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locketon
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There is one aspect of this game that makes it one of the absolute best superhero games of all time and one aspect that makes it absolutely not worth playing after one run through.
1) The great: You can make whatever character you want with whatever powers you want. That is amazing and it feels like no one realizes this outside of the ten or twelve people who still play this game. I talk to gaming nerds all the time and most have no idea about this game. It's upsetting.
This game is THE ONLY GAME that gives you the ability to be a super powered maniac, and it does it soooooooooo well. You can even play it in first person perspective. Just zoom it in and it looks so freaking cool. Fly up to the top of a building and jump in first person, then crash and see the dust and bits of concrete that you just slammed into (like a boss) fly around you.
It's amazing and it feels fairly real. I am the hero that I created, with the powers that I want, and I make the story I want.
2) The Terrible: You have to make the story you want because the bad guys or whatever are terrible. It's an inherent problem with the medium. You have a thousand different supers and one world for them to fight in. No one is going to fit like a glove, unless you were thinking of a large worn out glove that you know tons of people have already worn.
Still, the world feels more like 1960's batman, then 2005 Batman Begins. The world is over the top cartoony. The 'gangsters' I fight look like they may work for the penguin, or maybe the bad guy from 'rocketeer'.
On Netflix Daredevil is saving women from being forced into sex slavery, and I'm protecting firemen from robots who must have gotten lost while they were trying to invade Naboo.
To sum up, I have created a super who can kick magneto's Assimus Maximus, who can take on the avengers, and who can give galactus a run for his money, but all I have to fight is Cesar Romero in a bad green wig.
1) The great: You can make whatever character you want with whatever powers you want. That is amazing and it feels like no one realizes this outside of the ten or twelve people who still play this game. I talk to gaming nerds all the time and most have no idea about this game. It's upsetting.
This game is THE ONLY GAME that gives you the ability to be a super powered maniac, and it does it soooooooooo well. You can even play it in first person perspective. Just zoom it in and it looks so freaking cool. Fly up to the top of a building and jump in first person, then crash and see the dust and bits of concrete that you just slammed into (like a boss) fly around you.
It's amazing and it feels fairly real. I am the hero that I created, with the powers that I want, and I make the story I want.
2) The Terrible: You have to make the story you want because the bad guys or whatever are terrible. It's an inherent problem with the medium. You have a thousand different supers and one world for them to fight in. No one is going to fit like a glove, unless you were thinking of a large worn out glove that you know tons of people have already worn.
Still, the world feels more like 1960's batman, then 2005 Batman Begins. The world is over the top cartoony. The 'gangsters' I fight look like they may work for the penguin, or maybe the bad guy from 'rocketeer'.
On Netflix Daredevil is saving women from being forced into sex slavery, and I'm protecting firemen from robots who must have gotten lost while they were trying to invade Naboo.
To sum up, I have created a super who can kick magneto's Assimus Maximus, who can take on the avengers, and who can give galactus a run for his money, but all I have to fight is Cesar Romero in a bad green wig.
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Remember: Half the people you know are below average...
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Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
you want something more gritty? go play NemCon or fight Therakiel. Those guys will make you feel like there are actual stakes beyond bad guys taking pot shots at you.
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Today it's nothing but gritty this, and realism that in the superhero genre. Just take a look at Batman v. Superman as a prime example. Where is the heroism? Where is the fun? And most importantly...where is the joy?? These guys are supposed to be superHEROES...why did I leave the theater feeling mean and depressed?
There are plenty of dark, in your face reality crime games out there...let's please not make CO into one of them.
In fact I hope she outgrows you very soon. I will pray for her tonight, that soon she will escape your parenting and read or watch something that actually matters, and not some silly campy crap you think is appropriate for her age.
Remember: Half the people you know are below average...
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I won't close the thread because you're entitled to your opinion, but seriously, don't go there again.
On a side note, I'm glad your daughter likes CO Ajanus, and I'm glad you feel safe letting her play it. It's nice having games that let players decided the kind of hero they want to be. Should the mods feel the need to delete comments or lock the thread I will understand.
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The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Where's the fun? Here's a quote from Zack Snyder: That's exactly what I'm talking about. Fun=death in Zach's vision of 'heroes'.
Let's take a look at three other big screen superheroes by comparison:
Christopher Reeve's Superman (1978) - the ultimate goodguy. Though a bit dated, who doesn't feel good after watching this movie?
Chris Evan's Captain America. Marvel Studios nailed it here. Another TRUE hero. Even though set in a more realistic world, Cap is awesome! (that fight scene inside the elevator in 'Winter Soldier' with the Hydra agents....GO CAP GO!)
And believe it or not, Ryan Reynold's Deadpool. Pretty sad when a foul mouthed, R-rated antihero feels more heroic...and is more fun...than three big name DC movie heroes put together. You actually feel good about this guy.
I think CO does a fantastic job of letting me play heroes like the above. If I want sex slaves and murder...well all I need to do is break out a copy of GTA.
Chill. Hopefully you disregarded pretty much everything that creature said. Personally, I think it's awesome that your kid plays this game casually for fun. Just...don't let her go anywhere near Caprice. Pretty sure you don't want to explain why so many of the amazon women there are part equine. #IfYouKnowWhatIMean
There are plenty of things that actually matter which are appropriate for children. But let children be children ffs - don't expect them to be cognitively functional and emotionally stable adults. They aren't.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Well done.
But to be fair, this stopped being relevant when everyone thought I meant a game had to have sex slaves to be fun.
This game has serious issues. This game will not last too much longer unless they fix it. I love this game. I have played it thoroughly. I have used one character and played with all the super powers, through all of the adventure packs, fighting every boss. I have fought graviton, and therakiel, and my favorite, in the lemurian crisis, my favorite boss, the bronze king. WHo I was so proud to beat by myself.
But what I'm talking about isn't anything new. Everything I'm saying was mentioned in the initial reviews for the game. I thought, if everyone online could acknowledge it, and we could have support. Maybe we could show enough people still liked the game that changing it sufficiently would be financially viable.
But you guys want to get bogged down in little things I mentioned, and talk about how you're happy your kids can play this game. I'll be honest. When I saw the comments, I realized how useless it was to try.
It's interesting. I have backed a few steam early access games, and most were terrible. But every time you went on the forums to talk about it, you'd get people blasting you for saying anything negative, no matter how right it was. Even War Z, the terrible zombie apocalypse game, people were defending it on the forums.
People who defend terrible features of games are responsible for destroying that game. When this game fails, I hope you guys realize by not talking about it, you were responsible.
The problem is, you are now directly contradicting what you said earlier:
So in the OP you pretend like there are no epic villains, just "cesar romero in a bad green wig", but then you later acknowledge you HAVE fought the epic villains in the game. Just last night I played through the "Resistance" storyline again, and that is pretty hard core for a superhero MMO, and you can't ask for a more epic ending than the battle between the 2 Destroyers.
So I'm not sure if you are lying to yourself or trying to lie to other people to make them buy your argument. Either way, when you blatantly contradict yourself you can't expect people to buy what you are selling.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Look, I fought therakiel, and did not like it that much. Everyone points to the resistance storyline, because it is by far the best one. Although, I HATE that you fight as a giant destroyer in the end. I want my super bad **** guy to fight him. I pick fights with them on purpose to kick their behinds.
Most of the Lemuria area is super silly. Some parts are ok, and only the Bronze king is super cool. And out of every part of this game, where do you think I hang the most? Obviously the bronze king.
But, you are just picking at my argument to gloss over the real issue. I am not the only person who knows what I am saying is true. I am not the best authority on the subject who has said it. Look at every single article written about this game and they all say the same things.
But no, ya, you're right. I said I like a few things in the game, so obviously I'm just full of it.
PS: you don't have to fight in the giant destroyer if you don't want to. You can hop out.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
First off, it's your opinion that the game isn't dark or serious enough. Not everyone enjoys that kind of stuff. But that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion.
The game won't last much longer unless they fix that? Well, that's fine that you think that, but you can join the long line of people who have been saying this exact same thing since the game launched six years ago, yet here we still are.
I personally enjoy "fun" comics stuff. I think the 90s comics were a disaster. I loved the stuff they put out in the 50s. I think all the DC movies out recently are crap because they're just Batman stories with Batman dressed up like other heroes. They should stick with stuff like Flash, I think. That show is the best thing they've done in TV or movies. I love Daredevil too, but I think Flash is better because it's more "fun".
Not saying that kids shouldn't be able to play the game, but if that rating is involved and the kid is allowed to play the game, pretty sure that the parent has to accept having to deal with potential kid questions regarding those issues.
Take what's offered. If it's not to your taste, play something else.
Daredevil is a specific show made for adult audience. This game is not. It's T-rated.
Also, it simply wasn't made for playing a maniac. Hence no villain or rogue factions.
Snyder is a bad person to look up to. He'd probably consider City of Heroes not serious enough. When the guy makes Michael Bay movies looking optimistic and upbeat in comparison, you know his Frank Miller fetish went too far.
Here's me hoping that other people directing DC cinematic universe can and will deviate from the tone set by Snyder. Otherwise I'm not going anywhere close to these movies.
someone else wanted open world pvp
both started with " this game would be great if"
it focussed on what they liked.
as soon as someone disagrees , they jump on the person.
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Don't be like the Qularr. They would not last one round in the Interstellar Galactic Arena...
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First, purchase the gamebook for Champions, as well as any supplementary books you'd like (available from the HERO Games website in either .pdf or dead-tree editions, and likely a lot of other places online as well). There are a lot of sourcebooks, but you really only need the main one and a good imagination. Now, gather together a group of friends, assuming you have any. Have one person as GM; the rest create characters (complete rules for doing so, as well as guidelines, are available in the books). The GM can now create a game world tuned to whatever genre you like - I'm partial to Silver-Age adventures, but if you want to use your superpowers to run underworld cage fights, that's up to you. (Did have a player once that couldn't adjust to my genre - it was a light-hearted time-travel adventure in which the heroes would ensure the Magna Carta was signed by King John in 1215, but he almost took it right off the rails in the beginning by insisting that one of the warehouses somewhere on the way to the time machine must have a drug lab he could steal intoxicants from...)
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Also, you can have fun without camp. The Flash tv show was mentioned in this thread. That's a perfect mix of serious and fun, but it doesn't really have any camp.
I wouldn't have much of a problem with how CO is in that regard, if it wasn't in almost every mission. They seem to like to make fun of themselves a bit too much for my liking.
"The most powerful human psychic in the world." ...no, that's too serious. Let's change him up and make him a Steve Urkel clone.
Having fun, and making some jokes is one thing...but full blown parody/camp in the game gets a bit annoying. To quote from Tropical Island..."You never go full retard."
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Fortunately it did change later since adventure packs, comic issues, and newer events like Mechanon's. Later events and addons are more evenly mixed.
Ironically, the person who did such a cheap hackjob by basically stuffing in every lazy popculture fart joke they could find was an actual comic book writer and even worked for Marvel.
It's just that they took money and went with a path of the least resistance. Or they simply did not care.
Fortunately they're no longer anywhere close to CO and later writing for the game did improve.
I will have to disagree about Flash TV show having no camp. It has plenty of it. It just tends to be overshadowed by the rest. considering the solution for every problem Flash came across was to "just go faster" instead of thinking up a real solution was already camp.
But yes, Flash is a mix of serious and fun that's what makes it good. Better than Gotham by a lot. Can't say the same for Arrow, however, they keep repeating the same plot line every season and it's gotten too predictable.
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Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
John Layman.
Has in his portfolio writing for the Big Two, Image, IDW, Dark Horse.
His work here stands for itself, though. **holds nose**
How many MMO's are not set in a high fantasy setting or ultra-dark futuristic setting?
The only other I can think of is Secret World, and that is just... Meh... and the only other that could rival Champs would be City of Heroes, but that went the way of the dodo.
With Champs, you can spend hours just wandering around Millennium City, either beating up bad guys, finding interesting buildings you can just go into and find out are social spots, the occasional reference here and there. And every player has a unique and interesting look. It's like exploring a major city in vanilla WoW before Blizzard decided to **** things up and break all the easter eggs they had, ruin the art of their world, and then assign players their farmville bunkers.
This game is just fantastic, but they really need to get the word out, do more updates/events, and ease up on lockboxes because there are too many.
The game's level cap stopped at 40. Very few powers have been introduced since the game started. Although, I will admit the powers, like wind, have been very fun to play with.
I am genuinely asking, does everyone here think the game is, structurally fine? My argument was that the whole set up, not just the writing, but the whole set up of how the player interacted with the environment and the game enemies was not as good as it could be.
I was arguing for a whole revamp of the environment. In my opinion, adding the adventure packs, and the instant boss fights was a band aid on a larger problem.
But what I'm getting from the community is that every feels this is good. That the game is good the way it is.
Yet again, I'm not asking if all of you think adding more sex and grit will make it better. I am not asking that. What I'm asking is more open ended, Is the game fine, or do you believe it needs to be fixed?