FC.31.20170427.8 - Destroids Rise Again changes

kaiserin · May 2017

Destroids Rise Again

Lowered Mega Destroid HP to 6 million each.
The Mega Destroids will no longer reset their health completely if a wipe occurs. Instead their health will reset to their closest health bar (33%, 66% or 100%).
The Mega Destroids now have a passive that causes them to regen health at a minor rate while in combat.
The Mega Destroids will now initiate combat much more quickly if they detect a player nearby.
When one Mega Destroid falls the other will receive a stacking damage and resistance buff after a short amount of time has passed.
When the Mega Destroids are linked up it will be indicated by a large red aura, and there will be occasional flyover text indicating such.
If a Mega Destroid's health gets too out of sync with the other's, the one with the highest health will reduce its damage slightly to increase the defenses of the lower health Mega Destroid. This buff will drop off once their hit points even out. The Destroid receiving the buff will have a regenerating aura on it.
Changed the Retribution devices from a destructable object to a regular attackable npc.
Moved some of the initial mobs in the open mission out of the way of questing areas.
Added Impervious mod to the vendor.

Memorial Park

Foxbattlebot and Destroid ambush mobs will now vanish when the Destroids Rise Again open mission hits its final stage. They will respawn a few minutes after it completes or fails.
Civilians in the park area will now flee once the Destroids Rise Again open mission hits its final stage. (Note: This is not something that we can easily place onto other civilians. It has to be done on a case by case basis).
Added some additional ambiance and randomness to the civilians in the park area to make it feel less static.

Misc

Warlord now requires rescuing all of the scientists in order to progress to the boss fight.
Fixed a bug where many of the eye auras had low priority, causing them to vanish easily.
Fixed a bug with the dripping venom aura coloring.
Fixed a texture issue with the female Ponytail hair on Hairstyle B.
Added dripping ink aura to the Drifter.

flyingfinn · May 2017

"Warlord now requires rescuing all of the scientists in order to progress to the boss fight."
Finally.
byhbyh speedracers.

sterga · May 2017

"When the Mega Destroids are linked up it will be indicated by a large red aura, and there will be occasional flyover text"

Is that the same flyover text that spams us with messages of some putz getting crap out of a lockbox? Because pretty much everyone has learned to tune out anything that appears there by now. You can thank your overlords for ruining that for you.

Civilians should throw hotdogs at the Mega Ds and have a .0001% chance to cause relish poisoning.

"Warlord now requires rescuing all of the scientists in order to progress to the boss fight."

Lame. I'm no fan of morons that rush ahead and clog the doors with mobs screwing over everyone behind them, but needing to kill so much stuff is annoying. Isn't that big room with dreadful mob placement and knock happy trash punishment enough? The best part of the lair is fighting the boss, not the annoying mobs in the way.

How about removing that gimpy powersuit requirement? I know I get sick of having to swap an item from my device slot just for some junky powersuit I would never use even on the worst ATs.

jennymachx · May 2017

I can't think of any better solution to prevent people from rushing Warlord than to make it a requirement for players to clear those mobs before him, so kudos on that.

nbkxs · May 2017

I foresee lots of rushing to warlord, and then everyone standing there silently while they wait stubbornly for someone else to go clear up everything they skipped. On another note, on the Mega d OM, something is bugging out the vehicles, not sure what's causing it.

baelogventure · May 2017

kaizerin said:
Warlord now requires rescuing all of the scientists in order to progress to the boss fight.

chaosdrgnz43 · May 2017

Welp. No more speedruns.

Maybe Hi-Pan Alert needs the same treatment. Been seeing twits rushing to boss ignoring mobs.

Curious question, will Trauma work against Mega Ds?

aiqa · May 2017

Since this is turning out as a significantly difficult fight, I think it needs some rewards that would work for everyone.

The old OM was mostly a source of resources, and I think the game really doesn't need any less of those. So I would like if resources stay the primary reason for running it. 15G for everyone that reaches a certain minimum score would be enough to get people to attend, and 15G for the whole thing isn't something that would break the economy in any way (running alerts would still be faster, but very boring).

avianos · May 2017

Warlord now requires rescuing all of the scientists in order to progress to the boss fight.

chaosdrgnz43 wrote: »

Curious question, will Trauma work against Mega Ds?

NO because Trauma doesn't work on percent% heal which cosmics use

roughbearmattach · May 2017

kaizerin said:
Destroids Rise Again
off once their hit points even out. The Destroid receiving the buff will have a regenerating aura on it.
Changed the Retribution devices from a destructable object to a regular attackable npc.
Moved some of the initial mobs in the open mission out of the way of questing areas.

Both superb changes.

roughbearmattach · May 2017

Maybe, since all the scientists must be rescued, some knock attacks on Shadow Army mobs could be replaced with something else, like other munitions powers. For instance, maybe one type of mob can bust out a flamethrower, or use Holdout Shot?

avianos · May 2017

Indeed, since the warlord is getting slighty revamp, the MOBs crazy knocks need to be adressed

not only all of them are spamming Knocks, but it seems that the knocks ignore blocking as well

Beyond the speedrunning issue, people had been avoiding agroing mobs because of the Knock abuse from the NPCs, and this is important

Proper actions need to be taken for the balance of the alert and the Knock Abuse, because this is getting out of hand

draogn · May 2017

So this is the patch for adding even more tedium to the game. While speedruns were annoying, this is just going to make the entire alert annoying especially with all the knockbacks.

Now that Warlords is going to take longer are you going to adjust the rewards to compensate?

spinnytop · May 2017

kaizerin said:
If a Mega Destroid's health gets too out of sync with the other's, the one with the highest health will reduce its damage slightly to increase the defenses of the lower health Mega Destroid. This buff will drop off once their hit points even out. The Destroid receiving the buff will have a regenerating aura on it.

Literally forcing people to do the fight right xD

draogn said:
So this is the patch for adding even more tedium to the game. While speedruns were annoying, this is just going to make the entire alert annoying especially with all the knockbacks.

Now that Warlords is going to take longer are you going to adjust the rewards to compensate?

No, because this was the indented length for the current reward. It just took them a long time to deal with the speedrun problem. Also longer =/= tedious.

roughbearmattach · May 2017

spinnytop said:

draogn said:
So this is the patch for adding even more tedium to the game. While speedruns were annoying, this is just going to make the entire alert annoying especially with all the knockbacks.

Now that Warlords is going to take longer are you going to adjust the rewards to compensate?
No, because this was the indented length for the current reward. It just took them a long time to deal with the speedrun problem. Also longer =/= tedious.

This alert never intended that all scientists be rescued--it was always about getting to the last scientist at the end.

That being said, special alerts seem like they're being adjusted so that effort/time match reward somewhat better. For instance, the drop rate for Hi-Pan is much lower than before.

Now, the fairly generous reward table from Warlord will match the revamped run time.

pantagruel01 · May 2017

draogn said:
So this is the patch for adding even more tedium to the game. While speedruns were annoying, this is just going to make the entire alert annoying especially with all the knockbacks.

Now that Warlords is going to take longer are you going to adjust the rewards to compensate?

Unless there's a hidden scientist in the back of the second or third room, it's not going to take appreciably longer. While speedruns exist, most teams actually wipe out everything in their path.

sterga · May 2017

pantagruel01 wrote: »

Unless there's a hidden scientist in the back of the second or third room, it's not going to take appreciably longer. While speedruns exist, most teams actually wipe out everything in their path.

No one ever does the 3 side mobs in the room after the elevator, 5 of the mob groups in the room after unless they get aggroed from a bad knock, or the mob group at the opposite end of the hall. "Wip[ing] out everything in their path" still means skipping most of the scientists.

Skipping all of those things, especially in the large room, is generally safer for teams with new players or not as beefy toons due to that knock spam making a mess. Knock spam is annoying even to beefy toons or ones with high knock resist and this change can easily double the time it takes to get to Warlord. Which is the most aggravating part of the alert.

I don't actually see those idiots that like to rush Warlord all that often, so don't see it magically being more of an issues with people simply letting others kill the bulk of the trash while sitting at the end. Honestly, I'd just leave if I saw that anyway and I'm sure it would cause others to drop as well, which would be my way of screwing over the people trying to screw over the team. Scumbags that can't be assed to be a team player in team content can solo the whole thing.

pantagruel01 · May 2017

sterga said:
No one ever does the 3 side mobs in the room after the elevator, 5 of the mob groups in the room after unless they get aggroed from a bad knock, or the mob group at the opposite end of the hall.

Not sure what the third group you're talking about is, but otherwise agree. I have no idea if there are scientists back there, though.

sterga · May 2017

After the big room, there is a small section of hallway going the opposite way. Most groups I'm in skip that mob / scientist.

pantagruel01 · May 2017

sterga said:
After the big room, there is a small section of hallway going the opposite way. Most groups I'm in skip that mob / scientist.

Ah. I see him freed fairly often, mostly because of people being sloppy about area effects.

theravenforce · May 2017

Suggestion: Rename "Blot Aura(s)" to "Ambient Energy Aura(s)"

Suggestion: If possible, could the 'Blot' Aura be more concentrated on the character model when the character is moving? When using a travel power the aura all but vanishes and trails behind as little dots, instead of coalescing where it should (at least for the hands).

riverocean · May 2017

The Warlord changes are fine.. even with taking out all the mobs it's still remains a fairly short encounter. I'd be shocked if teams take more than 10 minutes to finish it. The speed rushers will just switch to mega-dps AOE builds.

The Mega-D changes fight mechanics look very interesting and smart. Players will have to pay attention to mechanics.. which serves as good training for later game cosmic encounters. "Oh I better pay attention to the Boss's tells!!!".

pantagruel01 · May 2017

Hm. Are these mega-Ds at a challenge level appropriate for GCR content now?

draogn · May 2017

roughbearmattach said:

spinnytop said:

draogn said:
So this is the patch for adding even more tedium to the game. While speedruns were annoying, this is just going to make the entire alert annoying especially with all the knockbacks.

Now that Warlords is going to take longer are you going to adjust the rewards to compensate?
No, because this was the indented length for the current reward. It just took them a long time to deal with the speedrun problem. Also longer =/= tedious.
This alert never intended that all scientists be rescued--it was always about getting to the last scientist at the end.

That being said, special alerts seem like they're being adjusted so that effort/time match reward somewhat better. For instance, the drop rate for Hi-Pan is much lower than before.

Now, the fairly generous reward table from Warlord will match the revamped run time.

Last few times I was in there all I got was a pitiful amount of gs. There is only one item, the uranium depleted mod, that has any kind of real value to it. With all the knockback in Warlords the effort/time don't come close to matching the reward.

theravenforce · May 2017

Fight seems like it needs a bit more to it, now, this could be because everyone there likely had really good gear but I feel like some of the Mega D's attacks should take a few tips from Onslaught Medusa.

The very large maintained AoE (Destroyer Wave esque one, whiteish wireframe) should drain energy per tick if not blocked as well as deal damage or simply drain energy regardless but do considerably less damage when blocked.

Thunderclap as everyone stated, needs a wireframe or a tell.

aiqa · May 2017

The Mega Destroyers need strong punch/eyebeam attacks. The Cone would be more fun if it was more random. The more dangerous stuff is all big AoE at the moment, making the fight a bit easy for tanks.

theravenforce · May 2017

Suggestion: Possible Perks associated with Hotdog Consumption:

10 Hotdogs: "Relish the Fight" title
50 Hotdogs: "All the Toppings" title
100 Hotdogs: "Hotdog Stand Hero" title
200 Hotdogs: [Become Hotdog Vendor]

Become Hotdog Vendor - You become a culinary force for good, force feeding your enemies into submission with relished goods.

Powers:

Flying utensils (Energy Builder)
Throw Frankfurter (Charged Attack)
Bun Shield (Block)
Mustard Mayhem (Maintained Cone)
Eat (self heal)
Freshly Served (heal other by throwing hotdog at them)
Not so Freshly Served (damage enemies by throwing decaying/off hotdog at them, applies deadly poison)

Slotted Passive: Employee of the Month - Increases Food Damage. Grants Resistance to Damage and increases the healing you can do.

roughbearmattach · May 2017

draogn said:

Last few times I was in there all I got was a pitiful amount of gs. There is only one item, the uranium depleted mod, that has any kind of real value to it. With all the knockback in Warlords the effort/time don't come close to matching the reward.

There are the Warlord costume parts, too. I the Gs are similar to a Smash (unlike the Hi-Pan alert).

In the last rotation of Warlord, I got two DUCs and something like 10 Warlord costume parts in about 100 runs.

draogn · May 2017

roughbearmattach said:

draogn said:

Last few times I was in there all I got was a pitiful amount of gs. There is only one item, the uranium depleted mod, that has any kind of real value to it. With all the knockback in Warlords the effort/time don't come close to matching the reward.
There are the Warlord costume parts, too. I the Gs are similar to a Smash (unlike the Hi-Pan alert).

In the last rotation of Warlord, I got two DUCs and something like 10 Warlord costume parts in about 100 runs.

The warlord pieces, in my experience, don't sell for much and that's a terrible ratio vs time spent. There is a reason why they needed to add the vigilance mission to coax people into queuing up.

pantagruel01 · May 2017

So, we managed to reach stage 4, but we didn't have enough players to beat that stage and apparently their regen is bugged; depending on how much they regen, I eyeball it at 8-10 minimum (tank, healer, 2+ dps, on each mega), and for that number it's probably gonna take 20m to run the whole OM. Might be good to have team size scaling, though; 40 players should obliterate it. Something like 4m hp, +5% per person in the area?

kamokami · May 2017

pantagruel01 said:
So, we managed to reach stage 4, but we didn't have enough players to beat that stage and apparently their regen is bugged; depending on how much they regen, I eyeball it at 8-10 minimum (tank, healer, 2+ dps, on each mega), and for that number it's probably gonna take 20m to run the whole OM. Might be good to have team size scaling, though; 40 players should obliterate it. Something like 4m hp, +5% per person in the area?

I'd worry that "people in the area" type scaling would prevent regular runs from completing it on time due to randoms or people leveling. Especially in MC.

If 30-40 people decide to show up they probably should just obliterate it. After the initial novelty wears off, don't think that will be a regular enough occurrence to worry about.

waybig · May 2017

Don't make the mega D OM scaling with players, this not going to be good specially in MC

magpieuk2014 · May 2017

If 30-40 people decide to show up they probably should just obliterate it. After the initial novelty wears off, don't think that will be a regular enough occurrence to worry about.

It'll be largely ignored in a fortnight, I think, judging by most things in MC...

pantagruel01 · May 2017

magpieuk2014 said:
It'll be largely ignored in a fortnight, I think, judging by most things in MC...

The basic problem is with rewards. If you make the rewards reasonable for a small team to do the mission (probably 20-25 minutes to complete all stages, though most of the team isn't all that needed until stage 4), they'll be excessively generous for a large team (probably 10m to complete all stages); if you make them reasonable for a large team, attempting it with a small team is nonsensical. There's a few solutions to that, and they all have flaws:

Scale the missions with team size (e.g. Qliphotic Warzone missions).
Scale the rewards with team size (seems likely to cause bad feelings).
Scale the rewards based on placement on the top score list (known to cause bad feelings).
Accept that the mission will be set on farm mode.
Accept that the mission will pretty much never be done.

darqaura2 · May 2017

pantagruel01 said:

magpieuk2014 said:
It'll be largely ignored in a fortnight, I think, judging by most things in MC...
The basic problem is with rewards. If you make the rewards reasonable for a small team to do the mission (probably 20-25 minutes to complete all stages, though most of the team isn't all that needed until stage 4), they'll be excessively generous for a large team (probably 10m to complete all stages); if you make them reasonable for a large team, attempting it with a small team is nonsensical. There's a few solutions to that, and they all have flaws:
Scale the missions with team size (e.g. Qliphotic Warzone missions).
Scale the rewards with team size (seems likely to cause bad feelings).
Scale the rewards based on placement on the top score list (known to cause bad feelings).
Accept that the mission will be set on farm mode.
Accept that the mission will pretty much never be done.

I'm fine with the way it is. Scaling in MC is too problematic to work well.

pantagruel01 · May 2017

darqaura2 said:
I'm fine with the way it is. Scaling in MC is too problematic to work well.

It's not really any more problematic than anywhere else. Not a lot of random people go through the area the fight is in.

theravenforce · May 2017

Patch Notes soon?

roughbearmattach · May 2017

pantagruel01 said:

darqaura2 said:
I'm fine with the way it is. Scaling in MC is too problematic to work well.
It's not really any more problematic than anywhere else. Not a lot of random people go through the area the fight is in.

Myself and a couple other folks farm mods there.

Also, this area is a regular pass-through for OVs.

stratluver · May 2017

theravenforce wrote: »

Patch Notes soon?

https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/championsonline#/discussion/1208486/fc-31-20170518-1-misc-changes?sso=eyJ1bmlxdWVpZCI6IjkzODQzODY4IiwibmFtZSI6InN0cmF0bHV2ZXIiLCJlbWFpbCI6ImJtcndoaXNrZXJzMkBtc24uY29tIiwicGhvdG91cmwiOiJodHRwczpcL1wvd3d3LmFyY2dhbWVzLmNvbVwvaW1hZ2VzXC9hY2NvdW50XC91c2VyLmpwZyIsInJvbGVzIjoiTWVtYmVyIiwiY2xpZW50X2lkIjoiMTQ0Mzk2ODk4MSJ9+97080258a203b9bb4bd7bc500b9963fcb69c9863+1495148232+hmacsha1

That might be what you're looking for.

rtma · May 2017

kaizerin said:

Warlord now requires rescuing all of the scientists in order to progress to the boss fight.

You guys should of had this from the beginning, quite the oversight, better late then never I suppose.

FC.31.20170427.8 - Destroids Rise Again changes

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