Void Plus (Void FF): tips?

wrathsoul1

Any tips on building a Void FF?

theravenforce

Hmm,

You could try including certain powers from Darkness which work well together...

I've come up with this:

PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Name: Darkness - RF - Version 1

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Endurance (Primary)
Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
Level 15: Intelligence (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Void
Level 6: Energetic
Level 9: Enduring
Level 12: Brilliant
Level 15: Healthy Mind
Level 18: Boundless Reserves
Level 21: Investigator

Powers:
Level 1: Shadow Bolt
Level 1: Shadow Blast (Rank 2, Psychotic Break)
Level 6: Shadow Embrace (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Aura of Primal Majesty (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Concentration
Level 14: Lifedrain (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17: Molecular Self-Assembly
Level 20: Ebon Void (Voracious Darkness)
Level 23: Shadow Shroud (Rank 2, Terrifying Visage)
Level 26: Dark Transfusion
Level 29: Summon Shadows (Rank 2, Devouring Darkness)
Level 32: Ebon Ruin (Rank 2, Nyctophobia, Paranormal Paranoia)
Level 35: Masterful Dodge
Level 38: Rebirth (Rank 2, Rank 3)

Travel Powers:
Level 6: Mystic Flight (Rank 2)
Level 35: Teleportation (Rank 2)

Specializations:
Endurance: Readiness (3/3)
Endurance: Gear Utilization (3/3)
Endurance: Kickback (1/2)
Endurance: Power Overwhelming (1/3)
Endurance: Hardened (2/2)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Modified Gear (2/2)
Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
Guardian: Tenacious (1/2)
Guardian: Find the Mark (1/3)
Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
Mastery: Guardian Mastery (1/1)

It works well with Nemesis Gear and it relatively fun to use, I've never been super fantastic at making Darkness builds, so I'm sure this can be improved in some way.

I've also made use of END simply because I like that stat.

Feel free to chop and change where necessary.

flowcyto

Here's a shadowfiend build I've used, ranged dps role:

PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Name:
Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Intelligence (Primary)
Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
Level 15: Dexterity (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Void
Level 6: Coordinated
Level 9: Healthy Mind
Level 12: Acrobat
Level 15: Boundless Reserves
Level 18: Investigator
Level 21: Accurate

Powers:
Level 1: Shadow Bolt
Level 1: Shadow Blast (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 6: Spirit Reverberation
Level 8: Ego Form (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Concentration
Level 14: Shadow Embrace (Rank 2, Dark Displacement)
Level 17: Lifedrain (Rank 2, Vampiric Sympathy)
Level 20: Ebon Ruin (Rank 2, Nyctophobia, Paranormal Paranoia)
Level 23: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 26: Summon Shadows (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 29: Palliate (Absolve)
Level 32: Ebon Rift (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Ebon Void (Voracious Darkness)
Level 38: Resurrection Serum

Travel Powers:
Level 6: Athletics (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Fire Flight

Specializations:
Intelligence: Preparation (2/2)
Intelligence: Enlightened (3/3)
Intelligence: Detect Vulnerability (3/3)
Intelligence: Expertise (2/2)
Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Mastery: Intelligence Mastery (1/1)

(fire flight colored purple cause that's what I had speced at the time)

Can trade Ego Form for Shadow Form for theme (I just like EF's all dmg resist), and add in an AO if you like. Gearing was mostly Int and Con, side of Dex and End (to help afford Ebon Ruin as 'filler' between fear renewal, summon shadows, and ebon rift). Ego PSS instead of Int would work if you have a DUC already. Rift is nice cause w/ Fear up and SR ya get energy in the background, ala Flashfire w/ TR.

selphea

Try this (updated to use Pri. Ego):

PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Name:

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Ego (Primary)
Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
Level 15: Intelligence (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: Matter Manipulator
Level 6: Healthy Mind
Level 9: Ascetic
Level 12: Academics
Level 15: Wordly
Level 18: Negotiator
Level 21: Quick Recovery

Powers:
Level 1: Shadow Bolt
Level 1: Shadow Embrace (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 6: Shadow Form (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Concentration
Level 11: Spirit Reverberation
Level 14: Lifedrain (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17: Ebon Void (Voracious Darkness)
Level 20: Shadow Blast (Rank 2, Psychotic Break)
Level 23: Ebon Ruin (Rank 2, Rank 3, Nyctophobia)
Level 26: Summon Shadows (Rank 2, Devouring Darkness)
Level 29: Sigils of Radiant Sanctuary (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 32: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
Level 35: Masterful Dodge
Level 38: Circle of Arcane Power

Travel Powers:
Level 6: Aethyric Incantation (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Teleportation

Specializations:
Ego: Force of Will (2/2)
Ego: Insight (3/3)
Ego: Follow Through (2/3)
Ego: Sixth Sense (3/3)
Avenger: Ruthless (2/2)
Avenger: Round 'em Up (3/3)
Avenger: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
Avenger: Preemptive Strike (3/3)
Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
Mastery: Avenger Mastery (1/1)

The idea is, Ebon Ruin is the best Darkness sustainable attack, but needs Fear. Shadow Blast is the only 100ft Fear. So use Shadow Blast to proc Preemptive Strike, then hit them with a Ruin. No debuff because +20% from R3 is better since most of your damage comes from Ruin.

Radiant Sigils is there because Shadowform. Recolor it purple and it'll look more shadowy. Then you get to park in a tree for Gravitar to be immune to pulls while sitting on Arcane Circle and hiding in Radiant Sigils.

Just don't bother gearing for Ego. You want to stack a bit of Con for survivability then go Int all the way. Have a Vigi Sec Off or 3x Armadillo Secs to cover Ego and that should be enough.

Also, no guarantee that this works - can't try till I get back.

flowcyto

The rad sigils + Pres and Shadow Form thing is prob a nice way to abuse Gravi and Frosty's range, if that's a priority.

Fear/stun doesn't work w/ Pres' Vulnerability, though. I guess ya could roll it w/ Ego Sleep w/ and Mental Storm instead, but that'd prob be too out-of-theme. I'd prob still get the 10% ER debuff, but I guess it depends how much ya using the other powers vs. ER (mine uses rift pretty often, w/ shadows out I'd rather buff all their dmg + any other paranormal users in the team).

selphea

flowcyto wrote: »

The rad sigils + Pres and Shadow Form thing is prob a nice way to abuse Gravi and Frosty's range, if that's a priority.

Fear/stun doesn't work w/ Pres' Vulnerability, though. I guess ya could roll it w/ Ego Sleep w/ and Mental Storm instead, but that'd prob be too out-of-theme. I'd prob still get the 10% ER debuff, but I guess it depends how much ya using the other powers vs. ER (mine uses rift pretty often, w/ shadows out I'd rather buff all their dmg + any other paranormal users in the team).

I used Rift a lot too back then. Full Charge Ruin on a supervillain then Rift with Vengeful Shadows for 3 huge crits. Works best with low Ego so your knocks are weak and barely nudge them. The meta now with Rampages seems to be more about un-knockable bosses though, but Rift is definitely viable.

And grr on Vulnerability I'd just go with Ego in that case

aiqa

Darkness never really impressed me much for pve. Has anyone managed to get a darkness build do close to 4k dps?

selphea

aiqa wrote: »

Darkness never really impressed me much for pve. Has anyone managed to get a darkness build do close to 4k dps?

4k dummy should be possible and I will try something out in a couple of hours. It's likely one of two routes:

1. Avenger alternating Blast and Ruin with Preemptive Strike or
2. Ebon Rift and Ruin debuff, exploiting the all-or-nothing crit behaviour by timing a fully maintained Rift at the start and last second of Ego Surge

This is really where Darkness is problematic - your debuff attack is also your high damage sustainable attack. If you use it for debuff you don't really want to spam it. If you spam it for most of your damage then it's a waste to take the debuff. And there's no instant Fear apart from Void Shift which is kinda silly for a ranged character to take.

That and I prefer TK Assault just because it's lower energy and always nice to see Crit-Crit-Crit-Crit-Crit-Crit

selphea

selphea wrote: »

4k dummy should be possible and I will try something out in a couple of hours. It's likely one of two routes:

1. Avenger alternating Blast and Ruin with Preemptive Strike or
2. Ebon Rift and Ruin debuff, exploiting the all-or-nothing crit behaviour by timing a fully maintained Rift at the start and last second of Ego Surge

This is really where Darkness is problematic - your debuff attack is also your high damage sustainable attack. If you use it for debuff you don't really want to spam it. If you spam it for most of your damage then it's a waste to take the debuff. And there's no instant Fear apart from Void Shift which is kinda silly for a ranged character to take.

That and I prefer TK Assault just because it's lower energy and always nice to see Crit-Crit-Crit-Crit-Crit-Crit

Just did it - 3412 without DU core. Had a Growth Ammy in there so should get 4k with a proper DU and optimal/seasoned rotation and build.

The main thing that makes it possible is that there seems to be an animation cancel "feature" with Shadow Blast and Ebon Ruin - Ebon Ruin queued after Shadow Blast will fire at almost the same time with no GCD. So instead of the expected 2 seconds + 0.67 + mystery tap delay, you get something very close to the actual 2.67.

So use Blast specs - haven't figured out if Guardicator with Guardian Mastery or Avenger Mastery is better, although I got 3.4k with Guardicator and Guardian Mastery. Full charge the Blasts, put ParaPara and Nycto on Ruin and tap it after a Blast, use R3 Summon Shadows and rotate ADs.

That said, it's more trouble than it's worth

aiqa

selphea wrote: »

Just did it - 3412 without DU core. Had a Growth Ammy in there so should get be with a proper DU and optimal/seasoned rotation and build.

The main thing that makes it possible is that there seems to be an animation cancel "feature" with Shadow Blast and Ebon Ruin - Ebon Ruin queued after Shadow Blast will fire at almost the same time with no GCD. So instead of the expected 2 seconds + 0.67 + mystery tap delay, you get something very close to the actual 2.67.

So use Blast specs - haven't figured out if Guardicator with Guardian Mastery or Avenger Mastery is better, although I got 3.4k with Guardicator and Guardian Mastery. Full charge the Blasts, put ParaPara and Nycto on Ruin and tap it after a Blast, use R3 Summon Shadows and rotate ADs.

That said, it's more trouble than it's worth

Thank you for testing that, I might have a to look at things against then. Though depending on pets to get to that will make things a bit tricky on gravitar.

selphea

aiqa wrote: »

Thank you for testing that, I might have a to look at things against then. Though depending on pets to get to that will make things a bit tricky on gravitar.

Could always swap it with Mental Storm, Mental Storm makes everything better...