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What is control bonus ? And is it worth increasing ?
irapeya
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I'm asking because i have extra 65% control bonus right now and i cant feel difference at all.
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Some classes have skill trees that have "control" effects. Especially CW and TR. They make the mob have behavior that isn't in the mobs best interests, like they attack other of their buddies, or they are stunned, or knocked prone or suspended in the air etc. They may run away in fear or "other" behavior that the player "controlled" the mobs actions.
The control "bonus" will either make the effect longer, or make the mobs resistance to the effect less. If the mob had a resistance or a saving roll the "bonus" made them less resistant. If it was a unresistable player skill, say a knock or prone or stun then the bonus "might" increase duration of the effect etc.
Control resist:
Is the stat used by a player over the normal saving throw you would get. Certain races/classes get increased control resist to x, y or z "control" effects. Some pets effect control resist, some skills do as well. For example a sylph (I think that's the pet name) adds a +50% control duration resistance. So if a mob would make you feared, or stunned etc. Having that pet active would cut that effect duration in half.
Go into Trade of Blades.
Use encounter powers on target dummy, with and without your control bonuses.
You will see the difference.
For CW, test with entangling force.
For HR, test with constricting arrow.
Will-o-Wisp has always been 25% control resist and 15% control bonus.
w/ 20% control bonus
freeze = 6 sec
steal time = 4 sec
without bonus
freeze 6sec
steal time 4sec
it's completely broken. surprise!
But since the effects are lasting but a few seconds, 20% bonus means nothing, especially on a mob/PC with control resistance - u would have to measure it in miliseconds, which may help in a 1v1 PvP situation, not as much during PvE. Also the "lags"/server-client responses are so bad nowadays its rly hard to measure it.
Am too lazy to, and never bothered myself to, rly test it, yet either heavily focus on control, or leave it and boost other stats instead.
it's not.
at all.
if there is any bonus whatever it's more down at like 2%
again, tested on the dummy and live mobs.
some live mobs "elites" seem to have a 50% control resist, meaning CC lasts only half as long (3 vs 6 sec for freeze etc)
but other mobs should be VERY easy to tell if 20% is working or not. 6 seconds tested, every time, it should be OVER 7.2 seconds with 20%+.. that's a 1.2 sec won't require an atomic clock to detect..
it's broken period.
Am not saying it works exactly like that, but its more likely than expecting 6 sec disable becoming 9 at 50% bnus (12 at 100%). And my quick test now on a dummy proves it works, ~55% bonus making like ~1,5 sec difference on freeze lasting ~5,5 sec otherwise.
PS: could do more testing, with OoI and other skills but, as i mentioned, am too lazy to; there sure are other fans all thrilled to do so (who most likely did already);
Yeah I wish they would add that as well.
As a pve CW, with 25% (upgraded Cantankerous Mage) + 15% (Will-of-the-Wisp) + 5% (Wisdom) + 10% (boon) + 15% (Valindra set) + 5% (from Valindra's Crown Shard control bonus), the control bonus is effective enough that I can walk around mobs while they are stunned from Steal Time or Frozen from Icy Terrain. My other CW has no bonuses (other than 5% Wisdom) and it's real obvious the difference.
A quick way to test is: slot no companions & no skill boosts/gear/boons on preview, go the Dread Ring dummies and cast Entangling force, the dummies appear to have no resistance, so just time how long the dummy hangs in the air. Re-slot all the boons/skills/companions and repeat the test, timing the durration. My numbers match my 70% boost fairly well.
Orb of Opposition is bugged, doesn't get the correct bonus if you are Oppressor. Also Shard of Endless Advance is bugged for the duration of the prone (long thread about this back in mod3 when the damage was nerfed on shard, the duration of the prone was supposed to be buffed, but doesn't work reliably).
Are these T2 mobs?
No, T2 mobs are fairly resistant. You have to test against mobs with 0% to get a base number then try mobs in WoD/IWD HE's (similar to T2's from what I can tell). On T2 mobs, I get barely enough time to cast the next spell (instead of dying).
20% of 6 seconds is 1.2 seconds. 6 + 1.2 = 7.2 seconds.
even counting 'thousand one, thousand two' the difference between 6 seconds and over 7 would be very obvious (except to PW coders, I guess)
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in general seems that only gear bonus has noticeable effect on some powers for HR. I do see effect on daze but not the roots. Roots are broken 100%.
Also Wis on testing from 15 to 22 (+7%) does not really give any noticeable to me
We do need devs to clarify all this mess
since most enemies in mod 6 are suuuuper (crowd) control resistant, i don't think it's worth increasing...
I had the same doubts. But then I went to a dummy and did some testing.
Without any control Entangling Force on Tab holds the dummy for about 5 seconds. With 55% control (Cantankerous Mage, Will o the Wisp and Class Feature) Entangling Force works for 7-8 seconds.
I also see that increase in time for Oppressing Force, Freeze, the stund from Steal Time and the Stun of Immolation (with the feat from Opressor tree). I'm not sure about the stun from Icy Rays, but that one is very short so it's entirely possible that I just can't sense it.
Also tried that with control effects of TR like Skullcracker and with control effects of GF. For both it worked the same.
+50% control bonus means +50% control time.
So you see, it actually works on CW and TR (can't say anything about other classes as I did not test it. But I believe it works for every class except HR whose control seems to be a bit buggy).
If you can't feel a difference while playing, then possibly thats because you don't have a good feeling for control. But that is ok. Just drop the increasing items and companions and change them for something you like more. I myself do without control bonus as only my freezing ability would profit, but I do so much damage that frozen opponents get unfrozen nearly instantly.
Where you can not use the same math is control resist. That works like the time bonus of professions. +100% Control resist means you uncontrol yourself with double speed, which means you arrive at your goal in half the time (-50% control uptime)
I hope that helps a bit.
if you ave 500 resist control 200% = 1000
you ave to grow your resist control then elwin battle double this effect
Ur reading comprehension sux. Ur ability to comprehend what others are saying sux. Either try harder, or just get used to dying without ever understanding a single sentence.
Well, this out of context troll note has a point?
both those first 2 sentences mean the same thing, my reading comprehension is just fine, it's your writing skills that severely lack.
how hard do you need to "try" to understand basic math?
6 x .2 = 1.2
6 + 1.2 = 7.2
see? that wasn't hard. hope that clears everything up for you. now GFY
Ive clearly explained it does not work like this. But i guess we r done here, bye.
No, you did not explain, you just said the math works like it does with professions, which seems to be based completely on assuptions and is wrong, because testing it on a dummy shows it. (Your math is only right with CC resist, and I explained why that is so)
If you still insist on your assumptions, please offer us some proof.
Only thing where you are correct is your argument of not being able to feel the difference while fighting mobs, because of strong CC resist.
Personally I have a cw with base stat boosts and percentage boosts. This is boosted by a build and skill choices which trigger control bonus effects frequently as well. He kills slow because other stats have been sacrificed but in some areas of the game mobs are frozen so much it's like fighting statues. Then I have other cw chars which hardly ever manage to control anything at all but I haven't designed them to because it doesn't make sense. Keeping one mob in a stranglehold a few seconds longer while the others are hitting you is a small improvement compared to having an entire group of mobs frozen into statues for the same amount of time for example.
Is boosting control bonus percent worth it? Depends on whether you've boosted the base stat, your build, whether the skills you use apply it, your preferred playing style and the situation you're in, and maybe more.
In short, 'It depends'.
At least ive tried, compared to all the BS all around posted.