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Champions Online: June Subscriber Reward
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Check out the new June subscriber reward, the Kitsune head!
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/champions-online/news/detail/9993133-champions-online:-june-subscriber-reward
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/champions-online/news/detail/9993133-champions-online:-june-subscriber-reward
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Animal-styled villains are also abundant, whether it be a suit (Examples: Rhino and the Vulture, both from Spider-man) or the result of genetic experimentation (Example: the ani-men, notably serving as Nefario's minions during UXM 94-95).
In short, there are a ton of animal heroes and villains. And CO even has a specific reason for animal heroes and villains - Moreau's Manimals.
And the subscriber bonus has had general superhero pieces before, like the speedster goggles.
Further, what kind of 'universal superhero costumes' do you want? What do you think we don't have? We have a ton of tights pieces, so just saying 'more universal superhero costumes' isn't very helpful if you can't identify a specific need.
And let's talk about the chest emblems. Oh dear....
Oh yeah, and the masks.... the 5 pieces we have. Or was it 7... And the eyemasks, like the speedster goggles, distort horribly when mood is changed. They should re-do the masks to the way lucha ones are made. Like masks over your head. Not mask painted on yer one putty default face.
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But yeah, CO tights selections is kinda dated and it starts to show that majority of them are from the earliest part of the game life cycle.
Still, one more animal head in the costume selection is not a drama. Almost every generic costume pack includes some kind of tights, so we're bound to get somewhere, eventually.
And its not just superhero comicbooks (by which i assume you mean by publishers like Marvel and DC only, a rather limited view), but the superhero genre. That includes things which have only been cartoons, movies, etc... so long as they were identifiably in the genre.
And one whole subscriber reward being an animal head hardly justifies shifting the goalpost to 'more animalistic characters than humanoids'.
For some of these worlds, there are more animalistic heroes/villains than humanoid heroes/villains. While there are more humans overall in TMNT, when you count heroes and villains only, regular-looking humans are a minority. And of course something like Darkwing Duck is entirely anthropomorphic animals even in the background population, but its also entirely in-genre.
Even restricting ourselves to something like Marvel only, there's enough characters with animalistic features to justify significant costuming presence. Limiting ourselves to Uncanny X-Men through the first two major team compositions (issues #1-~170), for example, would give us the following breakdown in the X-Men:
Animalistic features (3)
Angel (wings), Beast (Blue fur post transformation), Nightcrawler (tail, fur)
No such features (10)
Cyclops, Jean Grey, Ice Man, Banshee, Storm, Wolverine, Shadowcat, Colossus, Havok, Polaris
That's about 1 in 4. That's a significant number.
Once you add in supporting cast and villains, it starts looking even better, because now you get to count several Starjammers, Shi'Ar (all have feathers), Sauron, Morlocks, Brood, etc... And many characters who didn't have animal traits, but also weren't normal human in appearance either.
That's not unique to X-Men either. Off the top of my head, Avengers in the same period had Tigra and Beast minimally (possibly more, the lineup changed more than X-Men did, so i'd need to look).
We don't need a majority animal-trait character presence to justify substantial animal costume options. We just need a significant minority of characters. And we clearly have that.
One of the new xmen recruits is basically a were-shark.
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I was just looking at classic silver/bronze age x-men. I mean, yeah, there's tons of animalistic mutant characters later, including Wolfsbane, Feral, Beak, arguably Marrow, and the snake-girl who was a stripper (better we forget that entire run though). Oh, and one of Cannonball's siblings had bird wings iirc? And Hepzibah gets to move from Starjammer to X-Man at some point. (And that's just off the top of my head, for periods i don't remember nearly as well).
Pretending there aren't a substantial number of animal-featured super-people (heroes/villains/etc...) just isn't tenable once you start going through and actually making a list.
Meeda said "furry" characters, not all animal-themed ones.
And phasestar talked about playing "as animals", not animal-themed characters. Animal themes are indeed very prevalent in superhero comic-books, but that's not what folks were talking about. I'd LOVE to see more animal-themed superhero costume sets like the classic and 90s Foxbat ones, steelhawk set and serpent lantern set. Time to make ones that are not bat, bird or snake-themed though. There are enough parts for these atm.
As far as the kitsune head goes, I can't really see myself using it. And if I did want a fox/kitsune head the fox head from the animal pack would do perfectly.
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Animal heads, animal tails, animal wings, fur, etc... not just an animal name. And its necessary to have heads, wings, tails, and appropriate hands/feet to handle such characters, because there's no requirement that any component will only be used with other animal components.
That's why i use the phrase 'animalistic features'. It's not loaded and perjorative like 'furries', and it covers everything from one such feature (Angel's wings) to full anthropomorphic animal (Rocket Racoon).
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By contrast, an animal-themed hero would be like Batman. No animal features (he doesn't have batwings or ears), but an animal-based name and color choices and possibly stylized costume features.
However, characters which more directly try to copy the look of their animal theme (say Rhino, the spider-man enemy) will require the same types of costume pieces as an anthropomorphic rhino, because even though its a suit, below the head that's exactly what that character looks like. (And similarly, Vulture has the vulture-ruff neck fringe and, depending on artist, several other aspects that look like what an animal character would have, not just animal-themed).
Animal pieces cover not only full anthropomorphic animals, but characters with particular animal features, and characters with outfits that mimic those animals. (ie, Not highly stylized)
Meeda said "furry" characters, not all animal-themed ones.
And phasestar talked about playing "as animals", not animal-themed characters.
They weren't talking about animal themed characters, you widened the goal posts so you could respond as you did earlier in this thread. I don't need a lecture on superheroes thanks. Been buying comic-books and loving the genre since 1978.
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Seriously, in what way am i not talking about characters who have fur, tails, wings, cat ears, or whatever other animal features you insist on?
I'm not talking about the Batman, Black Panther, Falcon type of heroes. Those are animal-themed.
I'm talking about animal-featured characters. Please demonstrate how any of my examples don't adhere to that distinction. How do Tigra, Beast, Rocket Raccoon, Darkwing Duck, Squirrel Girl, etc... not count?
The example you linked is from a wild west universe , not a superhero universe.
Of course there are other anthro superhero characters in recognised superhero universes but they are a tiny, tiny minority compared to the other superheroes.
Nobody's saying folks shouldn't play anthros (I have a couple myself and am quite fond of them), but I would definitely like to see some more classic superhero tights and accessories love. I feel we have enough supernatural/monster, hi-tech armour and anthro stuff for the moment.
What I wouldn't give for some cool utility belt models or more classic face masks.
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Several of those operate in worlds that are predominantly normal humans, including Underdog and TMNT. Here's the underdog intro, which has normal people pointing to the sky (
But we can just look at something like the Marvel Universe too. Squirrel Girl is a regular marvel universe character. Also Beast, Tigra, Wolfsbane, Feral, Stacy X, Nightcrawler, Magik's darkchylde persona (goat legs, fur, horns, etc...), Sabretooth, Beak, Hrimhari (Asgardian), Howard the Duck, Sasquatch (Alpha Flight), and so forth. (In addition to Rocket Raccoon, Ch'od, and Hepzibah).
And that's not counting major characters who have at least one notable animal feature, like Angel (both of them!), Lilandra (feathers), Pixie, and likely dozens more.
And those are just heroes (at least at one point). The villain list would be massive. (Samplers include Deathbird, The Lizard, Blastaar, the Ani-Men, and Sauron. And that's a relatively small sample).
And that's just characters I can name off the top of my head. It's not that tiny a minority.
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And Marvel at least brought all the old Atlas and Timely wild west comics into the regular Marvel universe under Editor-in-Chief Roy Thomas in the 70s (along with all the golden age superheroes and any other characters they could manage to fit in). That particular one may not be marvel, but the genre line you're trying to draw *doesn't exist*. (And there are literally dozens of ape characters in comics, several in superhero comics... one's a fantastic four villain connected to the soviet space program iirc, i forget the name).
An indisputable tiny, tiny minority. To claim otherwise would just be disingenuous.
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Animalistic-featured heroes outnumber robot/android heroes. They probably outnumber heroes in power armor too (Certainly did prior to 1990). No one complains about power armor or robot pieces.
I don't know what distinction you're trying to draw between anthros/furries and the characters i've named. You aren't defining any of your terms to understand what the scope of your claims are.
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I'm not widening the goal posts. I'm pointing out how silly treating anthro characters as an insignificant subset of characters is.
Further, i disagree that number is even *extremely* small. Obviously it's not a majority. (I'm not even sure tights-wearing heroes are a majority anymore). I'd contend it's in the ballpark of 10% of super characters in superhero comics (likely 5-15%). That's not tiny. And it's certainly larger than any other visually identifiable subset outside of tights-wearing. Which makes it ridiculous to portray them as unworthy of costume parts because there's so few of them.
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The shoulder cape thing -- I like that. I will probably use that. Good choice.
The kitsune head -- I don't like that, but it has utility. I may not not play a hero with it, but I could use it if I ever made a comic, for example. Other people might like this. Good choice.
The tin foil hat -- I don't like it. I don't think many other people will like it. Bad choice. I'm definitely not saying don't add it to the game, more pieces to play with is always good. This is the one I would say is too niche to use as a monthly reward.
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What makes something a 'furry'? I don't know. Does having cat ears make you a furry? It's completely unclear. If you at any point gave criteria for a 'furry' and a way to distinguish them from 'not furries' in edge cases, we could have arrived on a shared idea of what we're talking about. As it is, I have no clue what you mean, and you refuse to be honest about what I mean.
'Animalistic features' (the actual phrase i used) is specific - having one or more features from or approximating an actual animal - has an obvious meaning and is specific as to what exactly is meant. And it also justifies a full range of animal costume pieces (because people will potentially want different features, so if you have entire anthro animal costume sets, people can choose to use goat legs or bunny ears or cat paws or squirrel tails with regular human options for the rest, in addition to doing full animals).
Regardless, you seem content to just declare there aren't a decent number of such characters, while providing no evidence or even method by which one could arrive at your conclusion. Whereas I have attempted to provide both a plethora of examples, as well as comparative evidence relative to other hero types, and even a methodology (a particular comic run), to demonstrate that its a sizeable minority.
You can't just say 'its a tiny tiny minority' in the face of evidence to the contrary. You need some evidence for your claim, and you need to qualify what 'tiny tiny' means - either as a raw percentage or relative to other types of heroes who aren't a tiny tiny minority. Otherwise your claim is meaningless.
Btw, there aren't *thousands* of marvel heroes (ignoring alternate reality versions of the same characters). It's probably ballpark 5-600. The x-books altogether, over their entire publication history, probably clock in around or below 300 heroes (being generous in determining who a hero is), and i would guess they're over half the total. At which point you'd need there to be fewer than 6 anthropomorphic heroes to be only 1%, which is still probably too large for 'tiny tiny', and there's clearly more than 6. Even if we assume 1000 heroes, we'd only need 10 anthropomorphic ones for 1%, and there's significantly more than 10 unarguable examples in this thread.
basically...no one can give a proper definition because one doesn't really exist
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not really...since kitsune is the japanese word for fox, and foxes most certainly ARE animals
but as i pointed out above, so are humans defined as animals by the dictionary definition of the word Animal, so anyone playing is not only playing AS an animal, they themselves ARE one
not really...since kitsune is the japanese word for fox, and foxes most certainly ARE animals
Yes and no... the origin of the word has been lost to the mists of time. But for most of thousand years or so that the word has been around it was used for a being with magical powers. In the myths and legends kitsune were intelligent enough to be sometimes SMARTER than humans. Also.... much like demigods.... they sometimes produced children with humans. Also... I don't think that most people who aren't native Japanese speakers would think "mundane animal" when they hear the word...
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Captain America? Not an animal.
Captain Carrot? Animal.
Being so obtuse that you disregard context doesn't help any discussion. If someone says to you that they had to deal with a griefer, for example, and you ask the name and they say "I don't know, but they were an animal character" then I am pretty sure that you don't look at Defender or Drifter and wonder if that might have been what they looked like.
And no, not every hero is an animal, even using the "humans are animals, too" definition. Some are robots, ancient statues come to life, plants, elementals, or a number of other things that fall outside that broadest of definitions.
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But the monthly rewards are one-off strange bits anyway. They're free, why are we arguing about free costumes? That never leads to anything good, not everything released in the game is gonna be geared to your particular style.
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