test content
Logo
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc
Which class gets kicked the most?
santa724
Member Posts: 11 Arc User
There are already numerous threads *****ing about the kicking function, so I'll save any rant I may have on that front for an existing thread.
What I'm curious about is whether a particualr class gets kicked from epic dungeons more than the others. I have a theory on which class gets kicked the most, but I'd like to see how this plays out in a poll.
What do you think? Which class would you say gets kicked the most?
I think we all know devoted clerics shouldn't even be considered, so they won't make an appearance.
If you have a theory as to why one class is booted more than another, let's hear it.
I'm having a blast with this game when I'm not completely infuriated by it.
What I'm curious about is whether a particualr class gets kicked from epic dungeons more than the others. I have a theory on which class gets kicked the most, but I'd like to see how this plays out in a poll.
What do you think? Which class would you say gets kicked the most?
I think we all know devoted clerics shouldn't even be considered, so they won't make an appearance.
If you have a theory as to why one class is booted more than another, let's hear it.
I'm having a blast with this game when I'm not completely infuriated by it.
Post edited by santa724 on
0
Comments
Actually, against an equally geared TR (my friend), both of us have done enough research on a pure DPS build for both out classes, and I'm constantly out DPSing him by 3mil on my GWF.
The majority of kicks are due to lack of gearscore or competition over loot.
My Cleric has been kicked a few times. But, oddly enough, I've never been kicked with my rogue.
Somewhat agree. I'd say 65% of the time it's "Waiting for a healer", followed by 25% of "Waiting for tank", with the remaining 10% being attributed to gearscore or people just being ******s.
Still I think it's interesting to see which DPS class we think has a higher kick % than the others. ...and yes, this is my first mmo.
Awesome- my favorite answer.
...shoot... I did. (Thanks) Well- as I can't see a way to edit a poll, if you want to vote for a GF, just post GF and I'll count them up at the end.
So far it seems fairly even.
I feel its more 60% same class already in party, 30% healer, 10% tank from my playing experience.
I'm a cleric, but if I had to pick one class to roll with, it'd be ranger.
All rangers out there, make sure to take a gander at this: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?875931-Drisdhaun-AoE-PvE-Build
Join us brothers and sisters and distant relations and confused onlookers.
Join us in the shadows where we stand mostly vigilant... although slightly distracted by our inventories.
"In war, unqualified. In peace, disorganised. In death, mild irritation."
JOIN US.
Reasons why HRs are just flat out bad at dungeons:
1. Tons of bad HRs out there that don't know how to play their class.
2. Ranged damage generates higher threat per damage compared to melee and tank taunts. Resulting often times in the HR drawing aggro which causes either a) The HR to scamper around frantically trying to stay alive making it difficult to peel the mobs off of him and making the fight longer than it needs to be. b) dying, HRs are extremely squishy and a dead party member of ANY class has zero party effectiveness. c) Pulled aggro results in the DC having to focus heals on the HR, sometimes leaving the rest of the group vulnerable to spike damage.
3. There is quite simply, nothing an HR can do better than any other class. While HRs are extremely versatile in their abilities. Being so versatile makes them the proverbial, jack of all trades, master of none. AoE Damage? CWs, SWs, and GWFs do it better. CC? CWs and GFs do it better. Single target damage? TRs are the de facto single target DPSers, that is a TRs sole purpose in life, and if it isn't, you're doing it wrong. Healing? DCs and SWs do it better. Damage Mitigation? GFs and DCs do it better.
Now I tend to roll with guildies in premades of 3, 4, or 5 and I will say that in those instances in which we are running in a group of 3 or 44 and we get slotted with a rando HR. No, we aren't those jerks that'll kick just because the person chose a crappy dungeon class (HRs are PHENOMENAL PvPers and solo content runners). BUT, there is always a very audible grumble amongst all of the party members whenever we see we got slotted with an HR because we all know that due to the reasons mentioned above, that HRs simple presence is going to turn our typical 25 minute T2 dungeon run into a 40 minute run (with the exception of ePK, we can run a 3 man and drag an HRs corpse through that dungeon in 20 minutes regardless cause it's just so easy to do).
Now to the HRs out there, please don't take this as a personal attack. It's not intended to be that way and as with all MMORPGs, class balance fluxuates throughout the game's life. I'm just stating the facts.
I would say that behind HRs, it'd be a tie between SWs and GWFs getting kicked the second most. Mainly due to PUGs not understanding proper mob control to group things up nicely in an effort to make these classes reach peak performance. If done right though, these two classes will top the paingiver parse every. single. time. (and SWs can often top the healer parse if they're spec'd right).
Pup - Level 70 4.2k Buff/Debuff AC DC
XBL GT: TehPuppy
Basically that's what u're saying, fun fact is that as a sw that never get beaten by any class at dungeon dps'ing ( thx TT ), the rarely times i get outdps'ed is by HRs, its the best aoe dps class if built/played correctly just incase you didnt know
A good Ranger will out DPS the rest of the group. Not out-damage any one person, but I mean out DPS the rest of the group COMBINED.
The right set of powers and feats, and they can gather and dispatch entire mobs while wizards and warlocks are still warming up.
In most cases I'd rather have a ranger than a tank. The tank will gather mobs... the ranger will gather them, bind them and obliterate them.
Join us brothers and sisters and distant relations and confused onlookers.
Join us in the shadows where we stand mostly vigilant... although slightly distracted by our inventories.
"In war, unqualified. In peace, disorganised. In death, mild irritation."
JOIN US.
I imagine these instances are in PUGs? Cause that would explain why an HR can outDPS anything other than a GF and DC. A group that plays and groups things together properly, yeah... no. SOrry but you're wrong. GWFs are AoE kings closely followed by CWs and SWs but ONLY if you're group pulls and groups up inside the DCs yellow circle of happiness. And beyond how well they may even parse, you're putting too much importance on something that is ultimately unimportant and inaccurate at determining a class's worth. Parse charts give you a general idea as to how you measure up in the group that you were in. But the more important factor is how quickly your group can clear a dungeon. And as I pointed out, having even just one HR, often doubles the amount of time it takes my usual group to complete a dungeon run.
Also, I'm not saying that HRs suck at PvE, they are beast mode at solo content, and are quite capable of soloing the more difficult heroic encounters (of which Xbox One does not yet have).
As stated above, this may be true for some of the PUGs you've been in but if you group with a coordinated team that utilizes a dog pile on the DC strat, you'll find that this just isn't the case. More often than not GWFs get shafted in PUG paingiver because groups just don't gather things up for them, which is the only time they really shine. And number 2 is totally rellevant, if anything, it's the most relevant of my points. As I mentioned above, at the end of the day, who parsed what on which chart doesn't mean squat. What matters is how quickly your group can finish a dungeon. HRs just slow things down too much for my tastes. During a Dungeon Delve event, my usual crew can run 3 dungeons before the event is over. BUT if we get an HR? Nope, just ain't happening.
Pup - Level 70 4.2k Buff/Debuff AC DC
XBL GT: TehPuppy
Then you never played with a good HR well built, as simple as that, try to find a good one around and bring him into one of ur dg run, you'll see how a true HR can outdps your best dps'er in your premade group ^^
And that was in both case, premade and PUGs, tho most of the time if i get matched with a good HR the dg doesnt last more than 30mins (xcept DV -_-), and in premade around 20
Are you that HR? Cause I'd love to have you tag along to see if you can walk all that talk.
Pup - Level 70 4.2k Buff/Debuff AC DC
XBL GT: TehPuppy
Nop sadly i'd love to but im not a HR, but im sure you can find one around 14/15k gs on the forums that know how to play, if u're willing to, you look like you had some serious bad experiences with HRs, you'd be surprised to see what a true one can do
Hi.
You can believe him. HRs are incredible powerful and have the highest single target damage ingame for bosses in your module.
The following video and ACT is from mod 4 PC version, but I think it shows enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AggkBflSTjA&hd=1
Heroes of Darkness
Retired since 02/15
My opinions are my own. Please do not judge my friends nor guild for my statements.
This thread is about being kicked by PUGs, therefore the examples from PUGs are more relevant than what your specific guild is doing.
No hate at all - it's awesome that your guild have a plan that's working for you... and well executed teamwork will win out anytime.
If you're one man down and looking for someone to fill a role, it's fair enough if a ranger wouldn't work with your team's specific strategy (although I'm sure they would if you let them know what the plan is), but overall (both in terms of the raw stats and in utility) PUGs kicking Rangers in insanity.
Join us brothers and sisters and distant relations and confused onlookers.
Join us in the shadows where we stand mostly vigilant... although slightly distracted by our inventories.
"In war, unqualified. In peace, disorganised. In death, mild irritation."
JOIN US.
That's some insane aoe damages, exactly how HR should be played in pve
That is unfortunate, and if by "some serious bad luck" you mean, never ever running into a single good HR, then yes, I believe your statement is accurate if what you say about HRs is true. I can recall of only one time in which I was with an HR that parsed well but that was with a complete PUG made up of a TR, two GFs, the HR, and myself as DC. But I tend to think that even that HR wasn't the best as the dungeon still took just under an hour to complete (eFH), not that having two GFs would help with that matter at all...l I am not one who is so stubborn as to never admit that I am wrong and I relish the idea of being proven wrong in this particular instance just because being so would have the implication of pulling off even faster dungeon speed runs than my group currently manages.
SO, to any good HRs out there, please add me on XBL so we can bring you along for some dungeon runs! I am anxious to see if what the other people in this thread are saying holds true and also anxious at the thought of pulling of sub 20 minute dungeon speed runs as that is our current group's average time when we're running a full premade.
As I mentioned above, I'll believe you but I'm putting faith in something I still see no factual evidence for. Linking Mod 4 stuff doesn't say much to me just because of how drastically things changed between mod 4 and 5.
Sidebar, ahhh the good old days of DCs blue AShield being good!
Pup - Level 70 4.2k Buff/Debuff AC DC
XBL GT: TehPuppy
Here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_N_yOdaCxc&hd=1
Heroes of Darkness
Retired since 02/15
My opinions are my own. Please do not judge my friends nor guild for my statements.
If they use any at-will at all, they're likely doing it wrong.
If they use the bow like a sniper rifle, not a shotgun, they're doing it wrong.
If everything is constantly rooted to the spot or dying, they're doing it right.
Help rehabilitate bad rangers by pointing them here:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?875931-Drisdhaun-AoE-PvE-Build
Join us brothers and sisters and distant relations and confused onlookers.
Join us in the shadows where we stand mostly vigilant... although slightly distracted by our inventories.
"In war, unqualified. In peace, disorganised. In death, mild irritation."
JOIN US.
Join us brothers and sisters and distant relations and confused onlookers.
Join us in the shadows where we stand mostly vigilant... although slightly distracted by our inventories.
"In war, unqualified. In peace, disorganised. In death, mild irritation."
JOIN US.
Still mod 4 doe... Impressive yes. But also outdated
Didn't interpret what you've said as hate. I'm not one of those keyboard warriors that just runs around trolling forums and spewing hate at anyone who disagrees with me. That and I also understand that the context of text baseed discussions can be rather easily misinterpreted so unless someone is directly calling me names, I try to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are saying their 2 cents in good manner, as I hope others do when they read what I say.
And yes, the main thread is primarily about which class gets kicked most often. It's hard for me to say with any degree of certainty which class that is. All I have to offer is my own experiences and in those experiences, my group usually tosses out the HR first for the reasons I've already mentioned. Although that should be taken with a bit of understanding that my usual crew RARELY kicks anyone, regardless of how bad they are. The only circumstances we typically kick for are if THEY are spamming vote kicks that fail, or if they're being obnoxious in chat or over the team comms. It's my personal belief that games are meant to be enjoyed by all, and kicking someone just because their class isn't ideal goes against that principle belief. Sure my group and I may moan a bit that we have another HR (because from my experiences so far, they've all been bad) but we can still enjoy ourselves even if we can only squeeze in one dungeon run during the dungeon delve event. Having fun in games is simply left up to how youwish to have fun and my crew enjoys just gaming together. Doing well isn't always a factor (although it can help).
I'm down for promoting this link to help with Project Save the HRs. Mainly because I want to see what a good one can do.
Pup - Level 70 4.2k Buff/Debuff AC DC
XBL GT: TehPuppy
My third character is a HR... Archery path. Its not bad in any sense, but I honestly do feel like I'm not really playing it to its full potential. I'm gonna respect and give this a shot (no pun intended) when I hit level 60. Thanks for this.
My advice? Join a guild that is fairly active. Buy a keyboard to speak easier- always have your headset ready (although with xbox 1 party glitch what good does that do?
For your respite we pray
Let our humble song clear your hearts of dismay,
Rekindle the flame in your souls and set you free
So walk on and become the light that guides the way~