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FC.31.20190228.3 - Circus Malvanum, Power Changes
kaiserin
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Circus Malvanum
Misc
Power Changes
Compassion
Infernal Blast
Knockback Resistance
Leaping Flames
Ebon Ruin
Dark Transfusion
New Power: Power Conversion
Circles
Circle of Radiant Glory
Circle of Primal Dominion
Circle of Ebon Wrath
Circle of Arcane Power
Energy Unlocks
Conujuring
Telepathic Reverberation
- Divided up store to match current event store setups.
- Added Roman Guard bracer and Regal Lion mask costumes to the store.
- Action Figures have been removed from the store. They can be found as possible drops from the race.
Misc
- The rare drop fx will only display on a Dark Speed drop for Oubliette in the Resistance mission.
Power Changes
Compassion
- Updated tooltip to be clear on how this power triggers as its old tooltip was vague and contained incorrect information.
- This power was not intended to trigger off of passive effects, such as Regeneration or Medical Nanites. We are aware a recent patch has caused some other passive abilities to not trigger Compassion (Sentinel Aura for example). Since these powers should not have been triggering Compassion in the first place, the change will stay.
- If there are any powers that should be triggering Compassion, like a direct heal, please be sure to mention them. Keep in mind this form will not grant stacks if the target you heal is already at full health.
Infernal Blast
- Optimized fx.
Knockback Resistance
- Fixed a bug where this effect would sometimes get stuck on 2 stacks.
Leaping Flames
- Fixed a bug where this dot wasn't being boosted by damage bonuses properly.
Ebon Ruin
- Fixed a bug where the increased cost based on charge time for this power was higher than intended.
Dark Transfusion
- Increased power regeneration significantly.
New Power: Power Conversion
- Laser Swords
- Grants energy recovery over time (similar to Dark Transfusion).
- Lowers damage and healing output while active.
Circles
- We felt most of the circle powers provided too much benefit without enough drawback (Circle of Primal Dominion in particular). These powers have seen some significant changes in this update to keep their benefits desirable, but not overwhelmingly so.
Circle of Radiant Glory
- Increased cooldown time to 180 seconds (from 120) when the player is resurrected.
- Now places all other self-rez powers on cooldown when the rez effect is triggered.
Circle of Primal Dominion
- Increased the amount of resistance this power gives.
- Added threat reduction to characters not in Protector Role.
- Lowered the amount of Knock resistance this power gives significantly.
- Slightly lowered threat bonuses.
- Removed the Stealth sight bonus.
- Removed the Hold resistance negative effect.
- Removed the additional health and resistance bonuses this circle gave to Sentinel role.
- Standing in the circle now increases your power costs.
- Standing in the circle now increases your recharge times.
- Now disappears after 2 seconds when leaving the circle.
- New advantage (3): Increases the amount of time this circle persists when you are not in it.
Circle of Ebon Wrath
- Added Stealth sight bonus to this power.
- Fixed a bug where the heal debuff did not scale with rank.
- Now disappears after 2 seconds when leaving the circle.
- New advantage (3): Increases the amount of time this circle persists when you are not in it.
Circle of Arcane Power
- Standing in this circle now prevents energy returns from restoring power.
- Fixed a bug where this power was scaling with Recovery.
- Slightly increased base energy return to account for a player's base Recovery stat boosting this power.
- Now disappears after 2 seconds when leaving the circle.
- New advantage (3): Increases the amount of time this circle persists when you are not in it.
Energy Unlocks
- Many under the hood changes have been made to energy unlocks. This shouldn't have any impact on ones not listed in power changes, but please be sure to check them out.
- Fixed a bug where some energy unlocks were displaying the incorrect amount of energy they restored in their tooltips. This just affected the tooltip amount.
Conujuring
- Now applies energy over a period of time.
Telepathic Reverberation
- Updated tooltip to state that it applies energy over a period of time.
- This power should now be much more responsive when using it in large groups and grant energy quicker if you are far away.
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Not really clear what this means?
It's always seemed to me that this circle needs more of a boost than a nerf. Is it used egregiously?
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When the current meta is already swimming in tons of energy generation is this really the wisest aspect to be buffing? Making these powers grant even more energy for, what, making REC and END statting even less necessary? If we already have builds that can maintain constant output of attacks like Defile or Ebon Ruin or other typical T3 options without resorting to using energy stats or the like then what really is the point of these moves?
Also lol the decision to include an energy buff in exchange for damage in a set that was designed to use INT. So that all said,
This extremely vague update note makes me feel some emotion I won't bother elaborating on. Not because it's particularly strong, but because it won't have any impact on how the updates carry out.
in all seriousness though, I have no idea why it's been plotted out to suspiciously have two major non-EU energy-generating moves suddenly tuned up/created at the exact same time as this vague undescribed change.
That might have something to do with tanks in cosmics being expected to basically be stationary for the whole fight. Maybe if mobility was more of a factor in some future encounters. As it is right now this is just guaranteeing that people get less options to explore making builds with.
So basically just forcing all tanks to absolutely be STR-based melee now, ok. Also further reinforcing the exact use cases that this circle has in the meta, since outside of like Qwyjibo or possibly very narrow cases in Teleiosaurus or Eidolon, tanks just stand their ground and block anyways. gg.
Will be fair I like all the other changes on PD otherwise, but for just saying that it's the most overused circle, and then arguably making it better for the narrow cases in which it's being used the most? That doesn't seem... wise, from a gameplay design standpoint.
I'm chill with the other circles but this one is contentious because I already have a hard enough time setting up this circle to justify its DPS-output cost. Especially in the case of Eidolon runs, which require incredible amounts of mobility for damage-output classes. The 3-pt adv might help with that a bit I guess, but already 3-seconds before despawning was way too short to keep this thing up inbetween times I needed to dodge attacks.
lessseee what these costume parts look like now.
That Egyptian halo needs to be optional and as a top accessory, I'm sure it won't happen but the piece is lacking with it.
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Circle of Primal Dominion, the Defensive circle, typically was the most appealing of the four due to how little a tank is required to move in endgame encounters. It becomes a "set and forget" ability. This may have more to do with how encounters are designed than with the circle itself, but the way I felt about circles is that they feel like limitations more than enhancements in standard content, where mobility can be taken advantage of.
Circle of Arcane Power being set up as a power to replace Energy Unlocks in this current stage is fair considering its relative power. It's the easiest circle to use since it takes little time to bring up and replace when on the go. Bringing other circles up to speed would be great, even if they lost some of their relative power for it. I have no concerns with this power.
Circle of Ebon Wrath is... despite being an Offensive circle, not very beneficial to a DPS. Even with its 30% damage strength, it doesn't really feel like I'm doing more damage while in it. This could be wildly different if used on a tank or a healer to help bring up damage perhaps due to how "all damage strength" works, but the huge downside in having reduced healing received sorta shuts down my desire to use the circle in any situation whatsoever. That, and I don't like the wording of the healing reduction on the power either.
Circle of Radiant Glory can sometimes have a use for the self-rez portion of the power, but as the "Support" circle it doesn't really like being supportive. I get that bringing yourself back is very powerful and all, but using the circle as a healing tool feels silly at times, particularly because it doesn't feel like a healing or generally supportive power.
To be clear though, the relative strength of the circles is fine with these changes. I just wonder if there can be more done to make them more... interactive?
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For Circle of Primal Dominion, I would reduce the casting time, make it on par with Circle of Arcane Power. The 3-point advantage could instead enlarge the Circle's area and share its strength with allies standing in it. Non-stackable, of course.
Circle of Ebon Wrath could do with the same treatment, though I am unsure what to do about how lackluster it feels as a damage-boosting power. Perhaps replacing the "all damage strength" with an effect like AoED's Black Lightning? Also, maybe do something about the healing reduction. Likewise, just as I suggested with CoPD, use the 3-point advantage to increase the area and share the bonus of the circle with allies.
Circle of Radiant Glory, I'd like to rework this power a bit more heavily. Make it a general Revival circle. If an ally hero or the user dies inside of it, the Circle would automatically revive them. Ranks would reduce cooldown time/increase health revived to. Overlapping circles could consume all of them if a single hero is revived in the area, or just not allow more than one Circle of Radiant Glory in the location. It wouldn't heal when replaced, at least not naturally. Adding a 3-point advantage on it so the power could heal when the circle moves is probably what I'd like to see.
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I would hope a retcon is coming with these changes? Because +18 energy isn't going to cut it. Especially when your EU is cut out also.
When we say under the hood, it generally means we did something that changed how these powers are structured. Typically this is done for organizational purposes or to prevent a case where changing a unrelated power could change the effect of another power. Stuff like that. It gets mentioned in patch notes because it could cause problems with the affected power, and we want players to keep an eye out.
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- Healing to self/allies as a rule
- Healing from heal patches
- Healing from advantages on attack powers such as Work Up/Stim Pack
- Healing self/others from Sentinel Mastery
- Dependency, especially since the Darkness set revamp
Some specific things also:
- Mind Break's stack detonation
- Arbiter Mastery healing self/others on completing a combo
- Bio Shielding, Life Essence, Life Drain
Suggestion: Give Compassion the ability to also gain stacks from the application of healing-based buffs and debuffs, such as Illumination (the player buff), Illuminated (the foe debuff), Dependency, Light Everlasting, etc. Or just via the debuffs (Illuminated, Dependency) if preventing out-of-combat stacking is important.
This will allow it to reliably stack (just like every other form in the game) if the tank is "too good" or if a fellow healer is making things difficult.
I don't think "reducing damage and healing output" is a very good approach to this since it's going to be used as a dps power, likely as as replacement for Circle of Infinite Energy. Why not split the penalty imposed by dark transfusion? As in, Dark Transfusion reduces your incoming healing (a pretty severe penalty if you lack life drains, in and of itself) while Power Conversion can "convert" life into energy--also a notable drawback if you don't have a healer handy or if they're focused elsewhere. Also, advantages to reduce these penalties would be hard to argue with. (In this case, the "penalty" becomes spent advantage points and a power slot)
Oh yeah! While we're looking at Dark Transfusion, it'd be great if the over-the-top visual effects could be removed or toned down somewhat.
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On another note, yaay circle curbstomping. Burn! Although I have to point out that ebon circle is already pretty bad and probably doesn't need any adjustments. Also, "Advanced Casting" (the 3 point extend-the-duration-while-not-in-it advantage, is absolutely not worth 3 points, or even 2. Increasing the grace period from 2 to 10 seconds is a pretty minor increase as it stands. I'd recommend either increasing the decay grace period to 30 seconds minimum, or lowering the advantage point cost to 1. An increase of 2 to 10 seconds on something that has become less vital overall really isn't worth anything more than that.
I agree in regards to previous statements about the Roman bracers. There's a trim that should take up one of the color channels. I wish it looked more like the roman shin guards, as those look really, really nice, but that would be a much more involved redesign so I can imagine that won't be happening.
What are the costume themes for the Circus Malvanum? Is it just gladiator pieces? I think y'all could open it up to new alien pieces as well.
The increase in recharge times makes choosing this circle to increase threat for tanking sub-optimal.
For a tank to have the tradeoff of their buffs, ADs, and heals take 20-24% longer to recharge in exchange for a 10-12% increase in threat nets maybe a 5% increase in threat (?) if any at all.
For that power point +4 or 5 adv points, it'd be easy to pick a power that would increase threat by 5% and not have to increase cooldowns on everything in your power tray that has a timer... active offense, active defense, ultimate, any heals... etc.
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I agree with people here, the advantage on circles is *not* worth 3 points it should be 1, not to mention we're already lacking adv points specially on tanks because we need so many other things, its very hard to spare just for that, we don't really have a lot of advantage points.
I mean in this game you get VERY easily knocked and repel'd etc a sneeze moves u out and this will make circles not worth investing in.
I mean look at catastrophic pummeling and how almost no one uses it cuz of similiar issues with self root, knocks, repels, etc.
Secondly, the knock resistance on primal should stay as it was. Many tanks that aren't strength based (More so dodge tanks who need to invest heavily on dex, while having a bit of con, and some rec for energy because of lack of cost discount on their spec tree like str has.) And need the circle so they dont get knock spammed constantly by every force geyser Teleios Ascendant gravitar dishes out even while blocking. Or every other grond punch. etc. will suffer after this change, they have no room to invest in str because of the other things they are required to have, lots of con, a ranged tank with ego..or dex on dodge tanks.. and while the parkour mods do grant knock resist and dodge you lose a significant percentage of dodge if you use them instead of gamblers even on high ranks. A percentage you heavily need because even a lack in 1% will screw you over eventually.
Thirdly, a lot of builds, like PA could barely handle, even with circle, EU and a energy stat. This certainly feels like an unnecessary nerf.
Fourth, liked the bug fixes, and like the idea of circle reviving others too. (Though if it is used to rez others it shoudnt have a cd, as opposed to when it rez u)
Lastly, i think most heals are having problems with compassion stacking, ive seen issues with iniquity, life eesence, arcane vitality, etc. Where you heal someone for nearly most of their health when they are hurt and you still dont gain stacks, this is a new-ish issue, has been happening recently.
Edit: since were looking into EU's how about the fact people running tk reverb (on Live server not pts) can deal with little to no rec, thus being able to invest in con or str.
But other EU's seem or feel to be very lacking energy wise and need something else to back you up, dragon rush, an energy stat, etc.
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@kaizerin - I don't suppose that while you're working on Energy Unlocks there is any possibility of adding one based on Knocks?
If you haven't done more changes than those mentionned here, then some healing powers doesn't stack compassion everytime they should. For my part, i'll mention lifedrain, rebuke and arcane vitality, and assure it is NOT a "no stacking because full health" problem. I add the problem seems to not be constant (some times it procs, some time it does not, even if cooldown is under 16 seconds), but is a significative nuisance, especially when cumulated with the other changes.
Several other players mentionned that problem.
Pretty much agree with that. And i'll add shield powers to the list of buffs that should proc on application (while in combat)
Since you devs seems to try to "balance" things, i would like to know if you do not see a lack of coherence in "Manipulator" and "Enrage" proccing on attempt, and Compassion proccing only on effective heals.
WARNING: i do not pretend manipulator and enrage must be nerfed to proc only on effective crowd control / knock; indeed, some mobs/ boss CANNOT be knocked or crowd controlled and defenses against these effects can be generated by other players, so proccing on attempt is Perfectly COHERENT and JUSTIFIED.
My question is just why "compassion" does not get the same kind of logic knowing that some circonstancies allow situations where no targets can be healed ?
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Circle of Radiant Glory should rez you, no matter your body's position to it, as long as the circle was still around when you were defeated.
This makes sense as you could move around and tap the power to reset a new circle (if one was already up) in a new location. Plus, that gave out a small AoE heal.
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3 points advs for a mundane effect? That's disgusting
Unless 2 or 3 more effects are part of this adv this is just a rip off
Last time I checked nobody wanted to use this circle because of all the drawbacks and the damage layer
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Bug: Circle powers are listed as Enchantments, but don't seem to be able to proc Spellcaster.
Bug: Rapid/Quick Recovery in Str, End, and Rec PSS don't appear to be working at all. (also: Con's Quick Healing is only working in combat, and I'm unsure if that's intended)
Bug?: Sigils of Radiant Sanctuary, Healing Runes, Con PSS's Quick Healing, and Electric Form's heal can still passively proc Compassion with their healing. (I assume they aren't supposed to now, judging by CoPD's heal, Regen, Shadow Form's shadowfeast etc. not working, but I could be mistaken) Bug: Dark Transfusion is also doing this.
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Yes, I've had lots of times where compassion doesn't stack when I just spam iniquity on a tank. If I wait for their health to drop more so iniquity doesn't overheal it generally works.
I really, really want it clarified whether Compassion is going to produce stacks on self healing or not.
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Not a valid option for dodge tanks who need to use dodge gear, sadly.
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It's already changed on Live and I had not checked how it is worded on PTS right now, tbh the change should be reverted from Live until it's a little more baked than it currently is.
I am totally happy to see alternative statting strategies rewarded but yeah, tying Smoldering strictly to Rec was really inexplicable. It should have been Pre or Rec.
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Geez, for such a minor change to powers that don't really matter there sure is a lot of uproar. Far as I can tell these changes won't really change anything in any meaningful way. CoRG still functionally serves as a 2nd self-rez, so I'll keep that on my healer. CoPD is still just for tanks that want to fight other tanks for main aggro, so just as little interest as before ( which means I guess my tanks that weren't STR-based melee before the change still won't be? ). CoEW still isn't worth it for the 5% damage increase...well oddly enough the new 3 pt advantage might make it a bit more interesting for certain builds. CoAP will still be used by the same builds using it now. *shrug* I'm fine with this.
Compassion changes shouldn't be a problem for any actual healers, other than bugged heals which will of course get fixed. There's really no reason to add more sources of stacking since healers are gonna heal, and if you can't heal enough to keep your form stacked then you're in a situation where you don't need to heal at full power anyway. I bet they're going to add more healing forms like the Fire one, which let you stack offensively hence getting around that issue entirely, which really is the better solution. Players should start getting on board with the new and stop clinging to the old.
Nice to see that Ebon Ruin's cost was too high, seemed a bit tough to spam reliably.
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Well, in fairness I also feel that the KB resist mods should be better than they are. It's one of those things that feels like it should have multiple routes.
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