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New to FF building and need some insight

ogkeltogkelt Posts: 17 Arc User
edited November 2016 in Builds and Roles
I am working on a hybrid PA/PFF build, and I have the basics I think I need, but I am unsure where to go with the rest of it.
Here is where I am so far.

I want the survivability of pff but I also want to be able to eventually swap tactical missiles with concussor beam and run 3 toggles
for as long as possible.

Edit: Made some small refinements

PowerHouse   (Link to this build)

Name: PA/Force

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Intelligence (Primary)
Level 10: Endurance (Secondary)
Level 15: Recovery (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Impulse
Level 6: Investigator
Level 9: Negotiator
Level 12: Amazing Stamina
Level 15: Quick Recovery
Level 18: Boundless Reserves
Level 21: Field Ops Training

Powers:
Level 1: Power Bolts (It Burns)
Level 1: Eye Beam (Rank 2, 20/20 Fission)
Level 6: Overdrive
Level 8: Personal Force Field (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Micro Munitions (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 14: Support Drones (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17:
Level 20:
Level 23:
Level 26:
Level 29:
Level 32:
Level 35:
Level 38:

Travel Powers:
Level 6:
Level 35:

Specializations:


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  • UnknownUnknown
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  • ogkeltogkelt Posts: 17 Arc User
    gradii said:

    I would wait for the power armor changes to be live, beucase theyre seriously messing with the set on PTS right now, what works now will almost definitely not work the same soon enough.

    Ugh, any idea when the changes are going live? I have already started this build on a new toon!
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  • ogkeltogkelt Posts: 17 Arc User
    gradii said:

    ogkelt said:

    gradii said:

    I would wait for the power armor changes to be live, beucase theyre seriously messing with the set on PTS right now, what works now will almost definitely not work the same soon enough.

    Ugh, any idea when the changes are going live? I have already started this build on a new toon!
    No idea I think it could be as early as thursday (if the management is feeling particularly stupid) or as late as next month?
    thanks
  • jojenmaihemjojenmaihem Posts: 161 Arc User
    You can still make the build and pray for a recton when the changes to PA and LS comes to live.

    If you want to make somenthing why you going to stop? Make it, learn from the build and make another stronger.
  • ogkeltogkelt Posts: 17 Arc User
    Well I got a retcon, but I haven't been to the PTS so I have no idea how I should rebuild.
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,844 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    PA can go fully beam-based or missile based. Or a mix of both. Also, do you want the standard toggle style that ticks rapidly, or the toggles that back-end their dmg on a huge hit? (ie. Shoulder Launcher) The latter has to wait for most of its dmg and is much more bursty, but takes considerably less energy overall, and has less options avail (only 2, really: Shoulder Launcher and Hand Cannon). So, pick a style and/or attack theme.

    Regardless, 3-slot PA likely isn't gonna happen for you if ur learning the ropes and/or have low-quality gear and stats. You can still do decent w/ 2 attack slots, though.

    Other option is to use non-slotted ranged PA, which is overall easier to manage, but ur options there are more limited, and EUs aren't as easy of a fit since they aren't toggles or maintains.

    Regardless, you can make many diff PA toons that all use very diff attacks or combinations of attacks. You may want to settle on >1 PA toon eventually if you want to experience what its diff styles can be like.
    <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
  • ogkeltogkelt Posts: 17 Arc User
    flowcyto said:

    PA can go fully beam-based or missile based. Or a mix of both. Also, do you want the standard toggle style that ticks rapidly, or the toggles that back-end their dmg on a huge hit? (ie. Shoulder Launcher) The latter has to wait for most of its dmg and is much more bursty, but takes considerably less energy overall. and has less options avail (only 2, really: Shoulder Launcher and Hand Cannon). So, pick a style and/or attack theme.

    Regardless, 3-slot PA likely isn't gonna happen for you if ur learning the ropes and/or have low-quality gear and stats. You can still do decent w/ 2 attack slots, though.

    Other option is to use non-slotted ranged PA, which is overall easier to manage, but ur options there are more limited, and EUs aren't as easy of a fit since they aren't toggles or maintains.

    I like the beams, not really looking for 3 slot toggles, since even before the changes my gear/stats weren't good enough to maintain 3 toggles. I used to use the minigun and concussor, this time around I am thinking concussor, chest beam, eye beam or switching to shoulder launcher when I get to where I can train it.

    I am not even stuck on pff, I just want a bit of survivability and decent dps for alerts and pve questing.

  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,844 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    Well, Invuln is a good passive for a hybrid dps build that wants to be sturdy, but can't rely on getting hit constantly in groups to take Defiance. Regen could also work for the hands-off healing when going through power lockouts due to using slotted powers, but won't take heavy hits as well.

    A 2-slot combo that should be easier on energy would use either Shoulder Launcher or Hand Cannon as one of its slots (or just take both and settle on the back-ended, charge-style toggle plasytyle). Shoulder Launcher is a 10ft sphere AoE, so it can be easier to AoE w/ than the thin cylinders of other toggles (though it can also KB). Plasma Beam can also AoE for the hand slot, but requires getting used to its manual aiming and 3ft cylinder. Slotted PA's best spammable AoE, though, is prob Micro Muni- due to its 15ft sphere radius. Using a chest slot like Micro Muni means you can't use Recon Circuits simultaneously for its healing, though.

    So, maybe have a sphere based AoE setup for easy grinding (Micro Muni + Shoulder Launcher), and Shoulder Launcher + Concussor Beam (to fit the Beam theme) for single-targets and/or when you want to use Recon Circuits in the chest. Shoulder Launcher is used in both cases to still have decent added dps w/o burdening energy as much.

    Maybe something like this:

    (Unnamed Build) - Freeform

    Super Stats
    Level 6: Ego (Primary)
    Level 10: Endurance (Secondary)
    Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

    Talents
    Level 1: The Scourge (Con: 10, End: 8, Ego: 10, Rec: 10)
    Level 6: Ascetic (Con: 5, Ego: 5)
    Level 9: Boundless Reserves (Con: 5, End: 5)
    Level 12: Daredevil (Ego: 5, End: 5)
    Level 15: Wordly (Ego: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 18: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 21: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)

    Powers
    Level 1: Power Bolts
    Level 1: Concussor Beam (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 6: Invulnerability (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 8: Concentration
    Level 11: Micro Munitions (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 14: Overdrive
    Level 17: Shoulder Launcher (Rank 2, Rank 3, Accelerated Metabolism)
    Level 20: Reconstruction Circuits (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 23: Resurgence (Rank 2)
    Level 26: Masterful Dodge
    Level 29: Energy Shield (Rank 2, Phalanx Defense System)
    Level 32: Ego Surge (Nimble Mind)
    Level 35: Rebirth
    Level 38: Fire All Weapons (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Adv. Points: 34/36

    Travel Powers
    Level 6:
    Level 35:

    Specializations
    Ego: Force of Will (2/2)
    Ego: Insight (3/3)
    Ego: Follow Through (3/3)
    Ego: Sixth Sense (2/3)
    Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
    Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
    Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
    Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
    Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
    Vindicator: Focused Strikes (2/3)
    Vindicator: Mass Destruction (3/3)
    Mastery: Ego Mastery (1/1)

    Gears mostly for Ego, but still needs a decent amount of End for Overdrive, and Con for maxHP and Ego Surge's adv.
    <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
  • ogkeltogkelt Posts: 17 Arc User
    Thanks flow, I'll give a try straight away!
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,844 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    Np. I should add that for really early leveling I may just settle on taking Tac Missiles w/ its Blast Radius adv (which you can tap-spam or half-charge for its splash AoE, and full charge for single targets), until you get around lvl 11, retrain at a PH, start to spec the full build above and have Micro Muni for AoE grinding immediately:

    (Unnamed Build) - Freeform

    Super Stats
    Level 6: Ego (Primary)
    Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)

    Talents
    Level 1: The Scourge (Con: 10, End: 8, Ego: 10, Rec: 10)
    Level 6: Wordly (Ego: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 9: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)

    Powers
    Level 1: Power Bolts
    Level 1: Tactical Missiles (Rank 2, Blast Radius)
    Level 6: Invulnerability (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 8: Concentration
    <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
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