Earth dps/controller

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• aiqa Posts: 2,620 Arc User

  January 2015 edited January 2015

  It looks nice for an earth build.
  I can see how this would do ok for the controller part, but I'm a bit sceptical about the dps part.
  What is the single target and AoE dps you get out of it?

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,844 Arc User

  January 2015 edited January 2015

  Yeah the dps is a bit low, but it is Earth, so..
  
  Regen dummy dps for ST is ~2.8k for Heroic/R4 mod gear level for me.
  AoE on the Regen dummy (charge Maelstrom -> 1x channel Quicksand) is ~2k per target.
  
  I imagine taking Concentration and Vindicator over Sentinel could bump the ST dps by about 15-20% or so, but that's losing out on Wither for group dps, as well as the strong controller aspect.

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• moxiedanger Posts: 189 Arc User

  February 2015 edited February 2015

  Hey Flow, this has some great bits in it for a character I'm leveling. Question though: how would you go about reworking this for a more Support-oriented build? I'm thinking of going PRE PSS / Sentinel / Overseer for the Vulnerability/Wither/Trapped trifecta, but I'm not sure what Passive and/or Toggle I want. AoRP with Compassion or Manipulation is the frontrunner right now. Thoughts?

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,844 Arc User

  February 2015 edited February 2015

  Well, by sheer coincidence I do have a Support version of this build (not exactly the same attack powers, but it has a similar concept of mixing Earth + stuns).
  
  Main thing to exploit for the theme if ur making an Earth-based healer is that Fissure's Reconstruct can heal other players, and that Cave In on Staggered targets will proc Sentinel Mastery due to the baseline stun.
  
  Only main drawback to Supporting w/ it is that ya don't get the stun on Cave In unless ya full-charge it. Ya have to allot urself enough time to cast Cave In (after staggering w/ something like stone shot)- and that may be harder to do as a healer.. which is why I'd recommend AoRP or AoPM + PF_MF for a build like that (w/ high HPS heals and passive heal effects, means less time devoted to directly healing others).
  
  Here's a version similar to an Earth-based cleric build I've used in the past. It's Rampage-worthy Support by max level:
  
  PowerHouse (Link to this build)
  
  Super Stats:
  Level 6: Presence (Primary)
  Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
  Level 15: Intelligence (Secondary)
  
  Talents:
  Level 1: The Glacier
  Level 6: Shrug It Off
  Level 9: Healthy Mind
  Level 12: Diplomatic
  Level 15: Acrobat
  Level 18: Finesse
  Level 21: Coordinated
  
  Powers:
  Level 1: Eldritch Bolts
  Level 1: Stone Shot (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 6: Aura of Radiant Protection (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 8: Compassion
  Level 11: Iniquity (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 14: Conviction (Rank 2, Reverence)
  Level 17: Molecular Self-Assembly
  Level 20: Telekinetic Maelstrom (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 23: Fissure (Reconstruct)
  Level 26: Redemption (Rank 2, Salvation)
  Level 29: Quicksand (Rank 2)
  Level 32: Ascension
  Level 35: Cave In (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 38:
  
  Travel Powers:
  Level 6:
  Level 35:
  
  Specializations:
  Presence: Repurpose (3/3)
  Presence: Selfless Ally (2/2)
  Presence: Dominion (2/2)
  Presence: Moment of Glory (3/3)
  Sentinel: Torment (2/2)
  Sentinel: Caregiver (3/3)
  Sentinel: Sentinel Aura (2/3)
  Sentinel: Moment of Need (1/3)
  Sentinel: Wither (2/2)
  Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
  Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
  Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
  Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
  Mastery: Sentinel Mastery (1/1)
  
  Left a slot and some adv points open for options.
  
  Ya can hold off on getting Cave In since Sent Mastery isn't attained till max level anyways, and I'd imagine being a more fleshed-out Support is more important before then.
  
  Oh, and the 2nd spec is kinda up for grabs. Stuns don't proc Trapped in Overseer, so I'd prob not use that, but otherwise it kinda just depends on ur priorities. Guardian or Warden is good for boosting personal defense and dps, but I'd also consider Vindicator (offense -> defense, personal dps via stronger crits + offensive expertise for Ascension), Sentry (great mix of ST dps via Precise, stronger stuns, and more ally support), Protector (more personal defense and/or health), or even Arbiter (for Concussion, Ruthless, Rend, and Enhanced Gear).

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• jaazaniah1 Posts: 5,534 Arc User

  February 2015 edited February 2015

  Funny, I was just thinking of doing some sort of ranged earth build, and this looks fun.
  
  I was wondering if Stone Shot + Shard Burst followed by Cave In + Aggressive Gravitation would be useful for getting stacks of Enrage (maybe add in Howl to refresh the stacks)?
  
  Since there is only one AO would Anguish be more useful than Offensive Expertise?
  
  Also curious how you find it's survivability?

  

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,844 Arc User

  February 2015 edited February 2015

  jaazaniah1 wrote: »

  Funny, I was just thinking of doing some sort of ranged earth build, and this looks fun.
  
  I was wondering if Stone Shot + Shard Burst followed by Cave In + Aggressive Gravitation would be useful for getting stacks of Enrage (maybe add in Howl to refresh the stacks)?

  
  Yeah, ya can use Cave In just fine for Enrage builds that way, but keep in mind ya can't have >1 stack of Enrage if ur already using a diff (not Enrage-granting) toggle, and most Earth spells are classed as Ranged. Like, ya couldn't use Manip in my original build if ya did that (well.. ya could, but any Enrage stacks ya get will be canceled if they ever go past 1).
  

  Since there is only one AO would Anguish be more useful than Offensive Expertise?

  
  Up to you. Anguish isn't much dps per point, but its more consistent and automated.
  

  Also curious how you find it's survivability?

  
  The dps-oriented one in the OP? Its low on passive defense, but can be fine depending on if ya add more survival oriented stuff in the open power slots (also expertise + Con SS means ya get more health from Con). Against trash, it should be easy once ya get Sent Mastery. The AoE healing from AoE stunning everything w/ Maelstrom and then following up w/ Quicksand is pretty hilarious. Even before max level, you'll lockdown groups of mobs w/ Manip + Maelstrom on cd.
  
  If ya want an easy time w/ Gravi, ya can always swap to Earth Form instead of Quarry, but I haven't found that necc from my experience (w/ enough heals/ADs).
  
  The Cleric/Compassion version is quite sturdy if ya get AoRP, and high bonus healing makes recovering health a breeze w/ Conviction. Even the AoPM version is good if ya consider how strong the self-healing will be.

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• jaazaniah1 Posts: 5,534 Arc User

  February 2015 edited February 2015

  Thanks. I was just going by the old wiki where it talks about building stacks of Enrage and I was not sure if those could add up in addition to Manipulator. I suppose if it did work that way there would be a lot of people using it.
  

  flowcyto wrote: »

  Yeah, ya can use Cave In just fine for Enrage builds that way, but keep in mind ya can't have >1 stack of Enrage if ur already using a diff (not Enrage-granting) toggle, and most Earth spells are classed as Ranged. Like, ya couldn't use Manip in my original build if ya did that (well.. ya could, but any Enrage stacks ya get will be canceled if they ever go past 1).
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• flowcyto Posts: 12,844 Arc User

  February 2015 edited February 2015

  jaazaniah1 wrote: »

  Thanks. I was just going by the old wiki where it talks about building stacks of Enrage and I was not sure if those could add up in addition to Manipulator. I suppose if it did work that way there would be a lot of people using it.

  Yeah I'm almost certain the 1-stack rule was implemented cause it'd be too powerful to allow effectively >1 toggle to run simultaneously. It just makes sense for balance reasons.

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• ogkelt Posts: 17 Arc User

  December 2016 edited December 2016

  flowcyto said:

  
  

  
  

  jaazaniah1 wrote: »

  
  

  Thanks. I was just going by the old wiki where it talks about building stacks of Enrage and I was not sure if those could add up in addition to Manipulator. I suppose if it did work that way there would be a lot of people using it.

  
  
  Yeah I'm almost certain the 1-stack rule was implemented cause it'd be too powerful to allow effectively >1 toggle to run simultaneously. It just makes sense for balance reasons.

  Are these builds still viable Flow? Someone told me that earth got nerfed on the dps. I am specifically interested in levelling up the earth/cleric build if its still solid.

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,844 Arc User

  December 2016 edited December 2016

  Earth never really got nerfed. It got some changes a few years back that on the whole helped it a bit. But its never really been a very strong set. Ranged Earth is still decent enough, though, and this build is still good for a controller version of it that mixes dps w/ stuns and some background healing. Keep in mind that Cave In only stuns on full-charge and vs. Staggered targets, so you want to stone shot the target first. TK Maelstrom can also proc Manip.
  
  A more straight-forward dps version of this would take Concentration and use something like Guardicator for specs, as I mentioned in my 1st reply here. The rest of the build can mostly remain in-tact, though you could change TK Maelstrom and/or Quicksand for a diff AoE if you wanted then, and/or add the Crushing debuff from Burst Shot (if ya dun mind the theme disparity). Example of a more standard ranged Earth dps:
  
  (Unnamed Build) - Freeform
  
  Super Stats
  Level 6: Intelligence (Primary)
  Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
  Level 15: Dexterity (Secondary)
  
  Talents
  Level 1: The Glacier (Con: 10, End: 10, Dex: 8, Int: 10)
  Level 6: Covert Ops Training (Str: 3, Dex: 3, Con: 3, Int: 3)
  Level 9: Healthy Mind (Con: 5, Int: 5)
  Level 12: Acrobat (Dex: 5, Con: 5)
  Level 15: Coordinated (Dex: 5, Int: 5)
  Level 18: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
  Level 21: Negotiator (Int: 5, Rec: 5)
  
  Powers
  Level 1: Wield Earth
  Level 1: Stone Shot (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 6: Tremor (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 8: Quarry (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 11: Concentration
  Level 14: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 17: Molecular Self-Assembly
  Level 20: Cave In (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 23: Hurl (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 26: Resurgence (Rank 2)
  Level 29: Ego Surge (Nimble Mind)
  Level 32: Burst Shot (Taking Names)
  Level 35:
  Level 38:
  Adv. Points: 30/36
  
  Travel Powers
  Level 6:
  Level 35:
  
  Specializations
  Intelligence: Enlightened (3/3)
  Intelligence: Battle of Wits (2/3)
  Intelligence: Detect Vulnerability (3/3)
  Intelligence: Expertise (2/2)
  Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
  Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
  Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
  Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
  Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
  Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
  Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
  Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
  Mastery: Intelligence Mastery (1/1)
  
  Open power slots are for w/e ya want. Could also use a DEX/Int/Con SS setup. Gears mostly for Int and Con, regardless.

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• ogkelt Posts: 17 Arc User

  December 2016

  Thanks mate. great info as always.

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