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Feedback on New enchantments.

denvalddenvald Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 702 Arc User
edited February 2015 in NeverwinterPreview - Feedback/General Discussion
Simple. No whining thread for once.

I'm very pleased to see that we will not require two r10s for a r11 and two r11s for a r12.

One r10 upgrades to a r11 and one r11 upgrades to a r12. This is great news IMO.

Thanks :)
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  • vadimt83vadimt83 Member Posts: 259 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    The cost of upgrading from R7 to R10 is the same. But once you get to R10.... "But wait a min, what about the casuals who never planned to reach R10? Oh them? they're screwed"
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  • vadimt83vadimt83 Member Posts: 259 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    morenthar wrote: »
    My main is two years old. I have donated to the game. I haven't thrown my wallet at it. It's been spelled out how to generate AD without spending much or even nothing with a little patience. Rank 7 are dirt cheap. Rank 9 to 10 is a bit of a wall but you have to still earn some things in games. Do you expect to be BiS/maxed in 3 months?
    No, I expect to remain at a reasonable gap from BiS whales.
    But now my R7 enchants are 5 levels away from BiS, and its easier to get from R10 to R12 than from R7 to R10. Effectively if you already have BiS enchants is easy for you to get the new BiS.
    Same for artifacts, I have no oranges but the cost from L99 to L100 is still 5(!!) GMOPs and change, making it easy to rank up to L120 if youre at 100 already because the paywall haven't moved.

    TL;DR
    The paywalls are at the wrong place. They have to be moved to R10 on enchants, L120 on artifacts, etc etc.
  • loboguildloboguild Member Posts: 2,371 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    burkaanc wrote: »
    so the whales get easy way to get better while other ppl still need 2 enchants to get 1

    I was thinking this as well, but math states otherwise. Let's take RP out of the equation because for enchants they drop like candy.

    Math looks like this: R10 Radiant cost is hardcoded ar 2M (because of Marks and Wards) and gives +400. That's 5k AD per stat point. R11 and R12 cost 1.26M AD and give an additional +200 stat points. That's 6.3k AD per stat point. So BiS players get less return for their investment for going to R11/R12 than the players that are trying to "catch up".
  • katbozejziemikatbozejziemi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    burkaanc wrote: »
    so the whales get easy way to get better while other ppl still need 2 enchants to get 1

    Pretty much, people who were stuck below 10 are still stuck there, only the gap gets wider.
  • warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    katbozejziemi wrote: »
    Pretty much, people who were stuck below 10 are still stuck there, only the gap gets wider.

    only it is even worse now with diminishing returns removed with new stats curve 400 for 1% so higher lvl enchants will give a lot more then they could give before :(
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    people with rank 10 worked to reach that level.
    however the cost/stat for enchantments above rank 10 is higher than the cost/stat for enchants below that level.
    if you cant affort rank 9 starting from rank 8 you sure as hell cant affort rank 11 starting from rank 10.
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  • vadimt83vadimt83 Member Posts: 259 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    loboguild wrote: »
    I was thinking this as well, but math states otherwise. Let's take RP out of the equation because for enchants they drop like candy.

    Math looks like this: R10 Radiant cost is hardcoded ar 2M (because of Marks and Wards) and gives +400. That's 5k AD per stat point. R11 and R12 cost 1.26M AD and give an additional +200 stat points. That's 6.3k AD per stat point. So BiS players get less return for their investment for going to R11/R12 than the players that are trying to "catch up".
    Just to put things in proportion: Making an R7 is 75K. nuff said.
  • denvalddenvald Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 702 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    This thread wasn't meant to be a whining post about omgerd we want to be BiS without working.

    Do dungeon delves and leadership and move on, seriously. It's do able

    I'm genuinely glad that you don't need two rank 10s for a r11. That would have been hell tbh
    I am the monk, martial skill transcends the battlefield
    It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
    You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.

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  • vadimt83vadimt83 Member Posts: 259 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    denvald wrote: »
    This thread wasn't meant to be a whining post about omgerd we want to be BiS without working.

    Do dungeon delves and leadership and move on, seriously. It's do able

    I'm genuinely glad that you don't need two rank 10s for a r11. That would have been hell tbh
    Doable but why? Not everyone swims in the whale territory and not everyone thinks of this game as a job. Hell, I'll take some overtime at (my real) work and I can buy so much zen, I'll never have to do "work" for AD again.
    The cost for getting R8-R10 is too much, but I can live without it. Now all R10 owners will have R12, and what will casuals like me do?
  • valwrynvalwryn Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,620 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    The R5's drop quite a bit in the new area even without Fey Blessings. Getting to R10's will become easier.

    Do the Bonding enhantments go up 2 levels past Perfect?!? :confused:
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  • runonnikerunonnike Member Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I feel that the gap between non-paying members (epic artifacts, rank 7 enchants) and paying members (legendary artifacts, rank 12 enchants) is going to be too big.

    In other words, it's like a taxi trying to keep up with a Bugatti.
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  • onecoolscatcatonecoolscatcat Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    runonnike wrote: »
    I feel that the gap between non-paying members (epic artifacts, rank 7 enchants) and paying members (legendary artifacts, rank 12 enchants) is going to be too big.

    In other words, it's like a taxi trying to keep up with a Bugatti.

    Not really. New stat curves mean enchants are pretty much worthless. rank 10-12 is an extremely small in-game difference. Not enough to justify the expense IMO.
  • katbozejziemikatbozejziemi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    valwryn wrote: »
    The R5's drop quite a bit in the new area even without Fey Blessings

    So what? It's the MoPs that are expensive, not RP.
  • flyingleonflyingleon Member Posts: 451 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    katbozejziemi wrote: »
    Pretty much, people who were stuck below 10 are still stuck there, only the gap gets wider.
    Man, try to look positive sides. The stats are not worth as much as before due to the new curves. The blue marks of potency will be easier to get I assume, because there is a chance to get it in the encouters drops. I would guess it will be easier to make rank 6s and 7s. Hence, it will be easier to work from 7s. NO, I could not see the gap gets wider.

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  • sndxdeadxshootsndxdeadxshoot Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    runonnike wrote: »
    I feel that the gap between non-paying members (epic artifacts, rank 7 enchants) and paying members (legendary artifacts, rank 12 enchants) is going to be too big.

    In other words, it's like a taxi trying to keep up with a Bugatti.

    Is that 4.4million damage? Did you do that on preview?
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