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So Cryptic, how are we going to survive after the dodge nerf?

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  • wrathsoul1wrathsoul1 Posts: 680 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    beldin wrote: »
    And, what kind of power is it ? Is it a block, and active defense or what exactly ?

    Sorry for the stupid question, but i have seen some numbers for that skill in many threads, but never read what it really is :confused:

    Apparently, it's a block.
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  • beldinbeldin Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    wrathsoul1 wrote: »
    Apparently, it's a block.

    So something like the ranged version of ellusive monk ?
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  • tditstdits Posts: 666 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    beldin wrote: »
    So something like the ranged version of ellusive monk ?

    No, it's a block that gives Dodge and Avoid instead of any resists. And by any resists I'm including the 200% that you'd get with no block replacer. It's the least likely thing on PTS to make it to live without a complete redesign.

    It also has an advantage that lets the dodge bonus last for a few seconds if you hold the block down long enough. I'm not sure how that works, but as I said this thing isn't going to live unless they completely redo it.
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  • shadowzero66shadowzero66 Posts: 331 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    beldin wrote: »
    So something like the ranged version of ellusive monk ?

    More like the Dodge version of Ebon Void's Voracious Darkness advantage last I checked.
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  • biffsmackwellbiffsmackwell Posts: 4,739 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    canadascott wrote: »
    To the OP's question (and taking it far more seriously than Finn intends.)

    If I could survive the Gadroon in Canada post-launch, I don't think I'll have problems surviving this nerf. I'll die a few more times and adjust. and maybe scream at the screen a little more often. But I've never sweated the numbers too much. It won't affect my playstyle.

    Hear, hear.

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  • beldinbeldin Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    tdits wrote: »
    No, it's a block that gives Dodge and Avoid instead of any resists. And by any resists I'm including the 200% that you'd get with no block replacer. It's the least likely thing on PTS to make it to live without a complete redesign.

    It also has an advantage that lets the dodge bonus last for a few seconds if you hold the block down long enough. I'm not sure how that works, but as I said this thing isn't going to live unless they completely redo it.

    Ah .. sounds totally stupid to me .. change the 200% against just a higher dodge chance ? :confused:
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  • myfrozenkissesmyfrozenkisses Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    noooo.. youre ruining CO.. Master ATs only strong side is dodge.. damage on it is bad.. and it cant support anyone.. dropping dodges make Master AT useless... :mad::mad:
  • biffsmackwellbiffsmackwell Posts: 4,739 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    myfrozenkisses wrote: »
    noooo.. youre ruining CO.. Master ATs only strong side is dodge.. damage on it is bad.. and it cant support anyone.. dropping dodges make Master AT useless... :mad::mad:

    The Archetypes are very likely to get looked at sometime after the dodge changes go live. They need to collect data on how it performs. So if you can provide your detailed experiences with that Archetype, feel free to post your feedback on the PTS threads.
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  • mrf0rz1mrf0rz1 Posts: 556 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    myfrozenkisses wrote: »
    noooo.. youre ruining CO.. Master ATs only strong side is dodge.. damage on it is bad.. and it cant support anyone.. dropping dodges make Master AT useless... :mad::mad:

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  • xydaxydaxydaxyda Posts: 817 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    My main started out as a Master AT and still has the same passive, buff form, and most of the powers of a Master AT...


    My dodge was 69.1 yesterday, when I was on for a few minutes this morning it was 65.5...


    still up past %100 dodge pretty fast when I used a few thundering kicks.
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    xydaxyda wrote: »
    My main started out as a Master AT and still has the same passive, buff form, and most of the powers of a Master AT...


    My dodge was 69.1 yesterday, when I was on for a few minutes this morning it was 65.5...


    still up past %100 dodge pretty fast when I used a few thundering kicks.

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  • deviousideviousi Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    spinnytop wrote: »
    Finn wasn't actually the OP.... this post was started during the switch to daylight savings time, so post #8 is actually the OP.

    If that was the case and what is mentioned in post #8 is in fact true, then I have several issues with how dodge nerfing is being handled.
  • tditstdits Posts: 666 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    deviousi wrote: »
    If that was the case and what is mentioned in post #8 is in fact true, then I have several issues with how dodge nerfing is being handled.

    No, spinnytop was making fun of the "DOOOOM!" surrounding the changes. Defensive passives are still there, and will not be going anywhere.
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  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,883 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    mrf0rz1 wrote: »
    Welcome to Infernoland.

    LOL just LOL.
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  • secksegaisecksegai Posts: 1,354 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    xydaxyda wrote: »
    My main started out as a Master AT and still has the same passive, buff form, and most of the powers of a Master AT...


    My dodge was 69.1 yesterday, when I was on for a few minutes this morning it was 65.5...


    still up past %100 dodge pretty fast when I used a few thundering kicks.

    spinnytop wrote: »
    Once again, in game experience trumps forum theorycrafting uwu

    You can use thundering kicks to hit 100% dodge without having any bonus dodge at all.
  • tditstdits Posts: 666 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    >_> This game needs Infernoland goggles that change the map into Infernoland. Also, more hats.
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  • gaarafrednorrispgaarafrednorrisp Posts: 504 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    nepht wrote: »
    LOL just LOL.
    mrf0rz1 wrote: »
    Welcome to Infernoland.

    Remember, Infernos. Even if you're the most useless AT..

    you're still not as useless as Yamcha
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  • tditstdits Posts: 666 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    secksegai wrote: »
    You can use thundering kicks to hit 100% dodge without having any bonus dodge at all.

    I think the important bit was that his Master only lost 3.6% standing Dodge.
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  • xydaxydaxydaxyda Posts: 817 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    secksegai wrote: »
    You can use thundering kicks to hit 100% dodge without having any bonus dodge at all.

    Sure you could but it would take awhile and it starts over as soon as you dodge an attack..I get it up there way waay faster :D
  • secksegaisecksegai Posts: 1,354 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I would hope so, you would have a 60% chance headstart.
  • xydaxydaxydaxyda Posts: 817 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Yep I would say it is a perfectly reasonable head start for a character with a dodge passive!
  • noyjitatpwenoyjitatpwe Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    gaarafrednorrisp wrote: »
    Remember, Infernos. Even if you're the most useless AT..

    you're still not as useless as Yamcha
    I don't know what this Yamcha is but it sounds pretty disappointing.
  • kenpojujitsu3kenpojujitsu3 Posts: 1,320 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    noyjitatpwe wrote: »
    I don't know what this Yamcha is but it sounds pretty disappointing.

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  • gaarafrednorrispgaarafrednorrisp Posts: 504 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    kenpojujitsu3 wrote: »
    Lord Guru has spoken. Nailllllllllll

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    noyjitatpwe wrote: »
    I don't know what this Yamcha is but it sounds pretty disappointing.
    I don't know what this Yamcha is. But it sounds just like Raditz.
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