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-Lockboxes aren't dropping. Why? Will they drop? When? FIXED
-Drifter Auras are Bind to Character, not account. WHY?
-No free retcon despite major cdr nerf.
- Onslaught villains can attack heroes who haven't attacked them
- No indication which onslaught villains you've attacked (which would be handy if the above ever got fixed)
- Major onslaught siting right in the 6-10 level area. Combined with above, means new players just get murdered while trying to do quests. There are areas of west side that are close to unused - why is the onslaught guy not in one of those rather than right next to all the purple gang quests and spawn point?
- Gravitar's pull-in power makes me nauseous. It managed to be 10x worse than what the rampage gravitar does on spinning you around and much stronger too. (As an onslaught villain, the vehicle power that does something similar - gravity pulse - is also making me nauseous).
- Onslaught villains are way too mobile, can pretty much run around kiting and make it impossible to kill them in time, and means you're required to have flight to bother with fighting them. (Also: more melee hate, because apparently you have to feel bad for choosing to play melee in every gameplay option.)
- Relatedly, Onslaught villains seemingly immune to most control powers, because why would we want manipulator characters bothering to play this content. (Not that there are many of them, because they're ineffective in pretty much all content. Can we stop hating on controllers and let them actually play the game and contribute?)
- Some kind of onslaught villain bug where some players are managing to use devices. I've seen an almost dead onslaught villain heal to full in an instant, and an onslaught villain running around with Teleiosaurs. Also, superspeed continues to work if the hero had it active before becoming a villain. (This last is a general become problem)
- Onslaught targets deal way too much damage (vastly more than players) and respawn timers are way too long.
- Onslaught targets only show up when you're near them, meaning you can generally only see one from any point. Combined with long respawn timers, makes it a pain to complete the villain quest
- Villain power dynamics only seem to work when using them on players, makes it impossible to get a feel for how they play by attacking NPCs. You know, before putting yourself in the middle of 30 players all looking to kill you.
- Villains being able to target bad guy mobs makes it really annoying to target players in a lot of circumstances. Can the onslaught becomes lock tab targeting to players only?
- Onslaught tokens are bound to character and yet are items and not currencies for some unfathomable reason. WHY?
- Unlocking onslaught villains is character specific (!!!), at least with lockbox item. (According to people who've used them)
Edit: Updated. And seriously, what's with the bind-to-character obsession with items that either have traditionally bound to account or would make more sense bound to account.
-Drifter Auras are Bind to Character, not account. WHY?
-No free retcon despite major cdr nerf.
- Onslaught villains can attack heroes who haven't attacked them
- No indication which onslaught villains you've attacked (which would be handy if the above ever got fixed)
- Major onslaught siting right in the 6-10 level area. Combined with above, means new players just get murdered while trying to do quests. There are areas of west side that are close to unused - why is the onslaught guy not in one of those rather than right next to all the purple gang quests and spawn point?
- Gravitar's pull-in power makes me nauseous. It managed to be 10x worse than what the rampage gravitar does on spinning you around and much stronger too. (As an onslaught villain, the vehicle power that does something similar - gravity pulse - is also making me nauseous).
- Onslaught villains are way too mobile, can pretty much run around kiting and make it impossible to kill them in time, and means you're required to have flight to bother with fighting them. (Also: more melee hate, because apparently you have to feel bad for choosing to play melee in every gameplay option.)
- Relatedly, Onslaught villains seemingly immune to most control powers, because why would we want manipulator characters bothering to play this content. (Not that there are many of them, because they're ineffective in pretty much all content. Can we stop hating on controllers and let them actually play the game and contribute?)
- Some kind of onslaught villain bug where some players are managing to use devices. I've seen an almost dead onslaught villain heal to full in an instant, and an onslaught villain running around with Teleiosaurs. Also, superspeed continues to work if the hero had it active before becoming a villain. (This last is a general become problem)
- Onslaught targets deal way too much damage (vastly more than players) and respawn timers are way too long.
- Onslaught targets only show up when you're near them, meaning you can generally only see one from any point. Combined with long respawn timers, makes it a pain to complete the villain quest
- Villain power dynamics only seem to work when using them on players, makes it impossible to get a feel for how they play by attacking NPCs. You know, before putting yourself in the middle of 30 players all looking to kill you.
- Villains being able to target bad guy mobs makes it really annoying to target players in a lot of circumstances. Can the onslaught becomes lock tab targeting to players only?
- Onslaught tokens are bound to character and yet are items and not currencies for some unfathomable reason. WHY?
- Unlocking onslaught villains is character specific (!!!), at least with lockbox item. (According to people who've used them)
Edit: Updated. And seriously, what's with the bind-to-character obsession with items that either have traditionally bound to account or would make more sense bound to account.
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Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
If you are flagged, which is easy to see as it is a 3 minute debuff, you can be attacked. Plain and simple. You can only be flagged if you attack an Onslaught villain or heal someone that is currently flagged. There is no, if you attack one none of the others can't engage you. You attack or heal, you're flagged.
See above. If they don't attack then this has no affect on them. No they can't be just attacked by a random onslaught villain. I stood in the radius of several attacks while unflagged and was never hit.
I've never felt hated as melee.
Yes, because making the onslaught villains a joke by chain stunning them is the better option. And manipulator isn't a joke because they are ineffective in content. Manipulator is a joke because they aren't needed due to the ridiculous damage right now.
What? They are super villains. They need to be dangerous. Especially since they can't block. And how is 0 seconds too long on respawn?
There is a beam of light from the sky that points down to an active onslaught villain. And again what long respawn timer?
I don't get this complaint.
Bad guys attack each other. There is no universal villains are working mutually in any medium.
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There are some bugged powers and such that flag you for Onslaught combat even if you didn't actively hit a villain. These are a problem and it needs to be fixed.
Villains can attack on the move, and often disable travel powers on Heroes. They can jump very high and far while in combat. If you're fighting a very jumpy Villain, chances are full melee players will only hit the Villain like 1/10th of the time that ranged can hit them. If you have a villain being nice and just standing still for you, yeah melee is fine.
He said Onslaught TARGETS. The ones you need to hit for the daily mission. These guys hit very hard, so the only real tactic to use against them is stand back and snipe and hope the guy doesn't reset. And you often have to do this while getting beat on by thirty dudes. And once they're beat, they're gone for a LONG time. They do not respawn in zero seconds.
Again, TARGETS. Although this is a moot point, they all show up on the minimap. But there should be more of them and the respawn timers on them should me much shorter.
The problem is that they get in the way while tab targeting. It's like trying to fight someone using a couple dozen pets. You don't care about killing the pets, you ONLY want to target the guy you're fighting. Having to hit tab a bunch of times or clicking on the guy you wanna hit can be a pain.
Keep it up OP
If you are flagged, which is easy to see as it is a 3 minute debuff, you can be attacked. Plain and simple. You can only be flagged if you attack an Onslaught villain or heal someone that is currently flagged. There is no, if you attack one none of the others can't engage you. You attack or heal, you're flagged.
In addition to the problems with the flag triggering Biff mentions
1. Death does not clear the buff
2. The way I thought I heard it was that an onslaught villain would not be able to attack you unless you attacked them. Not attacked any onslaught villain.
3. Pretty sure i've walked up to a player who didn't have the flag and gave it to them by attacking them as a villain. I could be mistaken, of course, but they certainly weren't actively fighting any.
4. So, a new player with an AoE power who's trying to complete quests has an onslaught villain just *walk by* the mob he's attacking, and he's eligible for all onslaught villains to come beat him up? Sounds fair...
5. Gravitar's get closer channel seems to affect all players, not just those actively fighting.
I'm not going to repeat Biff below either, consider this in addition to his points This of course misses the point that kiting with millions of hp is really dumb. Chain Stunning them up to 3x before they become immune? Oh noes? You act like there isn't a mechanism which triggers absolute immunity to control powers after only a few applications.
Being able to use control powers on them would stop them from kiting and let melee actually get some hits in. It would also make it more than 'throw damage on the big sacks of hp' because you could counter their power moves by stunning/paralyzing/etc.. them. Instead of only having advantaged ice cage to do that (one of the only control powers that works). What Biff said.
Also, typically only one target shows up on the minimap at a time (ones far from you don't show up until you get close). So unless you're going to go map them all out and memorize their locations, you don't have any idea where they are. Should put *all of them* on the minimap regardless of distance. I want to figure out how to play gravitar, so i go beat up some npcs. But lo, i don't gain any stacks of whatever it is so i can unlock higher tier powers for use unless i attack players. I still have no idea how to play Gravitar, despite playing her once, because there's literally no way to practice. Sure, and i'd be happy to have to click on bad guy mobs if i want to attack them. But if i'm hitting tab to find a target, i'm looking for a *player* target. I don't want to scroll through half-a-dozen purple gang members to find the hero who's attacking me and jumping around like a kangaroo so i can't click on him. This isn't about working together, this is about (some) players intentionally making targeting obnoxious, and creating an inappropriate 'difficulty' by exploiting the game engine.
2. You heard wrong because it never was suppose to. If you flag, you are attackable by any onslaught villain.
3. Hyperbole is all and well but I've walked up to people who were flagged and stayed unflagged.
4. Sounds like a case of be careful what you are shooting at, it's not like, for instance, the purple gang is only in that secluded spot and they can't go anywhere else.
5. Doesn't affect me unless I am flagged. Again hyperbole is all and well, but there seems to be a counter to each of these points so far.
And to answer the Biff point, the "bugged" powers are the ones that heal others so yea, they need to be addressed.
Because Onslaught Villains aren't meant to be 1v1 fights with a single hero. Secondly since your CC immunity pops up there is a timer and I had no trouble keeping up with jumpy villains. Especially since villains have to stop and are rooted by using many of their powers.
Ha, yea how long does that immunity last? Oh yea, not long enough to make it worthwhile. Really I would buy that if the immunity was actually worth a spit and not something so trivially fleeting. And I am not saying this because I play villain, I am saying this as I was busy fighting them. I saw what multiple chain stunning could do it neutered and pretty much rendered an onslaught villain worthless on test.
I dunno where you get this from. I can, without having turne don Onslaught now, look on the minimap and see all the onslaught targets. I can also see all three stores.
I will reiterate, I don't get this complaint. Instead of going to PvP or maybe reading the powers you just want to PvE with them.
I will have to say it's generally the villains doing it themselves by jumping into a group of a bunch of purple gangers. And in that scenario shouldn't the reverse be true that the heroes should only need to be able to target the onslaught villain then when they do jump into a bunch of purple gangers? Or are you only wanting this a one way street because of some perceived unfairness?
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And the vendor is virtually on top of the purple gang intimidating restauranteurs, which only can be done in that one place. (Not to mention right next to Kodiak, who is the contact for all the early missions). They literally could not have chosen a worse place to put the vendor.
And again, new players, they don't know where purple gang is - why should they have to go searching for purple gang that won't get them annihilated by virtually involuntary pvp.
Seriously, imagine you're a new player who doesn't know *anything* about the game except you've played the tutorial and Defender just sent you to Kodiak. Is getting smashed by level 40 players pvping you and then spawncamping you for 3 minutes really what you want their first post-tutorial experience to be? I would have quit the game. And when the Onslaught villain goes hopping from building to building, you get those ridiculous 1v1 or 2v1 fights, because most people can't keep up. It's seriously difficult to run down a villain who is kiting without a vehicle, and then you can't slow them down *at all*, so the moment you land an attack, they start getting away from you again because they're faster than the combat-speed of flight or vehicles *even without their travel power!* (Seriously, chasing fleeing gravitars is one of the most aggravating things in the game). So maybe hold and knock resistance need to be looked at and made to last longer? That would be a far better solution than disabling all control for every fight you'd actually want to use it in. Blanket immunity is terrible game design - why have the powers in the first place? ... i only see onslaught targets (or socrates terminal 'i have a mission' exclamation points, or etc...,) within a certain radius on my minimap - everything else doesn't show. By minimap i mean the one in the upper right corner, not when i hit 'm' to open the Map. You don't understand people wanting to figure out how something works *in practice* before hopping straight into a confusing pvp-fest? Maybe we don't all learn the same as you. Did you ever think maybe the existence of testing rooms in the PH was geared towards exactly that kind of learning?
I read the tooltips, they're terribly uninformative. Gravitar's first two powers don't say anything about how they give stacks as i recall, and trying to figure out power rotations is not something you can do just by reading tooltips. There is zero reason for an Onslaught villain to want to target most NPCs, so giving them options to avoid doing so when trying to find targets is good design. (Count the Onslaught target robot as a player for these purposes if it makes sense, although i can't imagine a OVillain trying to fight a target and players at the same time, and could just click for that limited purpose - that's literally the only time an OVillain will want to target NPCs).
Hero players, otoh, do have reason to want to target regular mobs, so it would be bad design to strip that from them. Maybe make it a bindable option to limit targets to enemy players so they can activate it if they want to.
Acquiring a target *that you want* should not be something the game makes excessively difficult for you to do. It should be making it as easy as possible.
And I've had a pretty damn fun time doing it with zero performance pressure that way, since with the daily mission done, my success is done.. and I don't even care if I do well or defeat a bunch of or even if I defeat any heroes.
Really, as long as there are low pop instances of MC to knock out the dailies vs NPCs in, this may be the very best form of PvP I've ever encountered. Hell, even if a few heroes show up to try to ruin my rampage, I have millions of health for them to chew through. I can almost literally ignore them while I make my way around and complete my goal of taking out three NPCs. After that, who cares if they get a defeat on me, and I may just get a few bonus VT for it.
New players who don't want to participate, or in general any players who don't want to participate shouldn't have to. Making it easily possible to get them flagged on accident shouldn't happen.
For this reason the location of the agent is very very badly picked. New players are the most likely to make a mistake and attack something they see on accident without realizing it has anything to do with PvP. Keeping that agent far away from the very starter missions should be obvious, everything else just encourages griefers and people who get their fix by harassing other players. There are more than enough morons who would follow a new player around sitting on their target just waiting for them to use an AoE.
On top of that lower leveled players are unlikely to benefit from the Onslaught Quests anyways, they are just fodder for the villains relying on other players to get the villain down.
I also strongly agree that the tooltips and explanation for the villain powers are totally confusing and broken.
When i played medusa and wanted to know what a power does, it didn't even show me a tooltip when hovering over the ability. I didn't figure it out in the full fight and only realized how it worked after looking it up afterwards.
If theres no tutorial or better explanation beforehand, at least make sure the tooltips are not broken and actually show a good description.
In regards to the whole control powers, thats more of a general CO problem. The whole CC system needs a major overhaul in my opinion. That said, it might work well if every stun/cc/control power would give a villain a not resistable 10 second timer on disabling all their travel powers and reducing their movement speed/jump height by a good portion, like 70%
These villains have their high health values for a reason, running away and kiting shouldn't really be the main focus of these fights anyways.
I don't believe that Cryptic/PWE wants to spend the human ressources to get more people on the development team. To overhaul anything at all it would need coders who actually do that. Over the last years all I've seen is a reworking of the existing things, and any overhaul is very unlikely to ever happen. it's more likely to see a totally new superhero game than it is for us to see any major updates. .. and yes thats a totally subjective and perhaps pessimistic view on things. Let me know in a year if I was wrong, I doubt it.
No lockboxes are dropping.
No retcon for major supestat change--it's been suggested retcon tokens are coming.
Some passives and other abilities (area heals) are flagging players unexpectedly.
I have also see players benefit from devices while transformed, particularly dinos.
The way tokens are bound, earned, and spent is inane. I want the new powers, and I have to pick a single toon to farm Onslaught for ages to get each one.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
I take this quote from a review that I agree with.
"customisation is so linear; everyone is after the optimal dps:survivability ratio with 0 reliance on other players = autonomous gameplay... Players don't need each other anymore... which in my opinion is a bad thing."
No new launch of anything in an mmo is perfect. Becuase how something acts on test and what happens when it hits the chaotic real world is anyone's guess. Usually the first week of something new is buggy and a little confusing.
That being said, I find the problems mentioned to not be all that terrible and I'm betting they will be resolved.
As for kiting and moving opponents - well welcome to PVP. Players are smarter than AI - so they will attempt to escape or break the group up into smaller numbers. It makes perfect sense.
Allowing CC to work was terrible for the villains. You'd get all your fun powers interrupted and put on cooldown. Not fun at all.
To "learn" Gravitar, did you read up on how her attacks work? While you're at the vendor, you can get a quick rundown of what to do when playing any of the villains. It doesn't beat real testing, but it's a start. And you shouldn't be shy about trying powers out on real people. I've seen over thirty people piled on a Gravitar and she didn't go down quickly. The villains are meant to last, and they do.
I take this quote from a review that I agree with.
"customisation is so linear; everyone is after the optimal dps:survivability ratio with 0 reliance on other players = autonomous gameplay... Players don't need each other anymore... which in my opinion is a bad thing."
I have also been killed by a Medusa while browsing a vendors goods. No way I had attacked an OV within 3 minutes of that.
And, clearly death should wipe any status flag you had. Killing newbs at the respawn point is probably not the kind of behavior we should reward!