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Question about WB and Creeping Death
pfundaddy
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TL;DR: Warlock's Bargain works oddly with Creeping Death, and I want to know whether it is bugged or working as intended.
I've got two parts to this question.
Firstly, as it stands Warlock's Bargain does not naturally proc Creeping Death unless you use your normal curse first. Is this intended? It seems somewhat unnecessary to me, seeing as the tab curse has nearly no cast time to begin with.
Secondly, something is weird with the way they work with either Dreadtheft or Soul Scorch. Dreadtheft will not remove your Warlock's Curse through Bargain, while Soul Scorch will (I haven't tested this with any other encounters, mostly because I just haven't felt a need to use anything else that would potentially consume my curse), meaning that you can get full creeping death procs for the duration of Dreadtheft, but lose out on some from Soul Scorch because you have to reapply the curse in between casts (you lose some from the DoT). Is this intended as well? It just seems sort of inconsistent to me.
Thanks.
I've got two parts to this question.
Firstly, as it stands Warlock's Bargain does not naturally proc Creeping Death unless you use your normal curse first. Is this intended? It seems somewhat unnecessary to me, seeing as the tab curse has nearly no cast time to begin with.
Secondly, something is weird with the way they work with either Dreadtheft or Soul Scorch. Dreadtheft will not remove your Warlock's Curse through Bargain, while Soul Scorch will (I haven't tested this with any other encounters, mostly because I just haven't felt a need to use anything else that would potentially consume my curse), meaning that you can get full creeping death procs for the duration of Dreadtheft, but lose out on some from Soul Scorch because you have to reapply the curse in between casts (you lose some from the DoT). Is this intended as well? It just seems sort of inconsistent to me.
Thanks.
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That combination of encounters melts faces extremely quickly and nicely heals you in the process.
It was the greatest DPS secret for a long time, you have no idea how many SW's to this day that still dont realize the worth of Warlocks Bargain when used before DT on Tough/Bosses.
Many time I see them not Curse first.
But You should be aware that this combo can still be out dps'ed by Fiery Bolt or Killing Flames.
With the seemingless endless dot..I don't see how. Please share
Tried this combo first on a dummy in trade of blades and it looked like it ticked at least 200 times for an average damage per tick of about 500. So ya, 100k damage over about 5 seconds/20k per second. Tried it in pvp vs a well known pvp healer cleric and not only was the cleric unable to keep its party healed, I killed it several times O_o . Her health bar went way down then way up then way down then way up. While I stood fairly still with full sparks and a full healthbar throughout. Was my first experiment with the combo in pvp and now it won't leave my hotbar. I even took out killing flames to replace it with harrowstorm just to give the entire series of dots time to kill the target without them healing themselves.
Actually, is that true even with Creeping Death? Assuming you're getting more than one full rotation off, wouldn't the extra 100% bonus damage over eight seconds pretty much outweigh the smaller cooldown and higher non-necrotic damage of both those powers?
If we're talking burst damage, then you're absolutely right, but Creeping Death would seem to render any sort of non-necrotic damage inferior in a sustained damage situation, unless there's something I'm missing here, which is pretty likely to be fair.
Just wanna make sure I'm not completely doing my class wrong.
First, Overdriver , PvP is not Equal to PvE
in PvE Fiery Bolt, Killing Flames and DT can out DPS the other combos. the reason why the functionality of Fiery Bolt, it can crit pretty big on multiple targets, and specifically great when used with TT daily.
Try it out yourself, you will see the Benefits and the Downfalls to that setup.
overdrive, WB and DT are not very good in PvP in general, its only use is for those high profile clerics and for stealthers, unfortunately WB is easy to Block/dodge and DT is easy to interrupt/disrupt the attack leaving you with a long cooldown.
one of the best Hellbringer Fury combos for PvP is Harrowstorm, WB/Fiery Bolt, and Killing Flames. Use WB instead of fiery bolt for if you find yourself 1 on 1 alot, FIery Bolt is just great because one shot can get your target low on health for a easy Killing FLames kill.
Killing Flames is bets used with Fury and the Murderous Flames Feat btw
ok, interesting. It makes sense that the best combo really depends on the composition of the other team. I try to stick with necro just to proc cd which is why I dont like firey bolt in pvp. + afaik fire damage s resistable while necro (like piercing) is not.
Every necrotic Damage you do (not including enchants) will creat 1 stack of Creeping Death, as the stacks are created they are also consumed for the pre determined value based on the damage Done by the Parent Ability.
Fiery Bolt just has less risk, since if you use Bargain, you are out 15% health, heals are reduce in PvP so you dont get that health back instantly like you do in PvE, and if the encounter was Dodged then you are REALLY out that 15%.
Many times if i use Bargain, its is DIRECTLY after i use harrowstorm and prone the target (i throw Rebuke on too if Im confident I wont be able to kill them with a single Killing Flames at that point.
In GG PVP, i would recommend FB over WB every single time. But a well times and planned WB is much better in a 1 on 1 situation, most of the time.
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