test content
Logo
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc
Options
Cosmics Pass Needed
roughbearmattach
Posts: 4,784 Arc User
The three monsters, Teleiosaurus, Kigatilik, and Qwijybo, have become fairly routine to beat.
In fact, they can be beaten so fast (dino and ape in 5 minutes) that some folks don't even get credit (especially side/baby tanks, CCer on ape).
Think it's time they had another pass.
In fact, they can be beaten so fast (dino and ape in 5 minutes) that some folks don't even get credit (especially side/baby tanks, CCer on ape).
Think it's time they had another pass.
___________________________________________________________
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
Post edited by roughbearmattach on
0
Comments
Cosmics were reworked to be made challenging and at the same time more accessable. They are not meant to be only for select groups of elitists. Sure some people can make cosmic fights more trivial than intended, but to make them more challenging than they currently are would only serve to make them only accessable by those few people.
My point still stands, though. Cosmics can now be completed at such speed that baby tank (and baby tank healer), side/auxillary tanks, and hearts CCer sometimes don't get credit. Those of us who don't always bring DPS need to be considered. It already can be a hassle to get someone to take these roles. With uncertainty about mission credit, it isn't very appealing.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
A lot of merit indeed.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
For the record, though I am a vet player, I am not an Elite, and not much of a min/maxer. I'd go as far to say that, while I know lots about the game, builds, and the Cosmics, I am not really so great in actual gameplay. Poor attention and poor reflexes will do that. I still think Cosmics need another pass.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
I've been in enough cosmic fights to know that it takes waaaaay more than 5 mins to complete the fight. This whole "Only 5 mins" thing comes off as the occasional exception compared to a more frequent norm. The cosmics are fairly routine to beat. They're not fairly routine to beat at just 5 mins.
Also if you've logged in at the wrong time and just missed a cosmic fight while seeing a fresh 2 hour timer, that's really no one else's fault but yours, and it's hardly any indication that it's because the fight lasted 5 mins.
I'm sick of open world cosmics, i find them a lazy excuse for endgame
and Honestly just focusing on making those SPECIFIC bosses stronger over and over again it's just pitiful
You know what I want more? MORE EPIC LAIRS, instead of forcing 30-50+ strangers working together
So take DEV's time and focus on THAT along with Bug fixes and Quality of Life improvements
and you know what, consider yourself lucky you got a cosmic PUG where everything Melted, because most of the time I see 2-3 hours attempt and sheer stupidity
P.S Only Eidolon and the stupid OMs need to be revamped, the OM changed killed my interest for farming GCR
His Voice files are in the game but they are not even been used
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
I guess one solution is to just have a troll show up for each run; that sure adds difficulty
Personally, I'd still rather see more though put in to making them look more like free wheeling super hero battles, rather than a mosh pit or rugby scrum. Only ape really has the right feel to it (at least to me). I always laugh at the huge Eido arena compared to the tiny little area into which all the heroes need to squash themselves in order to counter the mechanics there.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
The game has plenty of stuff where success is guaranteed, or nearly so. Again, I say this as someone who does get frustrated when a run fails, as someone who isn't even a great player. Autowin content (like event missions, Alerts, and most Rampage runs) already exists, and more will be made for each server wide event.
Cosmics need to be maintained as a renewable challenge. Mind you--doesn't always have to be harder. New mechanics would be "going sideways", rather than up, and would accomplish the same effect.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
This assertion that they're "auto-win" fights seems to stem from the assumption that perfect combinations of players with elite builds is always around to make the fight end flawlessly each time, which they don't. Success is never a guaranteed thing with Cosmics in their current states. Well-built groups still fail. People still get punished from making mistakes, which more often than not means an instant face-plant or eventual wipe.
It isn't.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
As for not constantly raising the bar . . . the devs have specifically stated that Cosmics would be "evergreen". They were put out with the design intent of periodic changes in mechanics and difficulty.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
Basically, they wanted to avoid putting out content that only the most elite of players could handle; they wanted to put out stuff that everyone could handle, and then slowly crank it up from there so that everyone could get used to things over time and participate in every stage of development. Chew on that.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
Oh, and the fact that as a FF you can do really a build that suits you
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
If cosmics are dying quickly and with lots of player participation, then that should tell you that they are accessable to a wide variety of builds, unlike the Q-zone. Most people gravitate towards what is accessable and generally avoid grueling and punishing content.
Sure Cryptic could make Cosmics that have all the same sorts of mechanics as many of the high level raid bosses from WoW and SWtOR but if they did that then they wouldn't be building for the masses. A massive number of builds and players would simply be unable to participate due to their builds being to weak for the content or having absolutely nothing to contribute. And any good dev would want to avoid that.
As for QWZ, any build can survive there - they just need to grab a buddy or two. Sure, the more skilled players can solo there but it's not really a requirement to do so. The real reason that the QWZ is largely empty is because SCR and GCR were beginning to be much easier to get from Cosmics around the time the QWZ came out, and have only become easier and easier to get. We are in fact now in a situation where tokens are so easy to get from Cosmics alone that people don't have to bother with anything else. That's kind of a bad thing when they're in the process of trying to diversify our endgame content.
No, that means they're too easy. People gravitate to the easiest way to get what they want - if this means that they are focusing on a particular type of content and avoiding all others, then that's a bad thing.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
WoW's mechanics aren't necessarily harder than the mechanics of CO bosses. Some are, but others aren't. What matters more is the quality of the mechanics. Let me try to elaborate what I mean by that:
Boss mechanics are as much about presentation and theme as they are about challenging the players. Rewinding back a few expansions to the end of Mists of Pandaria, Garrosh Hellscream was the last boss of that expansion. He was an orcish warlord possessed by the Heart of Y'Shaarj--the remains of a dark, evil, maddening entity - kinda like Cthulhu & friends. Over the course of the fight, he'd start off as your typical angry orc with big weapons to throw at players. Periodically, he'd call for reinforcements and roll massive spiked balls of fiery death across the battlefield to crush players who didn't move out of the way. As the fight progressed, he'd become more and more possessed and his attacks would visibly indicate that.
Note that it's old content now, so people can solo it, but that wasn't obviously the case when it was current. Note the mechanics though, even though not all of them show since there's only 1 person: You can't normally just sit through the phase-out parts, and the last phase normally has adds that mind control players. The point is the mechanics tie in with the boss's theme, as well as how he transforms throughout the fight, extremely well.
They also really challenge the player to react differently, beyond just "block this" or "dps/cc that." Here's what I mean:
First phase: The Iron Stars (big balls of rolling death, not the theoretical cosmic phenomenon) have to be avoided, the adds, in addition to just needing to die, also need to be interrupted before they heal him (Farseers) while the weapons will leave a large swirly damage patch on the ground that shrinks as they lose health until they're killed. Note that the player can use the Iron Stars to kill the adds. In fact, that's part of the design.
Second Phase: As the maddening corruption from the Heart of Y'Shaarj begins to set in, his attacks become "darker" I guess you could say. I recall the shadowy whirl thing also summoning mind controlling adds, but maybe it didn't because the player left a Farseer alive throughout the fight, or because they were alone. Also, he starts hauling you off to a sort of nightmare vision area. Normally you have to clear your way through it, but maybe that can be cheesed on a solo run too.
Third Phase: By now, you can see he's become pretty corrupted. This phase intensifies all of his previous attacks (the purple swirly weapons can no longer be fully killed (so the player has to place them strategically) and the mind control adds (which again, the player managed to cheese) are much tougher and require more attention.
Point being, mechanics like that are what make wow encounters so far ahead of CO's. Even Eidolon, which people seem to regard as the best of the cosmics, can be summed up as "kill adds (stack to make them show up closer to everyone), don't stand in the bad, and block when the obligatory PBAoE wireframe pops up." Or something like that.
TL;DR: Mechanics should help illustrate a boss's theme as well as challenge the player to do different things besides just "block, kill (or cc) adds, and don't stand in bad."
When it comes to the traditoinal Tanks, DPS, and Healers, a taditional class based MMO has each role balanced to a hard standard. The defense of a Tank is limited and balanced with their damge output to insure there is no such thin as a "super tank". The damage of a DPS is limited to insure that enemies don't die too fast and arn't unkillable by non-DPS. The healing of Healers is restricted to insure that Tanks and DPS must remain active in their own survival and not rely 100% on the healers to keep them alive.
In a Freeform situation the traditional Tank, DPS, and Healer roles lose all of the balance that goes into their class based counter parts. Not only are Super Tanks possible as tanks in a Freeform system but so are "Fake Tanks" (AKA, DPS in Tank Role). DPS can do damage on both extreme ends of the spectrum making it difficult to design challenging enemies. Healers can carry teams through most any damage with little or no action from the Tank or DPS.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.