FC.31.20160702.1520.1 - Mayhem Lockbox | Penitent Archetype

kaiserin · July 2016

We have done a character wipe on PTS.

Mayhem Lockbox

Added Butterflies, Chaos Butterflies, Nebulous, and Rainy Day auras to the debugger.
Added Vorpal Blade power unlock to the debugger.

Collector Store

Added Toxic Steel costume, Bats Aura, Boiling Blood Aura, Toxic Scorpion Gravbike, Onslaught Supervillain Pack and Endbringer's Grasp items.

Drifter Store

Added Spotlight Aura.

Questionite

Added Fire and Fire Chain swinging travel powers to the questionite store.

PTS Debugger

Added Silverware weapon skin unlock.
Added Pixel and Money auras.
Added Permanent Party Bomb.
Added Shackle Ankle, Toothy Maw, and Prison Gauntlets costumes.

Misc

Vibora Bay costume drops now have a glowing symbol when dropped.
The Nightstick weapon is now colorable.
Added Knife as a free blade weapon costume.

Archetypes
Automaton

Automaton powers are no longer locked behind leveling up the automaton.
You will need to level to 40 to gain access to the automaton.
Removed Awakened archetype section on the archetype list.
Known bug: When logging in the game will tell you that you've unlocked the powers.

New Archetype: The Penitent
Note: Costume and Icons have not been implemented yet.
Primary Stat: Strength
Secondary Stats: Dexterity, Endurance.

Level 1: Reaper's Touch
Level 1: Slash OR Barbed Chain
Level 6: Cut Down OR Thunderbolt Lunge
Level 8: Unstoppable OR Way of the Warrior
Level 11: Aspect of the Bestial OR Form of the Swordsman
Level 14: Lacerating Cyclone OR Throwing Blades
Level 17: Gauntlet Chainsaw
Level 21: Antagonize OR Retaliation
Level 25: Wild Thing
Level 30: Barbed Lariat OR Holdout Shot
Level 35: Masterful Dodge OR Aggressor
Level 40: Breakaway Shot OR Evasive Maneuvers

nacito · July 2016

wow

soulforger · July 2016

Ok, so far, the Toothy Maw is female only, and the ankle shackle did not unlock for either male or female.

kyastral · July 2016

kaizerin said:
We have done a character wipe on PTS.

Mayhem Lockbox
Added Butterflies, Chaos Butterflies, Nebulous, and Rainy Day auras to the debugger.

Added Vorpal Blade power unlock to the debugger.

Collector Store
Added Toxic Steel costume, Bats Aura, Boiling Blood Aura, Toxic Scorpion Gravbike, Onslaught Supervillain Pack and Endbringer's Grasp items.

Drifter Store
Added Spotlight Aura.

Questionite
Added Fire and Fire Chain swinging travel powers to the questionite store.

PTS Debugger
Added Silverware weapon skin unlock.

Added Pixel and Money auras.

Added Permanent Party Bomb.

Added Shackle Ankle, Toothy Maw, and Prison Gauntlets costumes.

Misc
Vibora Bay costume drops now have a glowing symbol when dropped.

The Nightstick weapon is now colorable.

Added Knife as a free blade weapon costume.

Archetypes

Automaton
Automaton powers are no longer locked behind leveling up the automaton.

You will need to level to 40 to gain access to the automaton.

Removed Awakened archetype section on the archetype list.

Known bug: When logging in the game will tell you that you've unlocked the powers.

New Archetype: The Penitent

Note: Costume and Icons have not been implemented yet.

Primary Stat: Strength

Secondary Stats: Dexterity, Endurance.
Level 1: Reaper's Touch

Level 1: Slash OR Barbed Chain

Level 6: Cut Down OR Thunderbolt Lunge

Level 8: Unstoppable OR Way of the Warrior

Level 11: Aspect of the Bestial OR Form of the Swordsman

Level 14: Lacerating Cyclone OR Throwing Blades

Level 17: Gauntlet Chainsaw

Level 21: Antagonize OR Retaliation

Level 25: Wild Thing

Level 30: Barbed Lariat OR Holdout Shot

Level 35: Masterful Dodge OR Aggressor

Level 40: Breakaway Shot OR Evasive Maneuvers

Interesting.. with the removal of the Awakened archetype I can only assume that retcon gifts will follow.

Wait..so you are already placing some Spider Lockbox items in the Collector's store just because a new lockbox is coming out? Interesting...

If the Automaton powers are no longer locked behind a level up wall, what is the access level to them as far as gold and silver members?

heartstringsk3 · July 2016

kyastral said:
Interesting.. with the removal of the Awakened archetype I can only assume that retcon gifts will follow.

Wait..so you are already placing some Spider Lockbox items in the Collector's store just because a new lockbox is coming out? Interesting...

If the Automaton powers are no longer locked behind a level up wall, what is the access level to them as far as gold and silver members?

They're not removing the archetype, the Automaton is still an AT and it's unlocked when you hit 40 for the first time; presumably, that's when the powers unlock, too. They're just dropping the "Awakened" category on the Archetype Selection screen, probably because they gave up on the Awakened Archetypes idea. Also, Spider lockbox is Steel Arachnid stuff; Toxic Steel was a couple boxes back!

kyastral · July 2016

heartstringsk3 said:

kyastral said:
Interesting.. with the removal of the Awakened archetype I can only assume that retcon gifts will follow.

Wait..so you are already placing some Spider Lockbox items in the Collector's store just because a new lockbox is coming out? Interesting...

If the Automaton powers are no longer locked behind a level up wall, what is the access level to them as far as gold and silver members?
They're not removing the archetype, the Automaton is still an AT and it's unlocked when you hit 40 for the first time; presumably, that's when the powers unlock, too. They're just dropping the "Awakened" category on the Archetype Selection screen, probably because they gave up on the Awakened Archetypes idea. Also, Spider lockbox is Steel Arachnid stuff; Toxic Steel was a couple boxes back!

Still, I don't think that stuff is old enough to go into the Collectors lockbox. May as well not open any lockboxes until it hits the collector's store; the chances of getting those items are about the same between the two. In my opinion, nothing should go into the collector's lockbox until the end of the year. As far as I know the Timewarp event hasn't been cancelled yet, so why the rush to put those things behind a different barrier?

randomchance4242 · July 2016

Bug: Pixels aura is not showing up when used in the "in combat" slot. Works fine in "always on." Also, Rainy Day Aura has the opposite problem: Works in "in combat" only but not in "always on"

thelastsonofzod · July 2016

@kyastral
Timewarp event now drops collector lockboxes. It makes sense to populate that lockbox with items people want. As an early adopter, you can buy up lockbox items as they appear, or you can be patient and get vouchers when a collector's event comes around. In either case, someone is paying to open lockboxes, and someone is paying for items. I'd say we're good.

Feedback: I love a lot of the upcoming changes, particularly those dealing with Chains and my new favorite theme power, Cower

I really love the new auras. Cut down looks silly at the moment though, and needs a single blade pose.

Bug: The new chain travel powers aren't unlocking in the Q store.

avianos · July 2016

Misc
The Nightstick weapon is now colorable.

DOHOHOHOHOHOH
I'm sure nobody will exploit it to make Nightstick into something LEWD

Added Pixel and Money auras.

pIXELS EH? Im sure this will be a perfect addition for my Hologram-Virus
Just be careful to not be sued by Adam Sandler

Removed Awakened archetype section on the archetype list.

Rest in Pepperoni Awakened AT project

avianos · July 2016

Well the rumors were false, this certainly not a Celestial DPS AT

Level 1: Reaper's Touch
Level 1: Slash OR Barbed Chain
Level 6: Cut Down OR Thunderbolt Lunge
Level 8: Unstoppable OR Way of the Warrior
Level 11: Aspect of the Bestial OR Form of the Swordsman
Level 14: Lacerating Cyclone OR Throwing Blades
Level 17: Gauntlet Chainsaw
Level 21: Antagonize OR Retaliation
Level 25: Wild Thing
Level 30: Barbed Lariat OR Holdout Shot
Level 35: Masterful Dodge OR Aggressor
Level 40: Breakaway Shot OR Evasive Maneuvers

Now wait a minute, you are giving this AT the choice of Breakaway Shot without Buffing this power?

Come on now, even with the changes, Evasive Maneuvers is STILL gonna be the best option

Buff Breakaway Shot already, you ignored it since the Specialist update
Give it some useful Buff ADVs too, this power is so lackluster outside the animation

pallas0001 · July 2016

Thank you for allowing us to color nightsticks...

hopefully we are one step closer to owning escrima stitcks, and, dare i might even hope...

energy batons. LOL

edit: I noticed when I change the Resistance Nightstick's color in the Tailor it doesnt reflect the same color (continues to stay default white/ blue/ red) outside of Tailor.

roughbearmattach · July 2016

What is the idea/theme for the Penitent?
The combination of chain/blade/chainsaw/acrobatics/martial arts isn't coming together in my mind as an archetype.

avianos · July 2016

Looks like a Convict/Prisoner build
or the very least an Urban Street Fighter

Gauntlet Chainsaw feels out of place

soulforger · July 2016

Yeah, the gauntlet chainsaw does feel out of place on a convict. Everything else makes sense, but not the chainsaw.

I mean, I get what its trying to do (slashing damage city), but, chainsaw blade is random.

deadman20 · July 2016

Hehe...

Suggestion: The Penitent to use this costume:

heartstringsk3 · July 2016

Yeah, I also think the AT theme is a bit all over the place. Pretty sure it's supposed to be a Spawn knock-off, though, due to the chains and required chainsaw arm power, but you also have a sword and from 30+ you can choose a couple gun powers?

spinnytop · July 2016

deadman20 said:
Hehe...

Suggestion: The Penitent to use this costume:

I hear the Penitent is supposed to be a sort of "escaped prisoner" theme, not a cowboy.

chaelk · July 2016

also , are all those costume peices the free ones?

chaelk · July 2016

BUG:Name list. on PTS
Tester is not allowed, TESTES is

chaelk · July 2016

BUG:
spotlight aura.
when you change the colour turns off.
you have to put back in to turn it on again

deadman20 · July 2016

spinnytop wrote: »

Hehe...

Suggestion: The Penitent to use this costume:

I hear the Penitent is supposed to be a sort of "escaped prisoner" theme, not a cowboy.

From what I looked up, the definition of a Penitent is:
-A person who repents their sins or wrongdoings and (in the Christian Church) seeks forgiveness from God.

So, a redemption-seeker of sorts with a somewhat religious styling is what I understood it to be. With the pieces available, I decided to move toward a sort of Witch-hunter type costume. That isn't a cowboy hat.

chaelk wrote: »

also , are all those costume peices the free ones?

I believe the pieces in use for that costume are all starter pieces.

spinnytop · July 2016

deadman20 said:

From what I looked up, the definition of a Penitent is:

-A person who repents their sins or wrongdoings and (in the Christian Church) seeks forgiveness from God.

Yes I know, it's the definition that had a bunch of us convinced that it was going to be some sort of Celestial dps or tank for quite a while. Then dev said it's like an escaped prisoner, hence the chains.

deadman20 · July 2016

spinnytop wrote: »

From what I looked up, the definition of a Penitent is:

-A person who repents their sins or wrongdoings and (in the Christian Church) seeks forgiveness from God.

Yes I know, it's the definition that had a bunch of us convinced that it was going to be some sort of Celestial dps or tank for quite a while. Then dev said it's like an escaped prisoner, hence the chains.

Ah, but Celestial power typically means that they would be an Angel. The likes of which are supposed to be unable to repent if I understand correctly. Cursed to become Fallen Angels should they stray. In this case, the new AT cannot be a Celestial like many were hoping, but rather a simple man who had fallen down the wrong path and seeks to redeem his actions.

This would allow the mold of an "Escaped Prisoner" to fit since the character is trying to become a Hero to make up for previously being a Villain. The definition of a Penitent does not exactly entail Celestial power even if they are the ones that try to seek out forgiveness from them.

The Chains make sense too if you think about it. Take "A Christmas Carol" for example. Even though Jacob Marley is a ghost, he is a Penitent. He seeks forgiveness and redemption, but is forced to bear his chains due to his actions in life, each link supposedly being an individual sin he has gone through.

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I've probably gone on long enough and might have derailed a bit, but I think the costume would make a great fit and the powers on the AT to be spot on thematically with its name.

ironman12348 · July 2016

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kyastral · July 2016

deadman20 said:
Hehe...

Suggestion: The Penitent to use this costume:

Nice costume, but it reminds me of The Drifter too much, even though I know its not supposed to be a cowboy themed costume.

cheesesloppy · July 2016

So Imma talk about the new AT because I played it and like it a lot.

Though I like it, I do have a few issues with it. As of right now, it doesn't seem like there's much difference between Cut Down or Thunderbolt Lunge. Baring the bug that makes nailed to the ground for Cut Down cost way more than it should, the only reason to take it is looks. TBL does the same thing and has a Stun advantage, if you felt like taking that. Adding perhaps an adv to make it stack a bleed would help, and in fact would be awesome because it brings me to my next point.

Because it has no other guaranteed bleed proc, the only way to make sure you always are getting form stacks is to take Barbed Lariat. While Slash has a 50% chance on the second hit, I've gone multiple times where things just did not want to proc and thus I fell out of using Holdout Shot.

Lastly, Form of the Swordsman? I mean, I guess stacking Dex instead of Strength is doable. At that point you start losing effectiveness with a few of its specs, but that's the trade-off I suppose. (Edit: I've tested statting more Dex than Str and I can say it works pretty well, actually. A trade-off for more crit and access to a heal debuff. P'good.)

As for what I'd say to improve these points, well, I guess just add a way to get more consistent bleeds.

spinnytop · July 2016

deadman20 said:
Ah, but Celestial power typically means that they would be an Angel.

Not all Celestial characters are angels.

I'm just telling you what I was told.

chaosdrgnz43 · July 2016

Just messed around with the tailor to see if I can make a Penitent costume.

Tried to make it look like penitent former bad guy who uses chains. :P
I gotta admit it looks non-heroic. But isn't that what the Penitent AT is?

flowcyto · July 2016

For the Penitent, Gauntlet Chainsaw kinda sticks out as an oddity in the list as far as theme. It also doesn't really work w/ the rest of the AT's build too well- being very costly but not procing Bleeds at all to work w/ either toggle or the EU (nor can it knock for Unstoppable energy). Otherwise, the AT looks pretty good for trying to capture some of the recent power changes.

jaazaniah1 · July 2016

Since they got rid of the awakened automaton they had to put Chainsaw somewhere ;-)

flowcyto said:
For the Penitent, Gauntlet Chainsaw kinda sticks out as an oddity in the list as far as theme. It also doesn't really work w/ the rest of the AT's build too well- being very costly but not procing Bleeds at all to work w/ either toggle or the EU (nor can it knock for Unstoppable energy). Otherwise, the AT looks pretty good for trying to capture some of the recent power changes.

flowcyto · July 2016

Well, they could just make Chainsaw bleed innately. Why not? I mean it kinda makes sense, right?

jaazaniah1 · July 2016

Or amybe give it a 1 point bleed advantage.

kallethen · July 2016

jaazaniah1 wrote: »

Since they got rid of the awakened automaton they had to put Chainsaw somewhere ;-)

They didn't get rid of the Automaton. Just the silly requirement of leveling it to 40 to unlock it's special powers.

cheesesloppy · July 2016

flowcyto said:
For the Penitent, Gauntlet Chainsaw kinda sticks out as an oddity in the list as far as theme. It also doesn't really work w/ the rest of the AT's build too well- being very costly but not procing Bleeds at all to work w/ either toggle or the EU (nor can it knock for Unstoppable energy). Otherwise, the AT looks pretty good for trying to capture some of the recent power changes.

While it doesn't cause bleeding, when you have all that endurance and save up enough energy, or have that slow trickle from Wild Thing, you can actually maintain Chainsaw for quite a while. The best thing I've found is to take Barbed Lariat with Unstoppable, fully charged. Not only do you pop Wild Thing but the knock will give you a burst of energy from your passive, allowing you to get a pretty long duration maintain out of it.

flowcyto · July 2016

cheesesloppy said:

While it doesn't cause bleeding, when you have all that endurance and save up enough energy, or have that slow trickle from Wild Thing, you can actually maintain Chainsaw for quite a while. The best thing I've found is to take Barbed Lariat with Unstoppable, fully charged. Not only do you pop Wild Thing but the knock will give you a burst of energy from your passive, allowing you to get a pretty long duration maintain out of it.

Sure, but that strikes me as having to work around the issue a bit too much. The recent power changes have highlighted and revamped many powers to have many diff advs or potential effects to them- mine as well expand that to powers w/ more bare-bones effects like Chainsaw (straight up Slashing dmg in a tiny cylinder that devours energy) to make them easier to accommodate and a bit mote interesting (at least imo).

cheesesloppy · July 2016

flowcyto said:

cheesesloppy said:

While it doesn't cause bleeding, when you have all that endurance and save up enough energy, or have that slow trickle from Wild Thing, you can actually maintain Chainsaw for quite a while. The best thing I've found is to take Barbed Lariat with Unstoppable, fully charged. Not only do you pop Wild Thing but the knock will give you a burst of energy from your passive, allowing you to get a pretty long duration maintain out of it.
Sure, but that strikes me as having to work around the issue a bit too much. The recent power changes have highlighted and revamped many powers to have many diff advs or potential effects to them- mine as well expand that to powers w/ more bare-bones effects like Chainsaw (straight up Slashing dmg in a tiny cylinder that devours energy) to make them easier to accommodate and a bit mote interesting (at least imo).

It would be nice, but in my experience it's rather workable if you know what you're doing. Especially since Strength has a cost reduction for melee in its specs. Annoying workaround aside, though, having a melee focused passive and form makes this AT -Highly- damaging.

criswolf09 · July 2016

Also note that in the recent Bugfixes build they gave Chainsaw Gauntlet the Open Wound advantange which will cause the power to apply stacks of bleed over time.

flowcyto · July 2016

criswolf09 said:
Also note that in the recent Bugfixes build they gave Chainsaw Gauntlet the Open Wound advantange which will cause the power to apply stacks of bleed over time.

Aye, that change happened after this discussion took place

Open Wounds is still not working for it on the PTS, but hopefully they'll fix that.

magpieuk2014 · July 2016

Gauntlet Chainsaw doesn't really work as an animation (although it makes sense as a weapon). Ideally the Penitent (irony alert!) would have an actual chainsaw, heavy weapons style - although that might be an animation issue and (most likely) challenge the game's "T" rating.

FC.31.20160702.1520.1 - Mayhem Lockbox | Penitent Archetype

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