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Ice/Might build help

whitewolfneowhitewolfneo Posts: 18 Arc User
in Power Discussion
hi all, not sure is anyone still uses theses froums but im looking for some feedback/help on a ice might dps build ive been trying to make, the main promblems im haveing is engry,inate passive and parmry passive i can't really pick what i want for the bast choose, AoPM or strom bringer icy embrace or MSA? here is a SB/IE version im not sure if i should SS end instead of Int if i pick AoPM i don't think i'd need to SS end then.

PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Name:

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Dexterity (Primary)
Level 10: Strength (Secondary)
Level 15: Intelligence (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Fist
Level 6: Mighty
Level 9: Agile
Level 12: Brilliant
Level 15: Martial Focus
Level 18: Body and Mind
Level 21: Coordinated

Powers:
Level 1: Sonic Blaster
Level 1: Ice Blast (Hard Frost)
Level 6: Icy Embrace
Level 8: Roomsweeper (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Stormbringer (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 14: Enrage (Giant Growth)
Level 17: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Retaliation
Level 23: Avalanche (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 26: Bionic Shielding (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 29: Masterful Dodge
Level 32: Fire Snake (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Haymaker (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 38: Unleashed Rage (Rank 2, Rank 3)

Travel Powers:
Level 6: Electric Arc (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Swinging

Specializations:
Dexterity: Combat Training (3/3)
Dexterity: Power Swell (2/2)
Dexterity: Deadly Aim (3/3)
Dexterity: Expose Weakness (2/2)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Modified Gear (2/2)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (3/3)
Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Tenacious (2/2)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Mastery: Dexterity Mastery (1/1)

also do i need any better heals? thanks for any help you can offer :)

Comments

  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User
    Icy Embrace and MSA are not passives- they are energy unlocks that can be taken independently of ur passive.

    Two diff builds I cooked up for Might + Ice. One is Str-based, Haymaker focused for single-target, and uses the FBreath + Roomsweeper combo (Chill will cause targets t be knocked up instead of back):

    PowerHouse (Link to this build)

    Archetype: Freeform

    Super Stats:
    Level 6: Strength (Primary)
    Level 10: Intelligence (Secondary)
    Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

    Talents:
    Level 1: The Glacier
    Level 6: Covert Ops Training
    Level 9: Physical Conditioning
    Level 12: Healthy Mind
    Level 15: Body and Mind
    Level 18: Quick Recovery
    Level 21: Relentless

    Powers:
    Level 1: Ice Shards
    Level 1: Frost Breath (Rank 2, Frost Bite)
    Level 6: Wall of Ice (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 8: Unstoppable (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 11: Molecular Self-Assembly
    Level 14: Enrage (Endorphin Rush)
    Level 17: Roomsweeper (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 20: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 23: Haymaker (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 26: Masterful Dodge
    Level 29: Pounce
    Level 32: Resurgence (Rank 2)
    Level 35: Ice Shield (Rank 2)
    Level 38: Aggressor (Rank 2, Rank 3)

    Travel Powers:
    Level 6:
    Level 35:

    Specializations:
    Strength: Swole (2/3)
    Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
    Strength: Brutality (2/2)
    Strength: Juggernaut (3/3)
    Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
    Warden: Elusive (2/2)
    Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
    Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
    Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
    Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
    Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
    Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

    -

    The other general build is an Int & Dex- based combo blaster, using Beatdown and charged Ice Blast when Avenger Mastery procs (and Ice Wall to proc MSA). Its more of a lvl 40 build since ya have to wait till ya get Avenger Mastery before ya can fully take adv of it:

    PowerHouse (Link to this build)

    Archetype: Freeform

    Super Stats:
    Level 6: Dexterity (Primary)
    Level 10: Intelligence (Secondary)
    Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

    Talents:
    Level 1: The Glacier
    Level 6: Covert Ops Training
    Level 9: Healthy Mind
    Level 12: Acrobat
    Level 15: Coordinated
    Level 18: Quick Recovery
    Level 21: Negotiator

    Powers:
    Level 1: Ice Shards
    Level 1: Beatdown (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 6: Ice Blast (Rank 2, Hard Frost)
    Level 8: Quarry (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 11: Concentration
    Level 14: Molecular Self-Assembly
    Level 17: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 20: Wall of Ice (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 23: Avalanche (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 26: Masterful Dodge
    Level 29: Retaliation (Rank 2)
    Level 32: Resurgence (Rank 2)
    Level 35: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
    Level 38: Ice Sheath (Rank 2)

    Travel Powers:
    Level 6:
    Level 35:

    Specializations:
    Dexterity: Combat Training (3/3)
    Dexterity: Gear Utilization (2/3)
    Dexterity: Deadly Aim (3/3)
    Dexterity: Expose Weakness (2/2)
    Warden: Fortified Gear (2/3)
    Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
    Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
    Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
    Avenger: Ruthless (2/2)
    Avenger: Round 'em Up (3/3)
    Avenger: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
    Avenger: Preemptive Strike (3/3)
    Mastery: Avenger Mastery (1/1)
    <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
  • whitewolfneowhitewolfneo Posts: 18 Arc User
    ah right energy unlocks is what i meant too say, sorry haven't played this game in a really long time:) i like the 1st build you posted a lot althouht im not sure how its going to crit too make use of all the Cirt severaty it's going to have. im gonna try it thouth im alsot lvl 26 now
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User
    I'd still get crit rating on offensive gear when ya can. Can also take a piece of 2ndary gear w/ Dex on it- those should give you a semi-decent crit rate overall. Vindicator also boost ur attack crit rates a bit, and if ya want ya can replace Aggressor w/ Ego Surge w/ NM for more burst crit that way.
    <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
  • whitewolfneowhitewolfneo Posts: 18 Arc User
    ah i see, cool the only other thing im worried about is if i have enough AOE to kill stuff with haymakers is gtart single target but is FB room and wall enought?
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User
    Yeah they should be fine. FBreath taps (for chill) + Roomsweeper for up-close clumped mobs. Otherwise, if the mob is scattered and at ranged ya can just do full maintains of FB w/ its wider cone, and using Pounce to keep Enraged and MSA rolling while ya do that (since FB by itself won't proc those). FB allows full movement while channeling, so ya can funnel mobs into it if need be.
    <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
  • whitewolfneowhitewolfneo Posts: 18 Arc User
    well after testing it last night, i found that althought i like the build on paper i am horable at playing it XD, i guess it just doesn't fit my play styal :( so i used the build that ive been playing so fave and made 1 miner chage and its been grate!

    i can now mainten avalance with easy! and all i had too do was swich MSA for icy embrace.

    heres how the build looks now, let me know what you think:

    PowerHouse (Link to this build)

    Name:

    Archetype: Freeform

    Super Stats:
    Level 6: Dexterity (Primary)
    Level 10: Strength (Secondary)
    Level 15: Intelligence (Secondary)

    Talents:
    Level 1: The Fist
    Level 6: Mighty
    Level 9: Agile
    Level 12: Brilliant
    Level 15: Martial Focus
    Level 18: Body and Mind
    Level 21: Coordinated

    Powers:
    Level 1: Boomerang Toss
    Level 1: Ice Blast (Hard Frost)
    Level 6: Icy Embrace
    Level 8: Roomsweeper (Rank 2)
    Level 11: Aura of Primal Majesty (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 14: Enrage (Endorphin Rush, Giant Growth)
    Level 17: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 20: Avalanche (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 23: Bionic Shielding (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 26: Masterful Dodge
    Level 29: Retaliation
    Level 32: Fire Snake (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 35: Haymaker (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 38: Unleashed Rage (Rank 2, Rank 3)

    Travel Powers:
    Level 6: Electric Arc (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 35: Swinging

    Specializations:
    Dexterity: Combat Training (2/3)
    Dexterity: Gear Utilization (3/3)
    Dexterity: Deadly Aim (3/3)
    Dexterity: Expose Weakness (2/2)
    Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
    Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
    Vindicator: Modified Gear (2/2)
    Vindicator: Mass Destruction (3/3)
    Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
    Warden: Tenacious (2/2)
    Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
    Mastery: Dexterity Mastery (1/1)
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    Looks okay, given AoPM can shore up any discrepancies in ranged/melee mix builds well. I didn't know that you wanted to use Avalanche often, but AoPM will def help you afford it.

    Also, w/o MSA there's not much need for Int as a 2ndary SS here. I'd consider using Int PSS w/ AoPM builds, though- prob something like INT/Str/Con here, though still gearing mostly for Strength. Icy Embrace mostly scales w/ End, though AoPM will boost that fine enough on its own.
    <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
  • squirrelloidsquirrelloid Posts: 869 Arc User
    flowcyto said:

    Looks okay, given AoPM can shore up any discrepancies in ranged/melee mix builds well. I didn't know that you wanted to use Avalanche often, but AoPM will def help you afford it.

    Also, w/o MSA there's not much need for Int as a 2ndary SS here. I'd consider using Int PSS w/ AoPM builds, though- prob something like INT/Str/Con here, though still gearing mostly for Strength. Icy Embrace mostly scales w/ End, though AoPM will boost that fine enough on its own.


    Lies. Icy Embrace mostly scales on Rec =). (I don't know that's mathematically true, but Rec scales enough that there's no reason to take end, and Rec is imo superior 99% of the time, especially tanks, because it allows for dropping alphastrikes with CS like Avalanche without needing to build up energy).
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User
    squirrelloid said:

    flowcyto said:

    Looks okay, given AoPM can shore up any discrepancies in ranged/melee mix builds well. I didn't know that you wanted to use Avalanche often, but AoPM will def help you afford it.

    Also, w/o MSA there's not much need for Int as a 2ndary SS here. I'd consider using Int PSS w/ AoPM builds, though- prob something like INT/Str/Con here, though still gearing mostly for Strength. Icy Embrace mostly scales w/ End, though AoPM will boost that fine enough on its own.


    Lies. Icy Embrace mostly scales on Rec =). (I don't know that's mathematically true, but Rec scales enough that there's no reason to take end, and Rec is imo superior 99% of the time, especially tanks, because it allows for dropping alphastrikes with CS like Avalanche without needing to build up energy).
    Lol, nah It mostly scales w/ End still, but like most EUs also w/ Rec to a much lesser degree. I usually don't gear much Rec outside of getting a bit better resting equilibrium, unless its the odd build using Rec PSS, Compassion w/o Pres, and/or Overdrive (SP EU can scale well w/ either Rec or End, or a mix of both).

    Rec is okay overall if ya need another energy stat, though getting too much is a bit wasteful, imo, as it can lead to energy-capping more. If ur using a high energy generation power, like Defiance, End is typically better as it can lessen the amount ya energy-cap, leaving you more energy to work with.
    <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
  • squirrelloidsquirrelloid Posts: 869 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    flowcyto said:



    Lol, nah It mostly scales w/ End still, but like most EUs also w/ Rec to a much lesser degree. I usually don't gear much Rec outside of getting a bit better resting equilibrium, unless its the odd build using Rec PSS, Compassion w/o Pres, and/or Overdrive (SP EU can scale well w/ either Rec or End, or a mix of both).

    Rec is okay overall if ya need another energy stat, though getting too much is a bit wasteful, imo, as it can lead to energy-capping more. If ur using a high energy generation power, like Defiance, End is typically better as it can lessen the amount ya energy-cap, leaving you more energy to work with.

    I usually only gear enough Rec to fill or near fill my energy bar, because anything beyond that is wasted. But it means that its a SSS with only one of 9 mods dedicated to it typically. And that means i can split the other 8 mods between the other two.

    I haven't been able to justify Rec PSS ever. The one great spec, which reduces cd, doesn't seem like enough oomph to justify burning the PSS on Rec. Especially when a lot of the times I'd have any interest in that benefit aren't toons that want/need Rec at all.

    End, otoh, i've only ever used as a PSS for my PA tank, because the primary spec tree makes PA Toggles work really well.

    Also, I'm pretty sure Defiance's energy gain specifically scales on Rec.
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User
    Defiance's energy gain is based off of Con (just like its dmgRes buff)- weird, cause it should be SS's that do that for a passive slot, but Defiance is unlike the other passives.
    <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
  • whitewolfneowhitewolfneo Posts: 18 Arc User
    just too let you know im running Pss str with dex and Con SS's im no dps expart but i think Avavalance + R.Sweeper+ haymaker is more dps then WoIce+F.bearth+ R.S+ haymaker. but too be far FB with Adv and Icy Embarce give me all the energy i need. im kinda torn caz Avlace seems better but i think Wall of ice can give out the same dps but in a much smaller spare, i only have it at R1 and its doing about the same damage as Avalance did at R3 at lvl 27. so yeah idk
  • whitewolfneowhitewolfneo Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    i guess avalance has spoiled me all theses years and its just easy/lazry mode...
  • whitewolfneowhitewolfneo Posts: 18 Arc User
    hi all i've been looking at some of the builds you have in your sigFlow and i like the Bullite beat down and Haymaker ( i think it needs better aoe or im just playing it worng) and the Dragon's claw build they have all been fun.

    ive been also toying with an Ice/Earth build i'd like some input on:

    PowerHouse (Link to this build)

    Name:

    Archetype: Freeform

    Super Stats:
    Level 6: Dexterity (Primary)
    Level 10: Strength (Secondary)
    Level 15: Intelligence (Secondary)

    Talents:
    Level 1: The Fist
    Level 6: Martial Focus
    Level 9: Body and Mind
    Level 12: Coordinated
    Level 15: Covert Ops Training
    Level 18: Physical Conditioning
    Level 21: Acrobat

    Powers:
    Level 1: Wield Earth
    Level 1: Beatdown (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 6: Retaliation (Rank 2)
    Level 8: Pounce
    Level 11: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 14: Aura of Primal Majesty (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 17: Enrage (Endorphin Rush, Giant Growth)
    Level 20: Fault Line (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 23: Wall of Ice (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 26: Avalanche (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 29: Molecular Self-Assembly
    Level 32: Masterful Dodge
    Level 35: Resurgence (Rank 2)
    Level 38: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)

    Travel Powers:
    Level 6: Electric Arc (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 35: Acrobatics

    Specializations:
    Dexterity: Combat Training (2/3)
    Dexterity: Gear Utilization (3/3)
    Dexterity: Deadly Aim (3/3)
    Dexterity: Expose Weakness (2/2)
    Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
    Warden: Elusive (2/2)
    Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
    Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
    Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
    Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
    Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
    Mastery: Dexterity Mastery (1/1)

  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User
    Lotsa ways to build Ice + Earth. Ranged is prob stronger for it, but ya can play it close-range or melee too.

    Here's a ranged one:

    PowerHouse (Link to this build)

    Archetype: Freeform

    Super Stats:
    Level 6: Intelligence (Primary)
    Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
    Level 15: Dexterity (Secondary)

    Talents:
    Level 1: The Glacier
    Level 6: Covert Ops Training
    Level 9: Healthy Mind
    Level 12: Acrobat
    Level 15: Coordinated
    Level 18: Boundless Reserves
    Level 21: Investigator

    Powers:
    Level 1: Wield Earth
    Level 1: Ice Blast (Rank 2, Hard Frost)
    Level 6: Tremor (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 8: Aura of Primal Majesty (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 11: Concentration
    Level 14: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 17: Molecular Self-Assembly
    Level 20: Wall of Ice (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 23: Cave In (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 26: Masterful Dodge
    Level 29: Resurgence (Rank 2)
    Level 32: Ego Surge (Nimble Mind)
    Level 35:
    Level 38:

    Travel Powers:
    Level 6:
    Level 35:

    Specializations:
    Intelligence: Enlightened (3/3)
    Intelligence: Tactician (2/2)
    Intelligence: Detect Vulnerability (3/3)
    Intelligence: Expertise (2/2)
    Avenger: Ruthless (2/2)
    Avenger: Round 'em Up (3/3)
    Avenger: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
    Avenger: Preemptive Strike (3/3)
    Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
    Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
    Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
    Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
    Mastery: Avenger Mastery (1/1)

    Many variants, though (this one uses Avenger to take a break from Guardicator; Blast -> Cave In Ice Wall for MSA). Will depend one what attacks ya like or want to utilize between the powersets.
    <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
  • whitewolfneowhitewolfneo Posts: 18 Arc User
    something i've been testing that i would like some feedback on. its a more might and a less ice and uses enrage and unstoppble for energy.

    PowerHouse (Link to this build)

    Name:

    Archetype: Freeform

    Super Stats:
    Level 6: Strength (Primary)
    Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
    Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

    Talents:
    Level 1: The Savage
    Level 6: Covert Ops Training
    Level 9: Physical Conditioning
    Level 12: Martial Focus
    Level 15: Acrobat
    Level 18: Quick Recovery
    Level 21: Relentless

    Powers:
    Level 1: Wield Earth
    Level 1: Unstoppable (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 6: Roomsweeper (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 8: Enrage (Endorphin Rush)
    Level 11: Retaliation
    Level 14: Wall of Ice (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 17: Demolish (Rank 2, Below the Belt)
    Level 20: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 23: Haymaker (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 26: Masterful Dodge
    Level 29: Pounce
    Level 32: Palliate (Absolve)
    Level 35:
    Level 38: Aggressor (Rank 2)

    Travel Powers:
    Level 6:
    Level 35:

    Specializations:
    Strength: Swole (2/3)
    Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
    Strength: Brutality (2/2)
    Strength: Juggernaut (3/3)
    Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
    Warden: Elusive (2/2)
    Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
    Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
    Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
    Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
    Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
    Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

    power 13 is for brust shot with both ADVs i've been playing this on test and i like the feel of it so far

  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User
    Looks alright, though I'd prob replace Wall of Ice w/ Frostbreath w/ its adv- the AoE Chill is a nice combo w/ Roomsweeper, and gives you an AoE w/ better reach to work with. How is ur energy when using Haymaker?
    <CO stuff> .: Petco :. // A basic FF building guide (see 1st reply) // PSA on Power Activation Delay // Ayonachan's Gift Horse (misc stat data)
    - Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
  • whitewolfneowhitewolfneo Posts: 18 Arc User
    with the gear i got haymaker cost 49 enegry, i got 41 engery from enrage and 15 enary from unstoppable, also the engrage duration narf kinda sucks....
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