New Zone! AWESOME! Now tone down the grind a bit and you'll get somewhere.

gradii · August 2016

I'm really excited for the new Qliphothic warzone but worried by the sheer level of grind items are still locked behind in this game. They'd really be onto something if they reduced the grind by say one third. then people would be more motivated to play and not feel like they'll never reach theyre goals.

That said a new zone is a step in the right direction. Maybe we'll see the grind lessened or alleviated in some way next.

chaelk · August 2016

This is the group grind, they haven't got to the solo grind yet.

gemini2099 · August 2016

Grind isn't bad if it isn't locked behind a series of RNG drops. The problem is that you can't have all tiers requires the same level of grind. I expect Justice gear to be grindy, but simple devices should not take just as long.

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nepht · August 2016

Careful now each time we ask them to tone down the grind they amp it up to 11.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-F2HKLzB6c

rebornmonster79 · August 2016

Wanna know what really grinds my gears? People oblivious to the plan. Grinding is here to stay is kind of a mmorpg staple if people wanted real change they'd use their power as a consumer but apathic laziness prevents most from doing this.

nepht · August 2016

rebornmonster79#9330 said:
Wanna know what really grinds my gears? People oblivious to the plan. Grinding is here to stay is kind of a mmorpg staple if people wanted real change they'd use their power as a consumer but apathic laziness prevents most from doing this.

Lets play the I quit game. You go first.

gemini2099 · August 2016

Grinding is not a good retention mechanic for freemium MMORPGs.

The grinding is done to slow down power creep. Expect to see more power adjustments to bring them in line with the rest of powers.

themightyzenith · August 2016

nepht said:

rebornmonster79#9330 said:
Wanna know what really grinds my gears? People oblivious to the plan. Grinding is here to stay is kind of a mmorpg staple if people wanted real change they'd use their power as a consumer but apathic laziness prevents most from doing this.
Lets play the I quit game. You go first.

HA!

prettycelt · August 2016

Ever since they jacked up the prices on Silver Champion gear (by a multiplier of x5!!), I no longer even bother doing the UNITY missions. I just spend some gold, buy blue Mercenary gear and call it done. The end result? I actually play LESS than before (and have less temptation to spend any money on Zen). As for Justice gear, who has that kind of patience? Especially with the rampant Knocks, Stuns, Holds, etc in those encounters? That's not enjoyable, it's torturous.

If you can't acquire the gear to survive the encounters, but you need to survive the encounters to get the gear (or literally grind repetitive content for months on end)...it's a vicious circle that just makes casual players give up.

So if ramping up the grind is their method of trying to encourage participation in end game content, they are going about it all wrong. It's the same with event-specific rewards that BoP to that individual toon...whose bright idea was that? Sure hope you had that alt made and ready to go BEFORE the event, or you'll be waiting a year til your next chance to get that aura...

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rebornmonster79 · August 2016

bluegrassbeast said:
Grind is never a good mechanic. Ever. It's a lazy stopgap by uninventive hacks. Its saying"we can't do anything interesting enough to keep butts in seats, so we'll stretch out what we have to make people think there's more content than there is."

Problem is? The only need for the high-end gear is to .. run the content you have to run to get the high-end gear. And the gear is (idiotically) Bind on Pickup, so you can't suffer through the experience -and no, the knocks, stupid gimmick attacks, and one shots? They're not fun. They're never fun - and break even on one character to then use them for getting proper gear for others - regardless of whether the group needs the role your character is - and the stats needed are such that no, just switching to a different passive and role won't fix that.

This game is on a bad path, and its approaching a point of no return - with the driver hammering the gas in glee despite the passengers trying to warn them about the cliff they're shooting toward - or just bailing out of the vehicle.

You just noticed the game has been on bad path? Been asleep have we. Imagine if you are brand new player and you see nightmare in front of you that is gear acquisition. Most would find a game is easier and not as much of a job.

rebornmonster79 · August 2016

Also amp it up to 22 why stop at 11. And I never quit nor admit defeat. Sometimes even the absurd or mad can see obvious truths the disillusioned cannot. Meow..

selphea · August 2016

The magic number for Merc Gear for me is 18,500 Q. One character maxing out their quota for a week will get their starting Primary set.

Yes you can alt, yes altaholics will be able to gear their alts in a day. But I believe in welfare. It's -Merc Gear-! The "lol you lose" lockbox result! The bottom of the barrel next to Justice, Distinguished, Legion and even Heroic! It's way too weak to significantly affect the economy.

And I'll be ok with the Q set price hike if they were fixed to add Green gear level CDR and Cost Discount. It's for standardization's sake. Every modern Utility piece gives CDR and Cost Discount http://forum.arcgames.com/championsonline/discussion/242944/give-11k-questionite-and-nemesis-utilities-cost-discount-and-cooldown-reduction#latest

Have to say though, i'd still lean towards introducing grindy higher end gear than making practically outdated existing sets harder to get.

New Zone! AWESOME! Now tone down the grind a bit and you'll get somewhere.

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