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Just the other day some people got hero games going again. I fought messiah in BASH and some people in stronghold. Why can't you guys queue more often?
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For instance (and I'm aware these games are completely different I know )
If I was playin Halo and was a terrible shot, I still had that chance to win with some fluke grenade or some fluke rifle butt to the head.
In PVP, if I walk in with my normal build against some super built pvp build...I'm probably never going to get a kill. Not even a Hail Mary grenade...that just isn't fun to me.
Some people like pvp, and I don't think it should die. It needs to address the issues of why more people who want to pvp don't...I only know why I don't.
Maybe a Pick your AT queue could be fun? Have it random?
Simple, between the aloof attitudes of a bulk of the PvP playerbase, the substantial capability difference between PvE and PvP builds and the fact that in PvP you need to bring the highest end gear/devices/mods to stand even half a chance, makes is a big no-no for most people.
in other words, community dominated by select few, with no chance for new people to really "get into" it without getting insta murdered, makes most people take one stab at it and go "ugh.. never doing that again"
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Yeah some things are broken... no I don't use/abuse them.. where would be the fun in that?
That said, Zombie Apocalypse is a fun romp that any character can play (It's just that, well, most people would rather do something else that actually nets something you can use or want).
However, on the original point:
Epic Stronghold
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Also I tend to play glass cannons in pvp and that's not fun for anyone u3u Remember how IMP used to yell at me cause I would make BASH end in like 2 minutes? If Messiah is still in there then you know that's gonna happen, cause I pissed him off good - he can't help but come after me... and then I sit back and laaaaaaaugh as pvp kills itself with its own ego `D` ...er I mean... get sad because I got killed a bunch o3o that's what I meant!
PS - after reading some of your other responses and how excited and "old luci" you're getting already, I think it's best that pvp stay dead just so we don't have to deal with your emotional explosions on the forums again ^_^ so many banned accounts...
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I also think the draw for a lot of people playing is the "be the hero you want to be" (or whatever that tagline was) aspect. But when you play in PVP it is very difficult to "be the hero you want to be" and perform well when people ignore the tagline, and just "be whatever is most effective"; and i think most who PVP want to feel they stand a some chance, and like it is a fair competition..
Any and all balance seems to have just been left to it's own devices.. I recall when ego storm used to lock people out completely for several seconds basically allowing anyone to kill someone whilst they stood there helplessly, that was left in the game for what seemed like a very, very long time. Actually, PVP as a whole appears to have been outright abandoned, there are still queue bugs in herogames that have been there for what seem like years.
I remember seeing many people on the forums posting stuff against PVPers whenever they'd try and get something changed that basically ruined PVP entirely; people posting "balance is impossible" as if no semblance of balance could ever hope to make the game better, and cryptic seemed to have taken their advice; and now you have a game where the disparity between some builds is beyond belief.
Another important incentive i would say is the reward system. The game doesn't provide alternatives from PVE to earning gear, there is basically no incentive to play PVP to gear up at all.. For someone who only enjoys the PVP aspect of the game, they'll most likely quit rather than participating in the ridiculous PVE grind just to have the best gear for PVP performance.
See the main problem with BASH is that it's free for all, so you're never going to get that fun balanced fair situation you want. BASH is for people who enjoy unfair pvp, and who thrive in that sort of situation. Can't be thin skinned and hope to have a good time in BASH, no matter how well balanced the game gets.
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I take this quote from a review that I agree with.
"customisation is so linear; everyone is after the optimal dps:survivability ratio with 0 reliance on other players = autonomous gameplay... Players don't need each other anymore... which in my opinion is a bad thing."
Its pretty simple actually, imagine developers being creators of 2 children, one they cared about and gave him all their attention, helping him with his needs and problems and another one was ignored, mocked and laughed at by everyone who knew about his existence, also being left alone with his weak, diseased and rotting body.
Now its quite easy to see which one of them will be slowly dying, dont you think?
The reason is because creators dont care and this is why pvp should be left to die in peace, that's all.
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- Because i never enjoyed any form of PvP whatsoever, be it on CO on in any other MMO.
- Because my characters are themed, and thus so is their build ; if i have to select a very precise range of powers to have
a decent PvP build at the cost of ruining the theme, that's a no.
- Because i find PvP rewards (Luchador costume options) uninteresting, unless one actively wants to look like El Santo. Which i don't.
one way they could ever fix that (without spending hundreds/thousands of man-hours rebalancing everything to work well in both PvE and PvP, which is impossible because the two game modes are not and never will be comparable to each other) is do for their build swap system what neverwinter is about to do with its similar loadout system - but it will never happen here, because if they actually added the ability to swap entire builds (including gear and specs) on the fly instead of the glorified costume/aura changer it is now, no one would ever buy freeform slots again
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Winning PvP, well, that there's a different endeavour entirely, but duking it out against other people who could attack from any angle at any time was way more fun than the dueling and super-rare pop of a PvP queue once in a bloodmoon.
It encouraged players to think about how they were built, and redesign their characters a little to give them an edge. A little bit of stealth here, a shield there. Tweaks, rather than build overhauls.
There were some who went too far and worked out Da Optimal Build (BROWN EPIDEMIC GAS SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM LOVELYSPAAAAAM!) but when you were randomly grouped against a bunch of other people who built their characters to look cool and maybe take down a few mooks here and there, it was fun times.
The only disincentive is because acclaim is basically worthless to anybody who has already unlocked all the relevant costumes related to it. I say to make people play more, how about a daily Q mission and maybe swap out acclaim for Recognition and stick the Acclaim rewards in the recognition store, since it makes sense for a hero to gain international recognition for fighting in a sporting event, no?
1) Team PvP would need to be reworked so that PvE builds could still participate. In other games there are siege weapons and the like, that allow otherwise delicate builds a bit of dps and tankiness, but they are stationary which makes them easy targets. This usually happens during hold and capture games. (A reworked stronghold could handle this.)
2) Rewards for PvP just blow... seriously. If you want people to even venture a thought of getting 100 losses in a row, then a 100pt item needs to be worth the humiliation.
3) Keep BASH the way it has been, a free for all, however for the love of god put in a safe spawn point to prevent the merciless farming of those who are in way over their head. While you can’t stop jerks from being jerks, you can give a warning sign to the fresh meat that there are sharks in the water.
4) I would go so far as to offer AT currency and FF currency for the divided games. The items would be Bind on Equip, not pickup. To encourage AT participation in their own games. Making the rewards identical or different doesn’t matter to me. However AT currency rewarded hero games could make ATs more relevant beyond what they are now.
5) Or we should just nuke PvP from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure it stays dead.
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The delusion is strong, within some folks. Reality check: 1,2.
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Lots of whining about themes though. Lots.