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daimyon
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 49
I'm going to continue to post about this. I don't think you should be allowed to stealth in the middle of combat. Especially if you get caught off guard. If I get the jump on you because you are distracted or pre-occupied, you should NOT be able to hit a button and disappear when not only am I looking right at you, but I'm targeting you, or channeling a spell on you. It's the most annoying part about fighting TRs, they can just disappear and run away when they come up against someone who is more skilled, or gets the jump on them.
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Yeah, no. No amount of skill would make a rogue viable at anything if they removed the in combat stealth. This isn't WoW and will never be. Stop complaining that it isn't.
I'm not going to go into specific changes as they are many.
What they have done in a nut-shell however, is give people exactly what they asked for. Perma-stealth used to be actual Perma-Stealth. 100% uptime on Stealth, using Dailys, encounters and at-wills and able to <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> on people, or the very least contest a node all day long VS an entire team. This was obviously unfair, and even the best of TR's agreed that a change was necessary to bring back a lvl of skill to the game play of a TR.
Now, one single encounter will immediately bring the TR out of stealth. Yes, there are utility encounters(Shadow Strike, Bait n Switch) that will prolong the stealth, or refill the stealth meter. But those 2 utilities are just that..utilities. Shadow Strike does do dmg, but nothing to scream about, and Bait n Switch does 0 damage. In the Sab Tier there are feats that will allow TR's to re-enter stealth givin the prerequisites, but they are far from game breaking.
They also allow for tracking on a stealthed TR. Most new players are too caught up in the fast pace of NW PvP to even notice, but if you pay attention, you are able to see a TR if you have previously done damage to them, allowing you to track them, and use encounters or at-wills that require no target to activate, which in turn allows you to continue the fight.
They also have given specific sounds, and animations to every single encounter, at-will and daily for every single class in this game. You don't have to actually see the TR in order to avoid there encounters/at-wills/dailys, just pay attention to the sound.
I am guessing I have well over 15,000 kills by now on my TR, meaning I have a lot of time spent in PvP. Of those countless hours and hundreds of matches in PvP, I can literally count on one hand the times I have personally been killed by a TR using the one shot build. It is not because I am MR.Special and Awesome, or am some-how better then the average bear. I just pay attention to my surroundings and I know like the back of my hand the encounters/dailys/at-will sounds and animations of all the class's that are important to avoid.
I cant stress enough how important using a head set and listening to the in-game sounds are in PvP, for this very reason.
I don't like to say L2P, but just as it was on PC, the large majority of players gripes in this game are from lack of experience and understanding on what is actually happening. People are so quick to post a hate thread on the forums when they are killed in PvP, without having any idea what just happened to them.
I can tell you that the TR in this game...will never ever be "your" vision of what a Rogue should be. Either use the tools NW has given the players to combat them, or go find a different game.
GWF sprint isn't really that bad, we still take damage, what's really annoying about us is our unstoppable (40% resistance at max and immunity to CC). Or if your a sentinel spec 80% xD
I haven't even touched on the other issues that irritate me, like how going into stealth negates any ability used on them. If I hit a rogue with my grasping roots and he decides to go stealth, that shouldn't break roots, or allow him to go into stealth. I know exactly where he is. Even if he does stealth, I should still be able to see my roots holding him in place at LEAST. And lets not even get into their roll dodge being able to negate abilities after they land.
All I'm saying is, logically, if you are fighting someone, they are focused on you, and you shouldn't be able to just disappear in front of their eyes without some special ability. Maybe change Smoke Bomb to allow them to disappear instead of that annoying AoE daze that lasts 2 seconds even after you leave the area.
That's the WHOLE idea behind Trickster Rogue though. They are a very, easily defeated class regardless of how you build them. Their damage comes from stealth attacks like dazing strike and lashing blade, and if they become cornered in PvE situations, then they're S-O-L! You really have to stack up the defense/deflect with them. So imagine running into trouble and not having the rest of the party there to save you. Invisibility is really the only saving grace of the class. Most of their powers are just too weak without it for average players. They have low health and defense- they are the "thief" class after all- very common easily killed classes in MMOs.
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