The Combo Blaster (a short guide)

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• jasinblaze Posts: 1,360 Arc User

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  looks good
  one complaint
  Quit calling them spells this isn't Wow

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  jasinblaze wrote: »

  one complaint
  Quit calling them spells this isn't Wow

  
  haha, alright. That's just to break the tedium of calling everything a power or attack
  
  and blah, I confused Merciless w/ Slaughter in-name; fixing that :x
  
  also added a special note for the TK blade combo

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• helbjorn Posts: 678 Arc User

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  My biggest complaint in making a hybrid build that relies on being in melee range to support the ranged portion is that in group content staying in melee range reliably enough to pull off your combos is difficult.
  
  In most alerts/lairs, etc. mobs are usually running here and there between players or getting knocked away, or just simply die so quickly that your DPS potential is never realized.
  
  But I suppose that could be said about any build that's not exclusively ranged.

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  helbjorn wrote: »

  My biggest complaint in making a hybrid build that relies on being in melee range to support the ranged portion is that in group content staying in melee range reliably enough to pull off your combos is difficult.
  
  In most alerts/lairs, etc. mobs are usually running here and there between players or getting knocked away, or just simply die so quickly that your DPS potential is never realized.
  
  But I suppose that could be said about any build that's not exclusively ranged.

  Yup, it can be applied to any melee build at large, and yup its another reason why the melee/range mix can never really be optimal. Adding in a lunge is a universal MSA trigger that can help vs. that, though.
  
  I find w/ trash mobs that ur usually AoE-ing optimally anyways (threat or survival issues notwithstanding), and that's where having a powerful ranged AoE can be handy cause the reach tends to be better, as this sort of build could have. The combo-blast is mostly for single-target purposes. I'm not expecting most players to interrupt their AoE w/ an ST blast in most AoE cases- sans to pick off a straggler or w/e (though the option is there).

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• dontask Posts: 95 Arc User

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  Brilliant post!

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• jonesing4 Posts: 800 Arc User

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  Flow, you magnificent bastard, you've done it again. Loving the possibilities here.
  
  For a few weeks now, I've been trying to nail down a build that I like for a wind/MA costume I'd made. It seems something like this might work:
  
  PowerHouse (Link to this build)
  
  Name: Maelstrom
  
  Super Stats:
  Level 6: Dexterity (Primary)
  Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
  Level 15: Intelligence (Secondary)
  
  Powers:
  Level 1: Wind Lash
  Level 1: Gust (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 6: Thundering Kicks (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 8: Quarry (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 11: Concentration
  Level 14: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 17: Molecular Self-Assembly
  Level 20: Whirlwind (Rank 2, Vortex)
  Level 23: Typhoon (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 26: Ego Surge (Nimble Mind)
  Level 29: Masterful Dodge
  Level 32: Backhand Chop (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 35: Thunderbolt Lunge
  Level 38: Evasive Maneuvers (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  
  Specializations:
  Dexterity: Gear Utilization (3/3)
  Dexterity: Power Swell (2/2)
  Dexterity: Deadly Aim (3/3)
  Dexterity: Expose Weakness (2/2)
  Warden: Fortified Gear (2/3)
  Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
  Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
  Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
  Avenger: Ruthless (2/2)
  Avenger: Round 'em Up (3/3)
  Avenger: Relentless Assault (2/3)
  Avenger: Preemptive Strike (3/3)
  Mastery: Avenger Mastery (1/1)
  
  A question I had, which I can probably just ask here, is what you know about Interrupts. Who do they work against, how often can they work, do they always work, etc.? Backhand Chop is decent DPS as a quick-hitting power to work into the rotation, has a great short CD to fuel MSA, and has some extra utility in that Interrupt. But I wanted to know exactly how effective that might be.
  
  At any rate, great guide, keep up the good work.

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  jonesing4 wrote: »

  A question I had, which I can probably just ask here, is what you know about Interrupts. Who do they work against, how often can they work, do they always work, etc.? Backhand Chop is decent DPS as a quick-hitting power to work into the rotation, has a great short CD to fuel MSA, and has some extra utility in that Interrupt. But I wanted to know exactly how effective that might be.
  
  At any rate, great guide, keep up the good work.

  
  Thanks, and as far as interrupts- they work for everything not at boss-level (as with most CC effects). And that's prob a good thing cause when spammed, interrupts can be crippling to mob AI, I find. If they'd be enabled vs. bosses, many bosses would be rendered quite impotent.
  
  When I leveled using Power Gauntlet as my main attack I found that not only can the interrupt function to stop any charge attack (as you'd expect) but that it also could stop any special attack that wasn't simply the mob's basic auto-attack. It ended up being a good mitigation tool cause when forced to stop specials and re-engage in auto-attacking (also causing delays in attack patterns), a mob's dps greatly decreases.
  
  Ofc, that was w/ a spam-able ranged interrupt (though its not guaranteed each use), whereas Backhand is guaranteed but not spam-able, so ymmv using it. Fortunately, Backhand is also a (under-utilized) high-dps cd for MSA, and w/ this build ya can get the Stinging Bee adv for a stack of Focus that will work w/ all ur Conc stacks (and Dex SS). R3 is good too, ofc, but ya may want to consider the special adv for it as well.
  
  My only concern w/ Wind is that Typhoon is a bit costly, but ya can always charge it to varying degrees depending on energy reserves (or just tap it and get back to combo-ing for AM, using the MSA trigger cd). I wouldn't know what would be better in practice for it, but ya can always try diff stuff in the PH and see how the energy situation is. Else, ur build looks pretty good, provided ya can work w/ Conviction (and health packs) being ur only heal power.

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• selphea Posts: 1,229 Arc User

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  Nice idea!
  
  My main question is, if you're going to crit a lot, and if you're doing at least one Combo per Blast, and Combos typically have higher base DPS than Blasts and are buffed further with Slaughter, shouldn't you be running in melee mode with a melee Form like FotT? And then use a melee Preemptive Strike consumer.
  
  Probably the biggest weakness is not the concept itself, but an ironic lack of synergy between many Blasts and their unlock - aside from Shadow Blast with PsychoBreak, no other Blast can reliably be used as a standalone Energy Unlock trigger, otherwise we'd have a nice alternative to the typical MSA attack for melee characters, that also gives a serviceable ranged option. And to make things worse, PsychoBreak doesn't proc Vulnerability

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  :fades in:
  
  Heya Selphea- thanks for helping to give advice to others while I'm preoccupied, and thanks for ur feedback 8)
  

  selphea wrote: »

  My main question is, if you're going to crit a lot, and if you're doing at least one Combo per Blast, and Combos typically have higher base DPS than Blasts and are buffed further with Slaughter, shouldn't you be running in melee mode with a melee Form like FotT? And then use a melee Preemptive Strike consumer.

  Well, one main reason is because Preemptive Strikes (last I checked at least) doesn't work with melee spells. If it did, one could definitely propose a combo -> blast -> melee cd attack string w/ FotT and the melee dps role as an alternative to this (though it loses power in any ranged spell ya may take for AoE purposes).
  
  Now, ya dun necc need Preemptive Strikes and the non-blast Ranged attack- I was just taking adv of game-play altering options in Avenger beyond just the mastery to make the overall build more interesting (and hopefully entertaining).
  
  A more basic alternative which could also work is just using combo -> AM blast and putting those spec points into Surprise Attack instead (since most blasts and combos are ST). Since there is a some variance w/in the blasts and combos themselves, I am unsure in this simplified version which would be better: Melee w/ Dex/FotT or Ranged w/ Con/Int. I assume the former, but ofc I can't really test that atm. If ur still using a EU (read: prob MSA) trigger, then it may also depend on what attack type that trigger is.
  

  Probably the biggest weakness is not the concept itself, but an ironic lack of synergy between many Blasts and their unlock - aside from Shadow Blast with PsychoBreak, no other Blast can reliably be used as a standalone Energy Unlock trigger, otherwise we'd have a nice alternative to the typical MSA attack for melee characters, that also gives a serviceable ranged option.

  Yeah I agree, but at least basic charged blasts and combos are rel cheap vs. most other attacks. A few blasts do have some EU interactions, but not most, and not all reliably:
  Chain Lightning (<-ew, Ionic Reverb)
  Gust (Wind Reverb)
  Straight Shot (Hunter's Instinct)
  Ego Blast (TP Reverb)
  Shadow Blast (Spirit Reverb)
  
  ..and I think that's it w/o checking in-game. Firestrike could be in there.. if the damn thing had a charge. Mm, not a great list.
  
  Ego Blast/MO w/ TP Reverb, Pres' Moment of Glory, and the high crit rate of TK blade combo sounds interesting. Add Vuln + Mental Storm and that could be a nice one. Hm.. sounds like I'd have some extra build experimenting to do whenever I get back :x
  
  :fades out into the night to bring justice to shady criminals (or to sleep, whichev):

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• selphea Posts: 1,229 Arc User

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  Out of that list, Chain Lightning is just terribad, Gust won't work as a melee, Straight Shot isn't a guaranteed crit for HI.
  
  Ego Blast has potential but then you kind of get funnelled down to Mind Opener and Mental Storm, which goes back to tap spam :x

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  Yea, CL needs a major buff :v
  

  Gust won't work as a melee,

  true, but the combo-blast is mostly for ST, and vs. bosses the repel won't really matter. I find melee mobs still tend to stay in melee range w/ repels just cause of their pathing tendencies.
  

  Ego Blast has potential but then you kind of get funnelled down to Mind Opener and Mental Storm, which goes back to tap spam :x

  Well at some point ya just have accept some amount of sub-optimal performance from these mix style builds (beyond the more common 'melee for ST, ranged for AoE' setup, which is more of a segregation than a mix imo).
  Last I checked, though, MO was better than R3 even on charge (assuming TP Reverb's up), but I can't test that atm.
  
  The EU doesn't really have to cover much ground, tbh, since Quarry + Int + Conc can handle most of the cost of 1 combo + 1 charged blast as is. Well.. unless ya using laser sword or w/e.

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• selphea Posts: 1,229 Arc User

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  flowcyto wrote: »

  true, but the combo-blast is mostly for ST, and vs. bosses the repel won't really matter. I find melee mobs still tend to stay in melee range w/ repels just cause of their pathing tendencies.

  
  Yea I was mostly thinking about the MVs that survive the initial AoE and take a while to kill, especially Draysha Enforcers with Defiance.
  

  Well at some point ya just have accept some amount of sub-optimal performance from these mix style builds (beyond the more common 'melee for ST, ranged for AoE' setup, which is more of a segregation than a mix imo).
  Last I checked, though, MO was better than R3 even on charge (assuming TP Reverb's up), but I can't test that atm.

  
  Yep it's Hard Frost-level so it'll definitely be worth taking over R3, but where I'm coming from is that a new build concept that uses something that's already good (Ice Blast + HF or Ego Blast + MO) but doesn't make it better isn't all that exciting. On the other hand a new build concept that uses something average or below average and takes it close to competitive is.
  

  The EU doesn't really have to cover much ground, tbh, since Quarry + Int + Conc can handle most of the cost of 1 combo + 1 charged blast as is. Well.. unless ya using laser sword or w/e.

  
  It's the PS consumer really - seems a waste to not have one. If it has to be ranged I'd lean towards a fast, no-nonsense instacast. It looks like Ego Weaponry with Siphoning Strikes -> Shadow Blast -> Tapped Ruin with ParaPara and Spirit Reverb on a tank build with high Con has the most synergy there. Then you can go Mental Disc instead of FotT/Conc.

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User

  September 2014 edited September 2014

  So, after some more mucking around, I found a fun variant using ice blast and rimefire. My initial tests w/ Beatdown as the combo had me netting a much lower crit rate on it than expected, though. After switching just the combo to something different (VF), my combo crit rate shot up to what I expected.
  
  I have reason to believe that something is crit-suppressing R3 Beatdown (and possibly all ranks)- could be that Slaughter decreases its crit instead of raises it, or maybe it has to do w/ ES/NM, or the stacking & falling stagger debuff - I dunno. The tests were multiple 7-15 min ones where I was observing a much lower crit on it than expected (~30-35% vs. 50-55%)
  
  I already wiped the parse data, so I'll just have to run some more tests later to verify, I guess (never trusted Beatdown after noticing its 3pt blindside blow adv seems to almost not work at all, either additively or multiplicatively).

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User

  September 2014 edited September 2014

  Well this rabbit hole w/ Beatdown seemed deep, and then my shoddy memory struck again!
  
  I won't post all the data in this reply. Instead ya can just browse this sheet for most of the info; the gist I'll repeat here:
  
  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LlnrZ0O0hWedpq2xbyiXxjTnz8GgkscOddAi1J7dv9I/edit#gid=0
  
  
  Basically, Beatdown at R3 has some hidden slashing dmg added to the first 2 hits of the combo. These 'ghost' hits do 0 dmg, have broken resist, and also cannot 'crit'. The combat log (and thus also the parser) picks them up as 'hits' anyways, and this lowers the parsed crit well below what it actually is.
  
  Ofc.. I didn't remember this until well into the tests and running w/ many other combos :x
  
  I still can't explain fully why some combos netted only low-50% crit w/ the full build, while others got more what I expected (low-60%). Could be ES/NM timing/RNG, but over the many long parses I'm not sure that's really the full explanation.
  
  
  I did see that Slaughter still affected Beatdown at both R1 and R3 properly w/ just basic combo spamming, so yeah.. I dunno.
  
  --
  
  A side-note also covered in the sheet: Beatdown's Blindside Blow adv seems to have gotten the Upper Hand treatment and isn't working properly (or at all).
  
  I did not notice a significant non-crit hit range difference when testing the adv on rooted/snared targets and w/o.
  
  This could be because the BsB adv text specifies '+50% Crushing Damage', and I suspect that many items or gear that had such specific modifiers were old and prob deactivated w/ the On Alert gear/stat re-haul. It may be the adv got the same treatment as a side-effect. Could also simply be the 'ghost hits' at R3 of Beatdown messing up other aspects of the power's code.
  
  
  annnd, time for a break- CO driving mah brain crazee! May have some more combo-blaster related stuff in the future.

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• pantagruel01 Posts: 7,091 Arc User

  September 2014 edited September 2014

  flowcyto wrote: »

  This could be because the BsB adv text specifies '+50% Crushing Damage', and I suspect that many items or gear that had such specific modifiers were old and prob deactivated w/ the On Alert gear/stat re-haul.

  Far as I know, they still work, they just have a bugged tooltip -- that +50% was actually +50% damage resistance. Doesn't have anything to do with Beatdown. However, many powers with a damage bonus treated it as a conventional damage bonus, which means if you already have a damage bonus of +150% (easily possible with strength and enrage) it will be less damage than increased rank.

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User

  September 2014 edited September 2014

  pantagruel01 wrote: »

  Far as I know, they still work, they just have a bugged tooltip -- that +50% was actually +50% damage resistance. Doesn't have anything to do with Beatdown. However, many powers with a damage bonus treated it as a conventional damage bonus, which means if you already have a damage bonus of +150% (easily possible with strength and enrage) it will be less damage than increased rank.

  Interesting that those items still work (my earliest toon still has one, but I've never tested it out).
  
  But the tests for Blindisde that I did were on a hybrid FF w/ no toggle, passive, or offense geared at the time, and only w/ 5 Str/Ego. I only had some minor passive dmg from ~100 Rec PSS (no other SS's). So the passive dmg DR wouldn't have been much a factor.. well, certainly not enough to make a 50% additive bonus seem like nothing at all.

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• mingtran2 Posts: 2 Arc User

  September 2014 edited September 2014

  Was trying to make a Cyborg Beast themed character, originally going to be Electric/Beastial, however looking at Quarry, maybe Force instead for better synergy

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User

  September 2014 edited September 2014

  mingtran2 wrote: »

  Was trying to make a Cyborg Beast themed character, originally going to be Electric/Beastial, however looking at Quarry, maybe Force instead for better synergy

  Well, if ya can wait for the new AT and unlock its powers, Rocket Punch can effectively replace Force Blast or Tac Missiles now, depending on ur concept. There's a higher base dmg on Rocket Punch even factoring in Force Blast's knock immune bonus, and with the adv it can also knock if ya want it to for Enrage or w/e.
  
  Electricity + Bestial SN can be done like this:
  
  PowerHouse (Link to this build)
  
  Archetype: Freeform
  
  Super Stats:
  Level 6: Intelligence (Primary)
  Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
  Level 15: Dexterity (Secondary)
  
  Talents:
  Level 1: The Savage
  Level 6: Covert Ops Training
  Level 9: Coordinated
  Level 12: Acrobat
  Level 15: Healthy Mind
  Level 18: Quick Recovery
  Level 21: Negotiator
  
  Powers:
  Level 1: Electric Bolt
  Level 1: Shred (Rank 2, Penetrating Strikes)
  Level 6: Tactical Missiles (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 8: Concentration
  Level 11: Quarry (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 14: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 17: Molecular Self-Assembly
  Level 20: Lightning Storm (Rank 2, Stolen Thunder)
  Level 23: Thunderstrike (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 26: Resurgence (Rank 2)
  Level 29: Pounce
  Level 32: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
  Level 35: Electric Shield (Rank 2)
  Level 38:
  
  Travel Powers:
  Level 6: Athletics (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 35:
  
  Specializations:
  Intelligence: Enlightened (3/3)
  Intelligence: Tactician (2/2)
  Intelligence: Detect Vulnerability (3/3)
  Intelligence: Expertise (2/2)
  Avenger: Ruthless (2/2)
  Avenger: Round 'em Up (3/3)
  Avenger: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
  Avenger: Preemptive Strike (3/3)
  Warden: Fortified Gear (2/3)
  Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
  Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
  Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
  Mastery: Avenger Mastery (1/1)
  
  Again, ya can replace Tac Missiles_FB w/ Rocket Punch. Thunderstrike would be ur MSA trigger and preemptive strikes consumer after using the blast. Thematic block I imagine could be either elec shield, energy shield, or retaliation.
  
  Ofc, there's other ways to go about a cyborg or experimental beast (ex. mixing in the sparkstorm toggle w/ bestial SN melee attacks like shred and massacre), but since ya posted in this thread I assume ya wanna tackle it from the angle of a combo blaster :x

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User

  September 2014 edited September 2014

  selphea wrote: »

  It's the PS consumer really - seems a waste to not have one. If it has to be ranged I'd lean towards a fast, no-nonsense instacast. It looks like Ego Weaponry with Siphoning Strikes -> Shadow Blast -> Tapped Ruin with ParaPara and Spirit Reverb on a tank build with high Con has the most synergy there. Then you can go Mental Disc instead of FotT/Conc.

  Oh and I missed this before, but yeah I was throwing together a build like that and it looks pretty scary. Mental Storm can be added in as well since it can also benefit from Preemptive Strikes.
  
  
  And on that note- what you brought up a few weeks back (I think) concerning SB -> ER taps and problems w/ PS not being consumed due to skipping delay.. is unfortunately quite relevant to this sort of build, I've found.
  
  Ya can def skip the activation delay for the attack the follows the AM-charged blast, but doing so w/ a ranged spell pretty much guarantees that it won't properly consume or be buffed by Preemptive Strikes, unless its a charged ability. It seems one reason for the delay is perhaps to allow these effects to process, but its still a flawed system how its been implemented.
  
  Basically: if the non-blast Ranged power ur using is instant or tapped, ya want to very slightly delay using it right after the AM-blast- so PS is properly used each time after an AM-blast. If PS isn't consumed after using the non-blast, then you likely skipped a bit of the activation delay that bridges ability use.

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• mingtran2 Posts: 2 Arc User

  September 2014 edited September 2014

  thanks, will try it out

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• selphea Posts: 1,229 Arc User

  September 2014 edited September 2014

  flowcyto wrote: »

  Oh and I missed this before, but yeah I was throwing together a build like that and it looks pretty scary. Mental Storm can be added in as well since it can also benefit from Preemptive Strikes.
  
  And on that note- what you brought up a few weeks back (I think) concerning SB -> ER taps and problems w/ PS not being consumed due to skipping delay.. is unfortunately quite relevant to this sort of build, I've found.
  
  Ya can def skip the activation delay for the attack the follows the AM-charged blast, but doing so w/ a ranged spell pretty much guarantees that it won't properly consume or be buffed by Preemptive Strikes, unless its a charged ability. It seems one reason for the delay is perhaps to allow these effects to process, but its still a flawed system how its been implemented.
  
  Basically: if the non-blast Ranged power ur using is instant or tapped, ya want to very slightly delay using it right after the AM-blast- so PS is properly used each time after an AM-blast. If PS isn't consumed after using the non-blast, then you likely skipped a bit of the activation delay that bridges ability use.

  
  You could always flip the rotation around. Instead of Combo - Blast - Consumer, do the first rotation as Combo - Blast, then Combo - Consumer - Blast

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User

  September 2014 edited September 2014

  not a bad idea, but does going from the blast to the combo still entail skipping the delay? (cause I'm honestly not sure)
  
  
  (annd, le sigh 8( TC noooooo! I want to like you; whyyyyy?)

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• moxiedanger Posts: 189 Arc User

  September 2014 edited September 2014

  Hey Flow,
  
  This idea gives me hope for making a Bestial/Infernal concept work. Question: do you know how Avenger Mastery affects maintains? I was hoping to run: Defile->Shred->Infernal Blast->Venomous Breath. Between Pestilence (sub-optimal, but concepty), Bleed, and Deadly Poison, I figured that wouldn't be half-bad single target DPS.

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User

  September 2014 edited September 2014

  moxiedanger wrote: »

  Hey Flow,
  
  This idea gives me hope for making a Bestial/Infernal concept work. Question: do you know how Avenger Mastery affects maintains? I was hoping to run: Defile->Shred->Infernal Blast->Venomous Breath. Between Pestilence (sub-optimal, but concepty), Bleed, and Deadly Poison, I figured that wouldn't be half-bad single target DPS.

  Avenger Mastery works w/ any critical hits- no matter melee, ranged, or attack type, so yes it'll work w/ whatever AoE or maintain power ya pick.
  
  Ofc, Venom breath is low single-target dps, so I wouldn't make that part of the single-target rotation, but ya can fire off quick blasts between AoE'ing if ya want to pick off a straggler at ranged or w/e.
  
  If ur using Supernatural Power and Pestilence, I'd prob make the ST rotation: Defile -> Shred -> Infernal Blast as the opener, then Shred -> Defile -> IBlast on repeat. Can throw firesnake in there too. If ya wanted to use MSA instead of SP, I'd prob use vile lariat w/ adv as the PS consumer (instead of Defile, though prob keeping Defile for its debuff, which IBlast will renew).

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• guyhumual Posts: 2,396 Arc User

  September 2014 edited September 2014

  I'm currently trying this out with a ice/heavy weapons build (level 30 ATM) but I don't understand some of your abbreviations. specifically:
  

  flowcyto wrote: »

  
  Level 23: CD attack for MSA (if needed)

  What does CD stand for?

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• moxiedanger Posts: 189 Arc User

  September 2014 edited September 2014

  Cooldown, to proc Molecular Self-Assembly.

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• guyhumual Posts: 2,396 Arc User

  September 2014 edited September 2014

  moxiedanger wrote: »

  Cooldown, to proc Molecular Self-Assembly.

  
  Ahh! "Cool down" seems so obvious now. I took a lunge at that level anyways. I got everything else but for some reason I couldn't figure that abbreviation out. Thanks!

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User

  September 2014 edited September 2014

  I'll update the OP to help clarify abbreviations like that- not a bad idea.

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• mingtran2 Posts: 2 Arc User

  September 2014 edited September 2014

  can you swap Quarry with Pestilence and still be as effective?

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User

  September 2014 edited September 2014

  mingtran2 wrote: »

  can you swap Quarry with Pestilence and still be as effective?

  Yup. Any passive can be used, really. I just put Quarry in there cause its the most versatile offensive passive, and w/ MSA and Audacity it offers the best synergy w/ Int gearing.

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• darkjzero Posts: 2 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Hello
  I am trying to build a Combo Blaster as a Cosmic Being, I just cant decide if I should use Might or Heavy Weapon for my melee combo bits, I wanted to do Paranormal Damage, so I was thinking of using Shadow Form just so I can add the Mentalist Power Selection as well to my choices. I guess the main Question is where to start with the build
  
  Thank you

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Well, I'd recommend Ego Form then, cause it not only boosts Paranormal, but also Physical dmg to a lesser degree, and gives ya some extra damage resistance to boot. Quarry is still a good pick for the passive (when is it not ) but its def not necessary for a combo blaster build.
  
  HW vs. Might is more-or-less down to ur own pref, as far as looks and whatnot. Beatdown (or Defense Combo) does hit notably faster than Cleave, though Cleave also has innate close-range AoE w/ each hit and procs/refreshes Enrage. The Mentalist DoTs do gain from Preemptive Strikes (Mental Storm being the highest dps of them by far, but also having the longest cd), so I'd prob use 1-2 of them, and/or use Ego Blast as ur blast spell.
  
  AoE could be anything from Might (Iron Cyclone w/ Vortex, Havoc Stomp), HW (Brimstone), or Mentlaist (TK Maelstrom_Eruption, Ego Storm) for upfront dmg. Earth, Force, Wind (or even PA) could also work- though that's up to you if those powersets fitting enough for the cosmic theme.
  
  Some build options using Might_HW + Mentalist- not exhaustive at all of the possibilities (and the powers can be mixed and matched), but just for a sampling and to give ya some ideas:
  
  ex1:
  PowerHouse (Link to this build)
  
  Super Stats:
  Level 6: Intelligence (Primary)
  Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
  Level 15: Dexterity (Secondary)
  
  Talents:
  Level 1: The Glacier
  Level 6: Covert Ops Training
  Level 9: Healthy Mind
  Level 12: Acrobat
  Level 15: Coordinated
  Level 18: Quick Recovery
  Level 21: Negotiator
  
  Powers:
  Level 1: Psi Lash
  Level 1: Ego Blast (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 6: Cleave (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 8: Quarry (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 11: Concentration
  Level 14: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 17: Molecular Self-Assembly
  Level 20: Iron Cyclone (Rank 2, Vortex Technique)
  Level 23: Decimate
  Level 26: Masterful Dodge
  Level 29: Mental Leech (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 32: Mental Storm (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 35: Guard (Rank 2)
  Level 38: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
  
  Travel Powers:
  Level 6:
  Level 35:
  
  Specializations:
  Intelligence: Enlightened (3/3)
  Intelligence: Tactician (2/2)
  Intelligence: Detect Vulnerability (3/3)
  Intelligence: Expertise (2/2)
  Warden: Fortified Gear (2/3)
  Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
  Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
  Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
  Avenger: Ruthless (2/2)
  Avenger: Round 'em Up (3/3)
  Avenger: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
  Avenger: Preemptive Strike (3/3)
  Mastery: Avenger Mastery (1/1)
  
  ex2:
  PowerHouse (Link to this build)
  
  Super Stats:
  Level 6: Dexterity (Primary)
  Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
  Level 15: Intelligence (Secondary)
  
  Talents:
  Level 1: The Glacier
  Level 6: Covert Ops Training
  Level 9: Acrobat
  Level 12: Healthy Mind
  Level 15: Coordinated
  Level 18: Quick Recovery
  Level 21: Negotiator
  
  Powers:
  Level 1: Psi Lash
  Level 1: Ego Blast (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 6: Beatdown (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 8: Ego Form (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 11: Concentration
  Level 14: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 17: Molecular Self-Assembly
  Level 20: Shadow of Doubt (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 23: Telekinetic Eruption (Rank 2, Enhanced Form)
  Level 26: Masterful Dodge
  Level 29: Mental Storm (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 32: Retaliation (Rank 2)
  Level 35: Mighty Leap
  Level 38: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
  
  Travel Powers:
  Level 6:
  Level 35:
  
  Specializations:
  Dexterity: Combat Training (2/3)
  Dexterity: Gear Utilization (3/3)
  Dexterity: Deadly Aim (3/3)
  Dexterity: Expose Weakness (2/2)
  Warden: Fortified Gear (2/3)
  Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
  Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
  Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
  Avenger: Ruthless (2/2)
  Avenger: Round 'em Up (3/3)
  Avenger: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
  Avenger: Preemptive Strike (3/3)
  Mastery: Avenger Mastery (1/1)

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• darkjzero Posts: 2 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Thank you
  While your build wasn't what i was looking for, it helped narrow down what I wanted, Thank you again and Merry Christmas
  Thanks

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  darkjzero wrote: »

  Thank you
  While your build wasn't what i was looking for, it helped narrow down what I wanted, Thank you again and Merry Christmas
  Thanks

  anytime, and hope ur having a good holiday too.

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• honkhill Posts: 56 Arc User

  February 2016

  Hey, just bumping this to say I've been having fun with the bullet beatdown + eldritch blast + manipulator flavor of this build. But now with the changes to the pistol set, with the addition of new powers and the 'Furious' effect, would this affect the combo blaster at all?

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User

  February 2016 edited February 2016

  Well, if ya wanna take adv of BB's Nw/oI adv, then yea you'll need Furious, and the best way to get that atm is via Burst Shot's special adv that grants it. You no longer shoe-horn in Concentration or Enrage via other means to get that special adv to work.
  
  If Burst Shot is made into a charged blast, then even pure Muni builds will be able to take part in builds like this.

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• riverocean Posts: 1,690 Arc User

  March 2016

  How about something like this for a Warrior/Mage type? I tried to build one ages ago.. and could never get it to work. Heavy weapons looks great the Dragon's Scepter or Wizard's staff.
  
  PowerHouse http://powerhouse.nullware.com/
  
  Link to this build: http://powerhouse.nullware.com/powerhouse.html?v=13&amp;n=War Wizard&amp;d=1432ObMGHPT0000M000M103G1036403G603J5037G00GE03G7009Q006500MB03QJ0000002WIF3SXU43Oy
  
  Name: War Wizard
  
  Archetype: Freeform
  
  Super Stats:
  Level 6: Intelligence (Primary)
  Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
  Level 15: Dexterity (Secondary)
  
  Talents:
  Level 1: The Glacier
  Level 6: Covert Ops Training
  Level 9: Healthy Mind
  Level 12: Acrobat
  Level 15: Coordinated
  Level 18: Quick Recovery
  Level 21: Negotiator
  
  Powers:
  Level 1: Eldritch Bolts
  Level 1: Eldritch Blast (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 6: Cleave (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 8: Quarry (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 11: Guard (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 14: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 17: Molecular Self-Assembly
  Level 20: Brimstone (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 23: Decimate
  Level 26: Unbreakable
  Level 29: Concentration
  Level 32: Circle of Primal Dominion (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 35: Rebirth
  Level 38:
  
  Travel Powers:
  Level 6:
  Level 35:
  
  Specializations:
  Intelligence: Enlightened (3/3)
  Intelligence: Tactician (2/2)
  Intelligence: Detect Vulnerability (3/3)
  Intelligence: Expertise (2/2)
  Warden: Fortified Gear (2/3)
  Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
  Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
  Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
  Avenger: Ruthless (2/2)
  Avenger: Round 'em Up (3/3)
  Avenger: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
  Avenger: Preemptive Strike (3/3)
  Mastery: Avenger Mastery (1/1)
  

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User

  March 2016 edited March 2016

  I had to double check, cause this isn't always the case w/ ranged instant cds, but it does seem like Hex of Suffering uses Preemptive Strike properly, so that's nice and makes it a good fit for the build. You'd then use Cleave till AvM proc -> charged Eld Blast -> Hex as ur single-target rotation. The new Hex will also debuff the target for Magic dmg, increasing Eld Blast dmg on targets affected by it- good for longer fights.
  
  Since ur using a melee AoE (Brimstone) I may go a melee role + FotT + Dex focus instead of Int + Conc + ranged, but its kinda up to you. Dex PSS is also good for this- prob more optimal dps than Int PSS, but Int PSS is still nice since Expertise will boost the crit% Dex gearing gives and the health Con gives. That's also up to you.
  
  PowerHouse (Link to this build)
  
  Archetype: Freeform
  
  Super Stats:
  Level 6: Intelligence (Primary)
  Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
  Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)
  
  Talents:
  Level 1: The Glacier
  Level 6: Covert Ops Training
  Level 9: Healthy Mind
  Level 12: Acrobat
  Level 15: Coordinated
  Level 18: Quick Recovery
  Level 21: Negotiator
  
  Powers:
  Level 1: Eldritch Bolts
  Level 1: Cleave (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 6: Guard (Rank 2)
  Level 8: Quarry (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 11: Form of the Tempest
  Level 14: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 17: Molecular Self-Assembly
  Level 20: Brimstone (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 23: Masterful Dodge
  Level 26: Hex of Suffering (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 29: Eldritch Blast (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 32: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
  Level 35: Circle of Primal Dominion (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 38: Rebirth
  
  Travel Powers:
  Level 6:
  Level 35:
  
  Specializations:
  Intelligence: Enlightened (3/3)
  Intelligence: Tactician (2/2)
  Intelligence: Detect Vulnerability (3/3)
  Intelligence: Expertise (2/2)
  Warden: Fortified Gear (2/3)
  Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
  Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
  Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
  Avenger: Ruthless (2/2)
  Avenger: Round 'em Up (3/3)
  Avenger: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
  Avenger: Preemptive Strike (3/3)
  Mastery: Avenger Mastery (1/1)
  
  I dropped the lunge if ya can take a fast combat TP, though ya could drop something else instead for Hex.

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• xkagearashix Posts: 397 Arc User

  June 2016

  not that good at this kind of build, but thought I'd give it a try for when Ballistix hits 40, this is what it would look like...
  
  
  PowerHouse   (Link to this build)
  
  Name:
  
  Archetype: Freeform
  
  Super Stats:
  Level 6: Dexterity (Primary)
  Level 10: Intelligence (Secondary)
  Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)
  
  Talents:
  Level 1: The Glacier
  Level 6: Covert Ops Training
  Level 9: Healthy Mind
  Level 12: Coordinated
  Level 15: Acrobat
  Level 18: Quick Recovery
  Level 21: Negotiator
  
  Powers:
  Level 1: Gunslinger
  Level 1: Bullet Beatdown (Rank 2, Not Without Incident)
  Level 6: burst shot Rank 3
  Level 8: Quarry (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 11: Concentration
  Level 14: Two-Gun Mojo (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 17: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 20: Molecular Self-Assembly
  Level 23: Bountiful Chi Resurgence
  Level 26: Submachinegun Burst (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 29: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
  Level 32: Masterful Dodge
  Level 35: Holdout Shot (Stim Pack)
  Level 38: Evasive Maneuvers (Sleight of Mind)
  
  Travel Powers:
  Level 6: Jet Pack (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 35: Acrobatics
  
  Specializations:
  Dexterity: Combat Training (2/3)
  Dexterity: Gear Utilization (3/3)
  Dexterity: Deadly Aim (3/3)
  Dexterity: Expose Weakness (2/2)
  Warden: Fortified Gear (2/3)
  Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
  Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
  Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
  Avenger: Ruthless (2/2)
  Avenger: Anguish (2/2)
  Avenger: Round 'em Up (1/3)
  Avenger: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
  Avenger: Preemptive Strike (3/3)
  Mastery: Avenger Mastery (1/1)
  

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,848 Arc User

  June 2016

  Unfortunately, Combo-Blaster as a concept can't work w/ Burst Shot, since its a blast that can't be charged (wish they didn't make it instant-only; limits what ya can do w/ it ). That build is a fine BBeatdown build in a more general sense, though- just sub Avenger for Vindicator and make sure to pickup Taking Names on Burst Shot, and get RR adv on BCR if pairing it w/ MD. You'll also have to gear somewhat heavily into Int if wanting to afford TGM via MSA procs and Conc.

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