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I will confess to being an utter dunce at the PnP Champions universe (although I did find and purchase an old Sourcebook ('Kingdom of Champions') when CO went into Closed Beta), being more of a Rifts man back in the day, and this may have been covered elsewhere; although I did look.
Succinctly: are there differences and/or a formula for CO stats compared to PnP stats? For example, my CO main has a STR of 217. However, in that aforementioned Sourcebook (albiet from an older incarnation of the rules), the giant 40ft monster 'Gog-Magog' has a STR of 120. If my main somehow entered the PnP world, how would his stats change?
I only ask as I'm curious where my hero would stand in the PnP world, especially with the new Core book out, which I do intend to buy, but wasn't sure if the stats are transferrable in each.
Cheers!
Succinctly: are there differences and/or a formula for CO stats compared to PnP stats? For example, my CO main has a STR of 217. However, in that aforementioned Sourcebook (albiet from an older incarnation of the rules), the giant 40ft monster 'Gog-Magog' has a STR of 120. If my main somehow entered the PnP world, how would his stats change?
I only ask as I'm curious where my hero would stand in the PnP world, especially with the new Core book out, which I do intend to buy, but wasn't sure if the stats are transferrable in each.
Cheers!
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MMOs are always changing environments, unfortuantely. Look at the latest changes in WoW to their stats, they've pretty much gutted and reformatted the entire system. Not saying that will happen to Champions, but things change for many reasons, including it doesn't make sense anymore to it needed to be streamlined.
In PNP stats have a numerical correlation to various things (STR/5 = dice of damage done; DEX/3 = Offensive and Defensive Combat Value). So too, in CO stats have numerical correlations to various things, but the relationships are more complex than /3 or /5, and include things like diminishing returns. Further, the stats don't do the same things. STR in PNP does not automatically provide KB resist (although it can apply if you perform a combat maneuver to make it do so) and INT does not lower energy costs.
I believe the devs consulted the PNP stats when deciding their effects in CO, but leavened that with a healthy does of what works in a video game as opposed to a tabletop.
Frankly I am suprised that they are even considering a conversion formula as the stats do not correlate with those in PnP. Certain stats are non existent in CO, such as Speed, used to determine how many attacks you could do in a turn. Defences are much more detailed in PnP, as you have separate ones for energy, physical, mental, flash, ego and power (vs drains etc). Furthermore , you have standard and killing attacks, the former do mainly STUN whilst killing attacks do more BODY and thus can easily kill a toon with no defence against them ie resistant defences.
You are two full editions behind.
250 point characters was standard in 4rth edition [Big Blue Book] days.
350 points in 5th edition.
450 now in 6th edition [but you no longer are encouraged to take 150 points in disads either, rather instead 50, so character power level is similar to 5th edition.
I don't think there is much correlation between the two.
In the PnP game:
Strength doesn't have a 'real' ceiling. A character of some type could have a 500 strength, which would be the equivalent of being able to lift the entire solar system or even the galaxy as a whole and throw it fairly far.
Characters have a SPEED attribute which maxes out at 12, and a twelve speed is VERY Expensive to buy (at least 80 points with a 30 Dex).
In the Champs online game:
The top end of a stat is 200-something and all stats go up the same amount with the right gear theoretically.
There is no SPEED attribute. However that would be a nice stat to add in later. What would it do? It would speed up the 'activation' time of a power, the casting time of a power, and the cool down would speed up as well, bringing it back to use faster. However it would also cost more energy to use said power. Maybe this isn't such a great stat to put 'in game' and 'everyone' under the hood is all balanced around the 'same' speed just for game balance reasons perhaps. Meaning SPEED exists in the game engine but is not modifiable by players.
(I'll never do something like that again though, it ****es the other players off too much
not to mention the GM
A 12 speed is fun to play until you realize that you are spending either half your points on reduced endurance for your powers so that you can actually use them every phase, or half of your time taking recoveries
Reduced end in 4th ed was +1/4 (1/2 end) or +1/2 (0 end).
(Not that big a hardship...)
My standard attack was "3d6 (AF[x5],AoE[1Hex],Pen[x2]).
It hit on an avg. of 5 times (high OCV
Instead of using a 10d6 attack that generated an avg. of 15 stun (3.5 x 10 - avg PD/20) every 3 segments (4 SPD),
i used an attack that did 5 stun guarenteed every round/3 segments for an avg. of 15 stun.
(As you can see, It still fell well within the curve)
If you wonder why i just didn't use a V.P.P. (Variable Power Pool) instead of "Variable Advantage"...
...It's because (after the first time) i was never allowed to have one AGAIN
(Who would of thought: "Instant change, usable vs. others, AoE, selective" could be THAT annoying?)
(What? Haven't you ever seen a "Speed" character "Strip" villians down to their undies before?)
(Sheesh!)
^^^ I'm sure you can see why ^^^ :rolleyes:
DAMMIT!
Now i want to play Champions (4th ED) again...
...Grrrrrr
Ahh now I see. All a matter of campaign power level. Most of the games I played in wouldnt accomodate a 12 speed or a CV that high but those that did would be populated with villains who would not be phased by that attack. Then again, you have the ultimate in versatility and could just switch to a different series of advantages as needed (NND-hard ear cover-lighting fast slaps at the targets ears causing an over-pressure effect) Definately a very cool effect.
Currently I am representing a character whose superpower is sufficiently difficult to use that he relies on sophisticated weapons (and martial arts) to round out his combat capabilities. I use a variable advantage and variable special effect combo on an RKA to represent a large number of different weapon options available to the character. THose advantages are really underused considering how much they can help you represent a concept.
- Active point cap (60)
- Max dice cap (12)
- Attribute/Power/Skill point (total) caps (125/125/50)
The character in question had high DEX(33)/SPD(12)/REC(10), but under 1/2 human max for everything else.(You'd be surprised how high you can get some stats at the cost of others
What we (the players) did with those points set the tone of the campain.
(I believe the quote from the GM was "I'll give you guys some rope, don't hang yourself with it!")
Our theme was "Super Normals".
One character was super strong, another guy was super smart, etc.
But just because you've got high stats in one area doens't make you unstoppable.
(Believe me, my character got nailed by a bullet once, and it wasn't pretty!)
I've played some campains where the power level was higher,
but it wasn't as fun
My group plays at a higher level of power usually, but some of our most enjoyable games have been similar to what you have described. I ran a game in which all characters were restricted to normal characteristic maxima, except for a schtick (a brick would be allowed to buy up his strength and maybe con, a speedster their dex and spd). WHat really set the heroes apart from normals were their powers.
One of my all time favorite campaigns was inspired by the X-Men: Evolution animated show. We used our homegrown setting but focussed on lower powered teen supers still in highschool. It was a blast.
I know, but he only has old source books and for that period heroes were based on 250 usually. Personally I prefer the lower cap as I never liked Superman, Hulk et al. However, I wouldn't mind a higher cap as long as the points are only spent on non combat abilities such as skills.
*brain asplodes*
"Translation"
*catches all the microscopic brain matter flying out at the speed of sound and puts them back in GB's head*
I want to put my character Judge Bott up against Iron Man in my java arena.
I know it is using an old version of Hero Games rules, and doesn't include everything, but it is still fun to play with.
http://ultimatebattles.com/battledome/
Ya know what? There was a time in my life when that little JAVA applet Battle Arena thingie would have kept me occupied for months, fueled by my zest for Champions alone.