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mrnery
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A little background:
I left CO about 4 years ago, when it was vibrant and new, mostly because of the inherited players from CoH. A lot of things were promising back then, AP's, comic series, and the hero games were fun to explore and made the game interesting to play. I was silver back then but was looking forward to going gold (long story short i lost my gaming pc and was not able to replace it for a long time).
I have conflicting feelings about the game today, i didn't think twice about going gold after i returned, and i don't regret it... I love the game and the ability to build almost anything my geeky mind can conjure.... but a lot of things worry me. The following is my rant in the hopes that the devs can recover that feeling of joy I had playing Champions online back in 2011/2012
Alerts seem to have completly taken over the game, while this is good for leveling characters it substantially undermines the concept, no patroling, no missions, no interaction. It limits how rewarding the game can be... perhaps, allow alerts as a price after you reach lvl 40 with a toon? make them something you have to travel to do? I don't know... sitting around and waiting to kill the same mobs over and over gets tiresome pretty quick.
I miss the heroe games. they were wicked fun when they were new. I'm saddened to see that the same rewards they had when i last played are still the only prices available today. Please, Please do something to revive them, exclusive parts, unique costumes every month or so. Special events with grand prices for the overall best players. Anything, you have an amazing pvp plataform there and it hurts to see it empty.
Player generated content. You know what's cool? making stuff on this game, characters, nemesis, etc. I love pnp Rpg's and i would just jump at the chance to create a comic style mission with lots of twists. It would also take the weight off your shoulders when it comes to creating new content. If someone comes up with a good idea, pick it, produce it further, and reward that player... but perhaps that's too much to ask.
I won't go into high level content, as i'm just shy of getting my first toon to lvl 40, so i'm putting most of my hopes there. I know most of the players left have been here for years, but that's also a problem i sense. The goal does not seem to be exploring the game anymore, it's reaching level 40 to do the exclusive missions. Shortcuts, special powers and lairs are there to tell me "you have to get there now"
I love this game, it has a strong base, and i have never played something as unique. I really hope someone reads this, and I really hope you can fulfill the expectations I (and apparently others) have of what this game can be.
Please, please surprise me.
I left CO about 4 years ago, when it was vibrant and new, mostly because of the inherited players from CoH. A lot of things were promising back then, AP's, comic series, and the hero games were fun to explore and made the game interesting to play. I was silver back then but was looking forward to going gold (long story short i lost my gaming pc and was not able to replace it for a long time).
I have conflicting feelings about the game today, i didn't think twice about going gold after i returned, and i don't regret it... I love the game and the ability to build almost anything my geeky mind can conjure.... but a lot of things worry me. The following is my rant in the hopes that the devs can recover that feeling of joy I had playing Champions online back in 2011/2012
Alerts seem to have completly taken over the game, while this is good for leveling characters it substantially undermines the concept, no patroling, no missions, no interaction. It limits how rewarding the game can be... perhaps, allow alerts as a price after you reach lvl 40 with a toon? make them something you have to travel to do? I don't know... sitting around and waiting to kill the same mobs over and over gets tiresome pretty quick.
I miss the heroe games. they were wicked fun when they were new. I'm saddened to see that the same rewards they had when i last played are still the only prices available today. Please, Please do something to revive them, exclusive parts, unique costumes every month or so. Special events with grand prices for the overall best players. Anything, you have an amazing pvp plataform there and it hurts to see it empty.
Player generated content. You know what's cool? making stuff on this game, characters, nemesis, etc. I love pnp Rpg's and i would just jump at the chance to create a comic style mission with lots of twists. It would also take the weight off your shoulders when it comes to creating new content. If someone comes up with a good idea, pick it, produce it further, and reward that player... but perhaps that's too much to ask.
I won't go into high level content, as i'm just shy of getting my first toon to lvl 40, so i'm putting most of my hopes there. I know most of the players left have been here for years, but that's also a problem i sense. The goal does not seem to be exploring the game anymore, it's reaching level 40 to do the exclusive missions. Shortcuts, special powers and lairs are there to tell me "you have to get there now"
I love this game, it has a strong base, and i have never played something as unique. I really hope someone reads this, and I really hope you can fulfill the expectations I (and apparently others) have of what this game can be.
Please, please surprise me.
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Craft system is now used for fusing mods and the skills are now success rates...so bye bye crafting system.
Create your own missions aka Foundry. Been asked for...doesn't seem to be in the future.
I agree with alerts and I've always wanted events that are in other zones. With the revamped Cosmics and some of Halloween being in Vibora Bay...that is about it as far as encouraging exploration
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Alerts are the worse things for new players. I've seen players who were almost 40 complain about content but never had done VBA...
We have had some shitty luck with this game being passed around and not given priority, losing good Devs and such. We currently have a player turned Dev...and although everyone has their idea what makes a good game, she is the best thing we have to having ears on the ground and making this game better.
CO isn't for everyone, it's best to play the game for what it is and not what we would make it. But it never hurts to throw out ideas.
I find the content just as rewarding, but maybe something can be done to make it more appealing and group encouraged.
And yea I agree that player content would rock but it might be a bit much as of right now since they are trying to do other things atm.
Really for me, the funnest thing is this game is the character creation. Fun to create, play for a bit then meh. I come from old school EQ days where there were 6-8ish starting areas so games with 1 starting area makes starting new characters repetitive; same story, same quests, etc.
I hate fetch questing games but this game kind of takes away from the traditional fetch-questing because there are a lot dungeon type of missions and that's really fun. The problem is, there's nobody to group with so its another solo mmorpg experience for me.
Then I discovered alerts! I love these! It's the only group experience I've had in the game and I get really excited about it and it means I don't have to do the ridiculous go here, go there, fetch that, bring it there, etc (WoW Junk). They need more and they definitely need to be longer, like not 5 mins, more like 30-45 minutes.
I accidentally ran "Resistance" the other day, solo, at level 15, and it was hard af but I had no idea how long or in depth that it was going to be. It was so much fun but it's a shame that I didn't have a super group to do it with.
It's also shame that this game doesn't have active PvP. Normally I PvP my way to max level and that's my play style but since i hate questing, Alerts are all I have. But I'm already bored of that to be honest; not enough diversity.
The problem with having a 1 trick pony-character is that it gets old fast. Asian mmorpg's do that, where you pick a weapon type and that's your class for the whole game and that's no good; this game is kind of like that. Again, EQ Gamer here, so i'm spoiled... But you know what else?- TES Gamer here too... So I'm spoiled with having multiple weapon choices and multiple play styles and an insane amount of spells. Even Diablo 1 has more spells than the average mmorpg these days.
Anyways, I downloaded the game for my 7 year old son and me to play together and that's suffice because we only play 3-4 hours a week. But Solo wise, as much as I want to, I'm already bored; No pvp, no grouping really, and a lack of character skill-diversity leaving you hungry to make a new character just to experience a new play style but then you have to do the same story line again = infinite loop.
Also this game sort of lacks incentive to level up. I've been spamming 1 & 2 basically since level 1. Some of the new skills are relevant but hardly tactically useful because its a tab-target-hack n slash. So yeah...
There's a lot I still haven't figured out though and I'm sure I'm missing a lot of the fun stuff but I want to do it with a team, not solo.
Going to log in now and probably run in circles. or not, idk. Good Day
Tab-target hand.n.slash? depends on build.
Also, if you are getting into the game now you should learn the ins and outs of Nightmare Invasion.
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So, you mentioned that you hate fetch quests and endless travel. But by your own admittance Alerts get tedious.
Maybe a balance would be better, I don't know. Make the alerts longer and revamp the perks to give more xp and special rewards per completion of missions?
Hero games: A mixture of long time unbalance of a few select powers, permanent AD, the queue being borked, no rewards and the outright toxic attitude of players more or less killed what life the hero games had... sure they fixed the perma AD and OP powers and added in a few rewards.. but too little too late...this one can be put down to bad management.
Player generated content: we've been told the nem system isn't going to get touched ever.. and as awesome as it would be to have a foundry style system that lets players make their own missions, I can guarantee, given how the general attitude of the CO playerbase is.. it would be abused for easy gain... or if they made it not give a reward.. nobody would play it.
High level content: there's two types.. the old stuff which can be soloed easily enough with a compotent build.. and the new stuff which requires a team/large group of highly compotient players to do...as for it being the main reason people play.. that's easy enough to explain, a combonation of low drop chance and content diffcuility means that items that drop from them have inhernet value.. so people farm the stuff to sell it.. for G or key or whatever.
Final statement: CO is going to be what you make of it.. not what is given to you.
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Edit: The channel name is Contests-Central.
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crafting got shot and buried, we got mods and fusing.
old gear got dumped. we went from 8 stats to 3 ss's.
we gained spec trees.
we lost some costume drops form different places.
alerts turned up, people complained about lowbies making alerts fail. so after a while they swapped Smash and grab alerts around.People spam them because its quicker and gives Better rewards than running missions.
Hero games did get new stuff recently, Heroic gear was added. that wasn't there before because it was only put in, in the last month.
The action packs, comic series were down, for the most part, before on alert.
Just after on alert, our devs got 'borrowed' to help NW which was behind. WE never got them back.
For the next couple of years we, got vehicles, lockboxes and mini events, usually to launch lockboxes or the custom alerts.
2 years ago, we got cryptic north who did a good job, then got split up and transferred.
Now we are back at the HQ with the current group , who are trying to get stuff done.
They've got more done , than the last 4 years total.
that's about it.
The company has been more interested in the other 2 games, so this one got not much done.
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Yeah, these were old school "Don't have sex" scare tactics.
Ok, done throwing up? What were we talking about?
Right returning players something something...
Welcome back. Have fun. Always wear a spacesuit.
I'd like to see more solo-friendly missions at the mid-range level that can be 'stealthed'.
If getting over the hump wasn't so painful, I'd probably play this game more often.
As for solo missions, many are very friendly to stealthy heroes. Where are you looking? Which zones? Vibora Bay Crisis would be great.
Also, do you have gear? How good is it? Does it match your super stats? You might find some really good, cheap green gear in the auction house.
Hit me up in game @roughbear if you need help, advice, or gear. I am sure I can outfit your toon very well, including mods.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
Level 30 was the dead zone where Help A Citizen Missions cut off that created Alerts (ie, a way to hang around the main game population and still get some action while teaming with noobs without having to hold a team together)
stobg2015 can use his stealth in Alerts if he learns to be patient and attack last in a lethal finishing strike, or 40 or so lethal finishing strikes as it tends to be. He's afraid to adapt. What would his mentor Woody say?
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
NOTE: there are some areas with flying enemies, but they're not very high altitude.
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