item Level ahould not be trusted for comparing gear

stretch611 · April 2015

I was leveling my new Oathbound Paladin today...

I received a new shield and I wanted to see if it was better than my existing shield.

The rare shield that was equipped was IL:33 and the new common shield was IL:39. The difference was +2 Defense; +29 Deflect, but a loss of 3 AC. The tiny benefit to Defense/Deflect caused a significant difference of 6 item levels... However, the real problem here is that the loss of 3 AC is a lot more overall damage resistance than the defense and deflect values combined. The rare shield is far superior protection even though it has a much smaller item level.

milenaelz · April 2015

I believe that the item level system is either broken or glitched. If it isn't, then this new system of gear mesurement is far worse than the old GS system.

The other day when I checked the stats of a DC resting at the fire place, she only has one artifact slotted, I have three. My HP is about 6k more than hers, my power 4k+ more than hers, Armpen, Recovery, Crit, Def, all far higher than hers but guess what? Her item level is the same as mine xD

Mod 6 is really bleh.

thexarkun · April 2015

anyone that measured gear by item level or gearscore....just please don't even play.

milenaelz · April 2015

LOL That's like saying 'anyone who likes better gears don't play..'

rversant · April 2015

Itemlevel seems accurate for most 60 + gear, but really lame below that.

kiraskytower · April 2015

milenaelz wrote: »

The other day when I checked the stats of a DC resting at the fire place, she only has one artifact slotted, I have three. My HP is about 6k more than hers, my power 4k+ more than hers, Armpen, Recovery, Crit, Def, all far higher than hers but guess what? Her item level is the same as mine xD

Inspect anyone - they all have exactly the same item level as you ... it's a bug (or maybe a deliberate move from the devs to keep us from comparing this number). So look at their gear, ignore the number.

quspiv · April 2015

all cool, but what if system doesnt let you enter specific instance because your itemlvl is too low? eh.

angrysprite · April 2015

kiraskytower wrote: »

Inspect anyone - they all have exactly the same item level as you ... it's a bug (or maybe a deliberate move from the devs to keep us from comparing this number). So look at their gear, ignore the number.

I hope this is true. It would eliminate the elitist ejects based on Item Level score (as it was previously with GS). Gear Score then and Item level score now does not a good or bad player dictate. So if what you say is true: it's a genius idea and kudos to Devs for thinking of it.
If it's a bug then it's one that should remain in place.

stevedudeman · April 2015

thexarkun wrote: »

anyone that measured gear by item level or gearscore....just please don't even play.

I think what you meant to say was skill..

asterotg · April 2015

angrysprite wrote: »

I hope this is true. It would eliminate the elitist ejects based on Item Level score (as it was previously with GS). Gear Score then and Item level score now does not a good or bad player dictate. So if what you say is true: it's a genius idea and kudos to Devs for thinking of it.
If it's a bug then it's one that should remain in place.

Yea, all the new dungeons are a walk in the park and as long as you have 1.6 or 2k IL you are fine. If you fail, it is the elitists fault for not beeing able to carry you. Sarcasm off.

angrysprite · April 2015

asterotg wrote: »

Yea, all the new dungeons are a walk in the park and as long as you have 1.6 or 2k IL you are fine. If you fail, it is the elitists fault for not beeing able to carry you. Sarcasm off.

"Elitism" is just another word for "jerk" or even HAMSTER$hat sometimes.

This is a cooperative game in these instances. So you can be a jerk and just kick someone who is still trying to learn and improve just like you did when you were in their shoes, or you can deal with it, make a friend and actually help out. But it would be your call on that.

drakeos99 · April 2015

Yeah i got kicked out from parties cause i was learning how to do epics (never done epics back before Mod5 came out) even before scourge warlocks

yet cryptic is forcing us to PAY to win (get better gears from AH)

eaglessharpy · April 2015

I never trust the level, have had too many items that are better at a lvl. req lower than the one I was wearing at the time.

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qutsemnie · April 2015

quspiv wrote: »

all cool, but what if system doesnt let you enter specific instance because your itemlvl is too low? eh.

Won't happen in the same way that it happened with gear score. The reason is in gear score boons counted, so what happened was you could gear a friend out and they couldn't get into dungeons with you because of the innate delay of getting boons. In addition some boons counted and others didn't. In the new system boons don't count, so if you actually just put on decent gear you will always hit the item level needed. There is far less ways to not hit an item level break point and still claim "I got good gear" then there was in gear score

zachary4829 · April 2015

It isn't meant to be an end all decider, it just gives people that aren't interested in stats a good benchmark. The number in no way is meant to represent the effectivness of the item for YOUR SPECIFIC build, it only represents the overall allowence for stats.

I know you don't want to read this, but I'll throw it out there anyway. The higher the number the greater the allowance for stats. Each stat has an individual weight, so an item with a score of 100 might allow for 100 life steal, or 50 hit point, or 50 life steal & 25 hit points. You can see that some items with the same score could be absolute HAMSTER while others are godly.

The score is a benchmark, it relates to the level of the gear not it's effectiveness.

obsiddia · April 2015

As per before the change, don't trust the Suggested gear. It also doesn't
take into account gear that is superior because of its set bonuses.

praxismirrors · April 2015

milenaelz wrote: »

I believe that the item level system is either broken or glitched. If it isn't, then this new system of gear mesurement is far worse than the old GS system.

The other day when I checked the stats of a DC resting at the fire place, she only has one artifact slotted, I have three. My HP is about 6k more than hers, my power 4k+ more than hers, Armpen, Recovery, Crit, Def, all far higher than hers but guess what? Her item level is the same as mine xD

Mod 6 is really bleh.

I think that when you inspect someone its showing your item level instead of their item level

aulduron · April 2015

LOL That's like saying 'anyone who likes better gears don't play..'

GS, or AIL is only an indicator of how many stats the gear has. It does not indicate whether or not those stats are appropriate to the character. For instance, a CW doesn't need 5K Deflect and Regen, with 1K power, ArP, and crit, though it would give a high score.

Inspect anyone - they all have exactly the same item level as you ... it's a bug (or maybe a deliberate move from the devs to keep us from comparing this number). So look at their gear, ignore the number.

All my toons have different AILs. They ranged from 11K to 19K. However, I did notice that my 19K CW had the same AIL as a 24K CW guildmate.

I think that when you inspect someone its showing your item level instead of their item level

This would explain it, though I don't inspect many people now that you can't do it from chat.

item Level ahould not be trusted for comparing gear

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