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PvP: Combat vs Trapper in Mod6
I'm level 70 already, so I'm ready to discuss class build.
Feel free to chime in on the upside and downside of each class. I'll contribute what I know already too.
Trapper:
Pros:
- As usual, damage heavy. Bleeds have a higher potential, but the reduced crit becomes a problem.
- Makes crushing roots most viable. Combined with the cooldown, that's a lot of interrupts.
-I see a lot of people claiming crushing doesn't last long enough, or that it's a terrible daze, but that isn't the point.
-Anything with any length of casting time will be interrupted. That's some pretty powerful potential.
Cons:
- Survivability is low. Even with the new fully upgraded pvp set, deflect is something like 1700.
- Mobility is minimal. With lack of movement bonus or set bonus, I feel like I'm walking through pudding.
Combat:
Pros:
- Lifesteal. Oh my god, lifesteal.
- Build on the preview got lifesteal up to 40% chance without even R10s. That's nuts.
- Faster.
- Merdauder's rush becomes viable again, which is fantastic for getting in/out of fights.
- You are untargetable while merauder's rush is active. Yes, you can get hit by AOE, but you can't be targeted. This is a huge advantage.
- Better deflect builds grant combat HRs better mobility than they had last mod. They'll be dazed, stunned, and rooted less, which is vital.
Cons:
- Massive DPS loss. Compared to Trapper, it's pitifully low, and given that everyone has 100k HP now, that is a big problem.
- Dazes and stuns still make merdauder's impossible to use, which means an Oghma's is mandatory.
- Lifesteal is worthless when getting one-shot by TRs. So what if you have full HP. They'll hit it immediately, and then some.
Hybrid:
I wasn't originally going to discuss this, but hey, might as well.
Pros:
- Still utilizes Trapper's fast cooldown time.
- Still has heavy lifesteal.
- Can utilize ambush to make a near perma-stealth build
- Plays like Combat HR, which is less rotation intensive
Cons:
- Ambush is still bugged. You can't place bleeds then stealth, which means glyphs are out.
- While HRs are still very slow, I don't know how effectively you'll be able to evade while stealthed.
- Can't lifesteal while you can't hit, which means you'll have to time attacks, or pray you get some regen. Not reliable.
- Relies on almost no CC, which means you better be fast with that stealth. There is no room for error.
- No roots means no daily cooldown, which means less forest ghost, which means less dps in stealth.
Hybrid is basically entirely for node-contesting. But we'll see with more experience, I guess. I'm open to new input.
Feel free to chime in on the upside and downside of each class. I'll contribute what I know already too.
Trapper:
Pros:
- As usual, damage heavy. Bleeds have a higher potential, but the reduced crit becomes a problem.
- Makes crushing roots most viable. Combined with the cooldown, that's a lot of interrupts.
-I see a lot of people claiming crushing doesn't last long enough, or that it's a terrible daze, but that isn't the point.
-Anything with any length of casting time will be interrupted. That's some pretty powerful potential.
Cons:
- Survivability is low. Even with the new fully upgraded pvp set, deflect is something like 1700.
- Mobility is minimal. With lack of movement bonus or set bonus, I feel like I'm walking through pudding.
Combat:
Pros:
- Lifesteal. Oh my god, lifesteal.
- Build on the preview got lifesteal up to 40% chance without even R10s. That's nuts.
- Faster.
- Merdauder's rush becomes viable again, which is fantastic for getting in/out of fights.
- You are untargetable while merauder's rush is active. Yes, you can get hit by AOE, but you can't be targeted. This is a huge advantage.
- Better deflect builds grant combat HRs better mobility than they had last mod. They'll be dazed, stunned, and rooted less, which is vital.
Cons:
- Massive DPS loss. Compared to Trapper, it's pitifully low, and given that everyone has 100k HP now, that is a big problem.
- Dazes and stuns still make merdauder's impossible to use, which means an Oghma's is mandatory.
- Lifesteal is worthless when getting one-shot by TRs. So what if you have full HP. They'll hit it immediately, and then some.
Hybrid:
I wasn't originally going to discuss this, but hey, might as well.
Pros:
- Still utilizes Trapper's fast cooldown time.
- Still has heavy lifesteal.
- Can utilize ambush to make a near perma-stealth build
- Plays like Combat HR, which is less rotation intensive
Cons:
- Ambush is still bugged. You can't place bleeds then stealth, which means glyphs are out.
- While HRs are still very slow, I don't know how effectively you'll be able to evade while stealthed.
- Can't lifesteal while you can't hit, which means you'll have to time attacks, or pray you get some regen. Not reliable.
- Relies on almost no CC, which means you better be fast with that stealth. There is no room for error.
- No roots means no daily cooldown, which means less forest ghost, which means less dps in stealth.
Hybrid is basically entirely for node-contesting. But we'll see with more experience, I guess. I'm open to new input.
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Hey, me too.
I've avoided the Archery tree like the plague since mod4, because combat became the overwhelming meta, then trapper, but it appears they've given some significant damage buffs to the tree. I'd like to see what people come up with there too.
Trapper for me
What's wrong with it?
hahahhaa damage is pitiful low? combat can outdps trapper easily. its just all focused into a few seconds.
Tell me where your dps should come from as combat.
Tell me in pvp how you are going to compensate -10 crit chance and how you are going to kill a 120k enemy.
4x carefull attack dots with plague fire.
Good luck with that, if the first get deflected all the following get deflected too.
Ready for 4/second fey thistle procs? Mmm its like 10k hp/second...you kill yourself
Please enlighten me(us). I tested melee and in pvp its not cutting it nm what I tried.
Next am going to try Archery/melee hybrid with tons of life steal +p.vorpal and see if it can work out with ambush I will come back on that later but as of now trapper seams to the most valid option as you need the cc.
Elven battle enchantment. See a trapper? Put it on, and trapper does not cc or does dmg, so R.I.P.
Maybe in pug matches this does not matter, but in premades vs players with unlimited resources, a trapper can be completly countered. Sad, but true.
but u still gotta be at least close to bis to make it work
what u need is to stack crit to about 8/12k which is possible with the burning pvp gear using 2/2 of each
those also have higher recovery which u also need offence slot are all azure and defence slot going all HP
with the right boons/feats/features u get about 55% deflect without needing to stack it on gear
u notice i didnt say nothing about power, thats because u dont need it using a pure/tranc feytouched gives u the damage bonus u need
more power is great but u dont really need it with feytouched.
about which powers to use the new plant growth is bis since it procs cap stone multiple times like rain of blades + it roots which is great only downside is the long cooldown which is why u gotta have high recovery and be stormwarden for the encounter reduce
with stormstep, nw i know that carefull attack works great with combat HRs but u get more utility with stormwarden and its a lot better for pve since bladestorm is BIS while pveing as a combat hr.
so instead of carefull attack u gonna use aimed strike for the constant procing of flurry another must have is marauders for the fast in and out with no speed bonus its gonna be great for mobility last encounter is for u to decide either fox or boar keep in mind that fox damage is no longer mandatory since all ur damage is coming for the at will procs of flurry so boar might be a better choice for the extra cc, if u do it right with this u get a high survivablity dpser that can really deal massive damage on single targets
actually using combat life steal procs almost constantly if you go for the lifesteal feats.i found my health constantly climbing to the top.
the damage dont stop...you still get full ticks.
I'm talking about the damage as a combat..not really into stacking life steal
the damage is great too but its really only single target if you want good damage.
wilds medicine still broken + some rank 4 skills not working so better wait to take advantge of a good combat build
Devs said there'd be a large patch on that date, but they haven't revealed any info as to what will be happening on it. Current speculation includes the rest of the missing dungeons, patch fixes, possibly a bit more new content, and some further rebalancing of classes.
Complete:
- The Monk - http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?865991-The-Monk-A-Relatively-Detailed-Proposal-for-a-New-Class
Under Work:
- The Primal Totemist
- The Wild Sorcerer
- The Summoning Binder