Release Notes 9/28/2017

kaiserin · September 2017

Anniversary

The Anniversary is over!
For the next week the vendor will stick around and Anniversary Gifts are still able to drop Anniversary Favor.

Misc

Millennium City player cap has been changed back to 65.
Bags from the general vendors now bind to character upon purchase.

animalgirl95 · September 2017

Nice!
I can still get that last little crown for the unlikely event I marry into royalty

servantrules · September 2017

kaizerin said:
Anniversary
Bags from the general vendors now bind to character upon purchase.

Finally won't have to see AH posts of Satchels to Enormous bags for ridiculous prices.

legendarylycan · September 2017

so, about that 20 gift stack limit...

i am REALLY not looking forward to having to stop opening gifts every 8 seconds to slot a new stack in a device slot, especially after having gathered several hundred over the course of the anniversary - can we please get the stack limit upped a bit?

decorumfriends · September 2017

kaizerin said:
Anniversary Gifts are still able to drop Anniversary Favor.

Is the implication that after this week, they will no longer drop Anniversary Favor, or that they will, but it's a moot point until next year?

n8mcd · September 2017

decorumfriends said:

kaizerin said:
Anniversary Gifts are still able to drop Anniversary Favor.

Is the implication that after this week, they will no longer drop Anniversary Favor, or that they will, but it's a moot point until next year?

The test on the box's tooltip indicates it only drops favor during the event.

n8mcd · September 2017

Is there an ETA on when the Cape Flight Power Unlock from the event will be fixed and credited to all the people who lost 750 event currency but didn't acquire the TP?

decorumfriends · September 2017

Thanks for the clarification, n8.

eviltwintwo · October 2017

kaizerin said:

Bags from the general vendors now bind to character upon purchase.

So in other words, the next time I want to buy a bag and give it to a new character, I can't. Way to punish everyone for the bad behavior of some.

I mean, you do realize that I'll be stuck with one bag (which I'll have to empty that much more often) whereas before I could just get a bag and mail it to my new character, right? Just when you get used to something convenient....

Would it have killed you to disallow the sale of bags on the auction house??

kaiserin · October 2017

You could just give your other character the globals needed to purchase it. You can deposit resources and pick them up using these methods:
Shared account bank
Supergroup Bank

jonesing4 · October 2017

I’ve never filled up my starting bag before having enough currency to buy 3 of the big blue ones (“massive”, maybe?). In addition to Kaizerin’s solution, just actually play for a few minutes on that character, then spend a couple G’s to get whatever bags you need. It’s not a big deal.

Haven’t bought/equipped bags since the patch, but I’m assuming this means there will no longer be a prompt asking me if I’m sure I want to equip them when I right click. If so, this will be saving me about 3 seconds per new alt, with no discernible downside. I’m pleased.

sterga · October 2017

eviltwintwo wrote: »

Would it have killed you to disallow the sale of bags on the auction house??

Cryptic wants to make damn sure players can sell most things in the cash shop on the AH. QoL features are not as important as making money. At least it's one less way for players to get scammed by other players.

It may not be a "big deal" but it's still stupid to inconvenience players by prioritizing money over something so insignificant. Cryptic does that way too much. And one of the solutions is to spend cash for a hideout. Geeze... Making bags account bound would have been a better solution, but for some reason account bound items are the devil.

sekhmet46 · October 2017

> @eviltwintwo said:
> Bags from the general vendors now bind to character upon purchase.
>
>
> So in other words, the next time I want to buy a bag and give it to a new character, I can't. Way to punish everyone for the bad behavior of some.
>
> I mean, you do realize that I'll be stuck with one bag (which I'll have to empty that much more often) whereas before I could just get a bag and mail it to my new character, right? Just when you get used to something convenient....
>
> Would it have killed you to disallow the sale of bags on the auction house??

Um... The most expensive bag is like 7.5 G. That doesn't take long for a new character to earn.

eviltwintwo · October 2017

sekhmet46 said:
> @eviltwintwo said:

> Bags from the general vendors now bind to character upon purchase.

>

>

> So in other words, the next time I want to buy a bag and give it to a new character, I can't. Way to punish everyone for the bad behavior of some.

>

> I mean, you do realize that I'll be stuck with one bag (which I'll have to empty that much more often) whereas before I could just get a bag and mail it to my new character, right? Just when you get used to something convenient....

>

> Would it have killed you to disallow the sale of bags on the auction house??

Um... The most expensive bag is like 7.5 G. That doesn't take long for a new character to earn.

kaizerin said:
You could just give your other character the globals needed to purchase it. You can deposit resources and pick them up using these methods:

Shared account bank

Supergroup Bank

I will never understand why people insist on mentioning the painfully obvious for every little objection.

My actual objection was that this makes something in-game a bit less convenient for me. It was never meant to be interpreted as game-destroying or a massive problem. I find that removed conveniences irritate me. But that's it--I was just irritated. I'm already over it.

eviltwintwo · October 2017

sterga said:

eviltwintwo wrote: »

Would it have killed you to disallow the sale of bags on the auction house??

Cryptic wants to make damn sure players can sell most things in the cash shop on the AH. QoL features are not as important as making money. At least it's one less way for players to get scammed by other players.

It may not be a "big deal" but it's still stupid to inconvenience players by prioritizing money over something so insignificant. Cryptic does that way too much. And one of the solutions is to spend cash for a hideout. Geeze... Making bags account bound would have been a better solution, but for some reason account bound items are the devil.

Bind to account (followed by bind to character on equip) would have been perfect. But it'll be fine, I'll just have to get used to the change.

eviltwintwo · October 2017

jonesing4 said:
I’ve never filled up my starting bag before having enough currency to buy 3 of the big blue ones (“massive”, maybe?). In addition to Kaizerin’s solution, just actually play for a few minutes on that character, then spend a couple G’s to get whatever bags you need. It’s not a big deal.

Haven’t bought/equipped bags since the patch, but I’m assuming this means there will no longer be a prompt asking me if I’m sure I want to equip them when I right click. If so, this will be saving me about 3 seconds per new alt, with no discernible downside. I’m pleased.

Why do you tell me things I already know and have already done? I was complaining about the removal of a convenience (a MINOR complaint), not threatening to leave the game or lamenting the "fact" that I couldn't get bags anymore. At any rate, it's not that big of a deal. I'll get used to it.

jonesing4 · October 2017

eviltwintwo said:
Why do you tell me things I already know and have already done? I was complaining about the removal of a convenience (a MINOR complaint), not threatening to leave the game or lamenting the "fact" that I couldn't get bags anymore. At any rate, it's not that big of a deal. I'll get used to it.

It doesn't sound like you already knew/had done that:

eviltwintwo said:
So in other words, the next time I want to buy a bag and give it to a new character, I can't. Way to punish everyone for the bad behavior of some.

I mean, you do realize that I'll be stuck with one bag (which I'll have to empty that much more often) whereas before I could just get a bag and mail it to my new character, right?

You were complaining about an inconvenience, people gave ways to avoid it. I don't think anybody said anything about you threatening to leave the game. We just said, "Oh, well here's what you can do." In the time it took to reply to everyone who had the gall to point out the solutions, you could've run a Smash alert and paid for 3-4 bags. So yes, we agree, it's not that big of a deal.

jonesing4 · October 2017

eviltwintwo said:
Why do you tell me things I already know and have already done? I was complaining about the removal of a convenience (a MINOR complaint), not threatening to leave the game or lamenting the "fact" that I couldn't get bags anymore. At any rate, it's not that big of a deal. I'll get used to it.

I have no idea what you know or have done. I can only judge by what you communicate, and it didn't sound like you already knew or had done what was suggested:

eviltwintwo said:
I mean, you do realize that I'll be stuck with one bag (which I'll have to empty that much more often) whereas before I could just get a bag and mail it to my new character, right?

Since you aren't in fact stuck with one bag, I guess two people thought it would be helpful to mention ways of not being stuck with one bag (which you thought you were, judging by what you wrote). In the time it took you to reply to every person who had the gall to offer a solution to the inconvenience, you could've run a Smash alert, picked up 4 G's, and bought 3-4 bags that would work just fine. So yes, we agree, it's not that big of a deal.

jennymachx · October 2017

I agree with Sterga; Making the bags bind to account would have been the better solution.

But as mentioned, the bags are so affordable and the amount of globals needed to purchase them can be earned with such little time and effort that it's probably a pretty trivial change.

eviltwintwo · October 2017

jonesing4 said:

eviltwintwo said:
Why do you tell me things I already know and have already done? I was complaining about the removal of a convenience (a MINOR complaint), not threatening to leave the game or lamenting the "fact" that I couldn't get bags anymore. At any rate, it's not that big of a deal. I'll get used to it.
I have no idea what you know or have done. I can only judge by what you communicate, and it didn't sound like you already knew or had done what was suggested:
eviltwintwo said:
I mean, you do realize that I'll be stuck with one bag (which I'll have to empty that much more often) whereas before I could just get a bag and mail it to my new character, right?
Since you aren't in fact stuck with one bag, I guess two people thought it would be helpful to mention ways of not being stuck with one bag (which you thought you were, judging by what you wrote). In the time it took you to reply to every person who had the gall to offer a solution to the inconvenience, you could've run a Smash alert, picked up 4 G's, and bought 3-4 bags that would work just fine. So yes, we agree, it's not that big of a deal.

Hey listen, I'm not mad or anything, neither at you or the devs. I was initially a little irritated at the loss of a convenience. The irritation was from what I see as a less-than-ideal response to a cheap, greedy tactic some players used by selling bags in the auction house. I don't like losing something, even something small, because other people do questionable things. As I said, I'll get used to it.

revanantmorituri · October 2017

sekhmet46 said:
> @eviltwintwo said:

> Bags from the general vendors now bind to character upon purchase.

>

>

> So in other words, the next time I want to buy a bag and give it to a new character, I can't. Way to punish everyone for the bad behavior of some.

>

> I mean, you do realize that I'll be stuck with one bag (which I'll have to empty that much more often) whereas before I could just get a bag and mail it to my new character, right? Just when you get used to something convenient....

>

> Would it have killed you to disallow the sale of bags on the auction house??

Um... The most expensive bag is like 7.5 G. That doesn't take long for a new character to earn.

I'm generally well out of Westside before I've earned that much. and Desert/Canada is where I can start collecting Fusion materials.

flyingfinn · October 2017

Well, you can allways hop in the Hideout, grab some Gs and buy the Bags.
Not that complicated.

sterga · October 2017

It's a complaint about the loss of a convenient feature in favor of putting up with some dumb BS. The original complaint said NOTHING about being difficult to work around, only that it was annoying. The education system has failed so many of you.

ealford1985 · October 2017

Most of my lvl 6s always just got some G and bought all the bags in the beginning...

I'm literally doing the exact same thing I've always done. This change doesn't change anything for me.

flyingfinn · October 2017

Hop in the Hideout, grab some gs, buy the bags.
Switch to alt, buy the bags, mail the bags, switch back to the character, grab the bags from the mail.
Yes, it is annoying.

beezeeze · October 2017

sterga said:
The education system has failed so many of you.

Wow that is a pretty rude and unwarranted comment toward people who apparently are only trying to be helpful. Perhaps you and the person who made the complaint didn't find their information to be useful, but who knows when someone new may be lurking who genuinely didn't know. Nah those people don't come here...they are(were) too busy getting scammed into buying overpriced bags from the AH. I wonder what they'll do now... probably complain in zone that they can't buy bags from the AH anymore.

violetnychus · October 2017

This bag change is not that big of a deal but IS symptomatic of the weird way the developers just do not seem to remember account bind in general.

sterga · October 2017

beezeeze wrote: »

Wow that is a pretty rude and unwarranted comment toward people who apparently are only trying to be helpful.

So is refusing to read what the author wrote several times and constantly telling him/her "it isn't hard" to work around. It's not helpful if you completely ignore what someone wrote to interject a solution to a problem that isn't there.

pantagruel01 · October 2017

sterga said:
It's a complaint about the loss of a convenient feature in favor of putting up with some dumb BS. The original complaint said NOTHING about being difficult to work around, only that it was annoying. The education system has failed so many of you.

Annoyance implies effort implies at least some level of difficulty, though not necessarily very large. In general mailing yourself bags is inferior to just transferring globals via a hideout bank (as globals have uses other than buying bags) but there are some players who don't have hideouts, and it's not particularly well advertised that 'get a hideout' is the way you go about getting a shared bank.

beezeeze · October 2017

sterga said:

So is refusing to read what the author wrote several times and constantly telling him/her "it isn't hard" to work around. It's not helpful if you completely ignore what someone wrote to interject a solution to a problem that isn't there.

The problem as stated was that they could not buy bags on one character and transfer those bags to another character. The solution is transfer globals instead, it may not be the ideal solution, yeah bind to account bags would probably be better... but wait. You can't put account bound items in the mail even if you're just trying to send them to yourself... so you'd need a hideout bank anyway. So really that is not too different than transferring globals is it? Bind to account on equip bags wouldn't work either..as those could still be posted on the AH at insane prices as a means to scam newer players.

ealford1985 · October 2017

sterga said:

So is refusing to read what the author wrote several times and constantly telling him/her "it isn't hard" to work around. It's not helpful if you completely ignore what someone wrote to interject a solution to a problem that isn't there.

Yes, can we please respect the author.

Oh right...it's release notes. So I guess the complaint and suggestions aren't needed or required, at all. Guess that is solved.

guyhumual · October 2017

Hmm, speaking of bags and storage, any chance we'll get some more storage for all these new mods you've dropped on us?

avianos · October 2017

No Kidding, those Dual mods became obnoxious

pantagruel01 · October 2017

It's only increased the number of stat mod types by 350%, what are people complaining about?

eviltwintwo · October 2017

Okay, I did not know I'd started this level of discussion. Wish I couldn't been here to say something before, but I had to leave my house for a couple of days for work. So here's what I have to say:

sterga said:
It's a complaint about the loss of a convenient feature in favor of putting up with some dumb BS. The original complaint said NOTHING about being difficult to work around, only that it was annoying. The education system has failed so many of you.

Thank you very much, Sterga, for attempting to come to my defense. I appreciate it! One word of advice--don't post angry, or even irritated. I did that, and it caused some growling between you & beezeeze, an effect which I did not intend. I apologize to you both for being the grenade pin on that.

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Just so you guys know, I wasn't quite as angry as I may have sounded. I was irritated that I was losing a convenience, and my irritation (to start with, at least) was at the situation, not at a person. But boy, did I drop the ball on that soon afterward.

Considering the brevity of my first post, as well as the fact that I referred to transferring bags in mail as "something convenient", some people made assumptions that could be interpreted as, well, a stretch. And since, more assumptions have been made.

How long have I been playing? Do I participate in Alerts? Am I in a super group? Do I have a hideout?

To be honest, such assumptions don't matter at this point. So let me direct a few things to specific people:

kaizerin said:

You attempted to say something helpful, and I snapped at you. That was wrong, and I apologize.

jonesing4 said:

Shouldn't have snapped at you, either. I apologize.

sekhmet46 said:

Um... The most expensive bag is like 7.5 G. That doesn't take long for a new character to earn.

I...am still not sure what the price of bags has to do with what I was saying. I liked getting a second bag on my character as soon as I created/recreated it, that way I'd leave Ren Center with one less thing to do later. That being said, your post was neither insulting nor incorrect. I therefore apologize for my irritable, unwarranted response.

eviltwintwo · October 2017

revanantmorituri said:

sekhmet46 said:
> @eviltwintwo said:

> Bags from the general vendors now bind to character upon purchase.

>

>

> So in other words, the next time I want to buy a bag and give it to a new character, I can't. Way to punish everyone for the bad behavior of some.

>

> I mean, you do realize that I'll be stuck with one bag (which I'll have to empty that much more often) whereas before I could just get a bag and mail it to my new character, right? Just when you get used to something convenient....

>

> Would it have killed you to disallow the sale of bags on the auction house??

Um... The most expensive bag is like 7.5 G. That doesn't take long for a new character to earn.
I'm generally well out of Westside before I've earned that much. and Desert/Canada is where I can start collecting Fusion materials.

Prior to realizing I could mail bags to myself, I would play until I had 4G or so, then buy the next-to-largest bag. And that's still my go-to bag. I just don't see spending over 3G more just to get 2 more slots. Maybe they need to lower the prices on the larger bags??

EDIT
Or maybe they should remove all but the biggest bag from the game, and allow it to be bought for 1G. It's not like actual gameplay is phenomenally affected by having a large selection of bags to choose from. And most bag sizes they have aren't really useful since you can wait just a little while longer and buy a bigger one, anyway.

The even larger bag on the Z store can remain for those who want it.

jonesing4 · October 2017

eviltwintwo said:
Shouldn't have snapped at you, either. I apologize.

Not necessary, from my perspective, but kudos nonetheless. Doubt I helped anything, so apologies as well.

revanantmorituri · October 2017

eviltwintwo said:

revanantmorituri said:

sekhmet46 said:
> @eviltwintwo said:

> Bags from the general vendors now bind to character upon purchase.

>

>

> So in other words, the next time I want to buy a bag and give it to a new character, I can't. Way to punish everyone for the bad behavior of some.

>

> I mean, you do realize that I'll be stuck with one bag (which I'll have to empty that much more often) whereas before I could just get a bag and mail it to my new character, right? Just when you get used to something convenient....

>

> Would it have killed you to disallow the sale of bags on the auction house??

Um... The most expensive bag is like 7.5 G. That doesn't take long for a new character to earn.
I'm generally well out of Westside before I've earned that much. and Desert/Canada is where I can start collecting Fusion materials.
Prior to realizing I could mail bags to myself, I would play until I had 4G or so, then buy the next-to-largest bag. And that's still my go-to bag. I just don't see spending over 3G more just to get 2 more slots. Maybe they need to lower the prices on the larger bags??

Bag sizes are a legacy feature left over from the pre On Alert days when bag size was linked to crafting level and (iirc) character level. Simplifying them would be a QoL improvement, considering where Cryptic makes the money is in selling bag SLOTS to Silvers.

eviltwintwo · October 2017

revanantmorituri said:

Bag sizes are a legacy feature left over from the pre On Alert days when bag size was linked to crafting level and (iirc) character level. Simplifying them would be a QoL improvement, considering where Cryptic makes the money is in selling bag SLOTS to Silvers.

I wasn't specifically aware of that, having started playing after that was done, so thanks. Personally, I never buy bag slots, I get a second bag and live with having just two bags on my characters. It's not that I've never spent money on the game; I just don't want to keep buying bag slots on characters, especially as often as I erase & restart them.

jonesing4 said:

eviltwintwo said:
Shouldn't have snapped at you, either. I apologize.

Not necessary, from my perspective, but kudos nonetheless. Doubt I helped anything, so apologies as well.

On the bright side, I never went into name-calling and harsh language.

And attempting to help is just as good as actually helping, even if I missed that at first.

Release Notes 9/28/2017

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