
    Level 9: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 12: Worldly (Ego: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 15: Boundless Reserves (Con: 5, End: 5)
    Level 18: Daredevil (Ego: 5, End: 5)
    Level 21: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)

    Powers
    Level 1: Gunslinger
    Level 1: Concentration
    Level 6: Killer Instinct
    Level 8: Submachinegun Burst (Rank 2, Rank 3, Extra Bullets)
    Level 11: Targeting Computer (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 14: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 17: Gatling Gun (Rank 2, Listen to Reason)
    Level 20: Assault Rifle (Rank 2, Uncompromising)
    Level 23: Resurgence (Rank 2)
    Level 26: Energy Shield (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 29: Lightwave Slash
    Level 32: Sword Cyclone (Accelerated Metabolism)
    Level 35: Ego Blade Frenzy (Accelerated Metabolism)
    Level 38: Brimstone (Aftershock)
    Adv. Points: 33/36

    Travel Powers
    Level 6: Arcane Flight (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 35: Flag Speed

    Specializations
    Ego: Force of Will (2/2)
    Ego: Insight (3/3)
    Ego: Follow Through (3/3)
    Ego: Sixth Sense (2/3)
    Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
    Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
    Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
    Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
    Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
    Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
    Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
    Mastery: Ego Mastery (1/1)

    Thank you sooo very much @flowcyto
    In-game: @Wraith_9th
  • wraith9thwraith9th Posts: 61 Arc User
    Posting for Posterity.

    Duon Daehir 3.0 - Freeform
    v2.3.2-27

    Super Stats
    Level 6: Intelligence (Primary)
    Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
    Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

    Talents
    Level 1: The Specialist (Dex: 10, Con: 10, Int: 8, Rec: 10)
    Level 6: Covert Ops Training (Str: 3, Dex: 3, Con: 3, Int: 3)
    Level 9: Healthy Mind (Con: 5, Int: 5)
    Level 12: Acrobat (Dex: 5, Con: 5)
    Level 15: Coordinated (Dex: 5, Int: 5)
    Level 18: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 21: Negotiator (Int: 5, Rec: 5)

    Powers
    Level 1: Eldritch Bolts
    Level 1: Eldritch Blast (Rank 2, Chant)
    Level 6: Spellcaster
    Level 8: Enchanter (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 11: Conjuring
    Level 14: Skarn's Bane (Rank 2, Tranced)
    Level 17: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 20: Soul Beam (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 23: Hex of Suffering (Rank 2, Rune of Terror)
    Level 26: Resurgence (Rank 2)
    Level 29: Eldritch Shield (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 32: Imbue
    Level 35: Crashing Incantation (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 38: Rebirth
    Adv. Points: 36/36

    Travel Powers
    Level 6: Arcane Flight (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 35: Teleportation

    Specializations
    Intelligence: Tactician (2/2)
    Intelligence: Battle of Wits (3/3)
    Intelligence: Detect Vulnerability (3/3)
    Intelligence: Expertise (2/2)
    Avenger: Ruthless (2/2)
    Avenger: Round 'em Up (3/3)
    Avenger: Relentless Assault (3/3)
    Avenger: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
    Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
    Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
    Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
    Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
    Mastery: Avenger Mastery (1/1)
    In-game: @Wraith_9th
  • wraith9thwraith9th Posts: 61 Arc User
    flowcyto said:



    (Unnamed Build) - Freeform
    v2.3.2-27

    Super Stats
    Level 6: Ego (Primary)
    Level 10: Recovery (Secondary)
    Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

    Talents
    Level 1: The Scourge (Con: 10, Ego: 10, Rec: 10, End: 8)
    Level 6: Ascetic (Con: 5, Ego: 5)
    Level 9: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 12: Worldly (Ego: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 15: Boundless Reserves (Con: 5, End: 5)
    Level 18: Daredevil (Ego: 5, End: 5)
    Level 21: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)

    Powers
    Level 1: Gunslinger
    Level 1: Concentration
    Level 6: Killer Instinct
    Level 8: Submachinegun Burst (Rank 2, Rank 3, Extra Bullets)
    Level 11: Targeting Computer (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 14: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 17: Gatling Gun (Rank 2, Listen to Reason)
    Level 20: Assault Rifle (Rank 2, Uncompromising)
    Level 23: Resurgence (Rank 2)
    Level 26: Energy Shield (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 29: Luminescent Slash
    Level 32: Sword Cyclone (Accelerated Metabolism)
    Level 35: Ego Blade Frenzy (Accelerated Metabolism)
    Level 38: Brimstone (Aftershock)
    Adv. Points: 33/36

    Travel Powers
    Level 6: Arcane Flight (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 35: Flag Speed

    Specializations
    Ego: Force of Will (2/2)
    Ego: Insight (3/3)
    Ego: Follow Through (3/3)
    Ego: Sixth Sense (2/3)
    Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
    Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
    Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
    Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
    Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
    Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
    Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
    Mastery: Ego Mastery (1/1)

    Hey @flowcyto ...
    Can this build be made into a dual pistols setup instead of the munitions setup we've made so far?
    Like swapping out Sub-Machine Gun Burst for Two-Gun Mojo.
    What changes, if any would I have to make to the passives and debuffs/buffs?
    In-game: @Wraith_9th
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,852 Arc User
    Yea, the changes can be pretty simple- like swapping SMG for Bullet Hail (or Lead Tempest, if you re-order the powers a bit), Gatling for Frag Nade w/ AP debuff adv, and AR for TGM. Nothing really needs to change w/ regards to passives or stats.
    <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
  • wraith9thwraith9th Posts: 61 Arc User
    Lead Tempest with R2 and Tread softly and 2GM with R2 and Close the gap will be ok or should I just go for R3?
    In-game: @Wraith_9th
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,852 Arc User
    edited December 2017
    I'd prob get R3 on TGM for a ranged build. The dodge adv on LT can be okay, as long as ya don't mind losing some dps from it.
    <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
  • wraith9thwraith9th Posts: 61 Arc User
    R3 in both cases, it is. Thank you ever so much, Flow!
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