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Dungeons? Are they meaningful anymore?
snowspartandl
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Lately, I've been wondering if dungeons have any meaning now, I mean, since the Rise of Tiamat where T2 gear is so easily earned and are not BOP.... Prices have dropped significantly in the last week on the AH and it has become increasingly more difficult to find people to run dungeons. In my opinion, some major changes need to happen to 1. keep current players and 2. attract new players.
Here are some changes, that myself and fellow guild members came up with and thought they would help the longevity of the game.
1. Revamp the gear. I don't mean the stats, cosmetics, or anything like that, but make T1, T2, MC, VT, CN gear more like the artifact gear that has recently come out. So you run a dungeon, and the pit bosses, and the final boss most will drop shards and RP stones (black opals, flawless sapphire, ect.) and when you beat the boss and open the chest there are, not epic, but common items of that set. So now you have a choice, which set do I want to go for? (I'm going to use TR gear, because that is what I am) So you see the Master Duelist, Elusive Agent, Shadewalker bracers to choose from and it is only green, but it has the set bonus with it. So I choose the Master Duelist bracers and equip them. Now here is the interesting part (drumroll)...... The cake is a lie :P .... anyway as you gain XP by killing enemies doing dailies (oh the grinding XD) the Master Duelist bracers stats go up over time and eventually be epic. Now you could use RP stones to get the gear to epic faster, but as you play the game your equipment improves, over time. I believe this would put some emphasis back on running dungeons, with friends even, and improving your gear. Rather than getting your epic gear dirt cheap from AH or just running dungeons with OP groups till you get your set piece. Because once you get your set, the game loses it D&D feel and turns into the I must grind these dailies, mindlessly, for months to get my boons. And who doesn't love the daily grinding for a boon (sarcasm)..
With that said, I do love the current artifact main and off hand idea. just love being able to boost the passive powers. really good concept! And same thought with Jewelcrafting, I like what they have done there.
2. More dungeons! Where are the dungeons like CN? even MC and VT are fun to run. Recently, Mod 3, 4 & 5, no significant dungeons have been released. eLoL is okay, but you can do it in like 10 minutes. A lot of good concepts and ideas and making it useful to have a variety of classes in a group, but overall kind of boring and short. I give it a 4/10. I consider eLoL a skirmish with how short it is. Instead of only offering dailies to complete the boons, have multiple dungeons, good dungeons. Interactive and fun to play.
So you have Mod 6, assuming here, in a couple months. Whatever the overarching concept for it is, release like a dungeon a month that requires teamwork, strategy and is fun to play. So using Mod 4 and Tiamat, they have the the dragon books needed for boons 4-7. Jumping forward now, this is great idea, but you know what would be better? If you didn't have to grind for 100 sigils and scrolls to get the book. I know it dropped sometimes from SoT and such, but do the dailies to get campaign currency so that you unlock a dungeon and a key for chest. At 20% chance of acquiring the book for the boon out of chest is doable. You may not get the first couple times, but with enough grinding, of dungeons with friends.... or PUGs, you could get get the boon and not have to grind dailies for months on end. So you collect these books from new dungeons, that lead up to the new module. Where the culmination of all the dungeons come together for a raid that takes more than 20 mins... and requires more than zerg.... and for gods sake, be able to enter the raid with a 25 person pre-made group. Make use of guilds, make a function so that a guild can have a group of 25 with 5 parties of 5 people.
I realize those two items are pretty major changes, but would be steps in right direction, IMO. I know a couple people, who have played the game since beta and are now looking for new game, because of lack of dungeons, no real need for guild other than to be friends, but that is what a friends list is for.... Hopefully Cryptic reads this and does some brainstorming....
Here are some changes, that myself and fellow guild members came up with and thought they would help the longevity of the game.
1. Revamp the gear. I don't mean the stats, cosmetics, or anything like that, but make T1, T2, MC, VT, CN gear more like the artifact gear that has recently come out. So you run a dungeon, and the pit bosses, and the final boss most will drop shards and RP stones (black opals, flawless sapphire, ect.) and when you beat the boss and open the chest there are, not epic, but common items of that set. So now you have a choice, which set do I want to go for? (I'm going to use TR gear, because that is what I am) So you see the Master Duelist, Elusive Agent, Shadewalker bracers to choose from and it is only green, but it has the set bonus with it. So I choose the Master Duelist bracers and equip them. Now here is the interesting part (drumroll)...... The cake is a lie :P .... anyway as you gain XP by killing enemies doing dailies (oh the grinding XD) the Master Duelist bracers stats go up over time and eventually be epic. Now you could use RP stones to get the gear to epic faster, but as you play the game your equipment improves, over time. I believe this would put some emphasis back on running dungeons, with friends even, and improving your gear. Rather than getting your epic gear dirt cheap from AH or just running dungeons with OP groups till you get your set piece. Because once you get your set, the game loses it D&D feel and turns into the I must grind these dailies, mindlessly, for months to get my boons. And who doesn't love the daily grinding for a boon (sarcasm)..
With that said, I do love the current artifact main and off hand idea. just love being able to boost the passive powers. really good concept! And same thought with Jewelcrafting, I like what they have done there.
2. More dungeons! Where are the dungeons like CN? even MC and VT are fun to run. Recently, Mod 3, 4 & 5, no significant dungeons have been released. eLoL is okay, but you can do it in like 10 minutes. A lot of good concepts and ideas and making it useful to have a variety of classes in a group, but overall kind of boring and short. I give it a 4/10. I consider eLoL a skirmish with how short it is. Instead of only offering dailies to complete the boons, have multiple dungeons, good dungeons. Interactive and fun to play.
So you have Mod 6, assuming here, in a couple months. Whatever the overarching concept for it is, release like a dungeon a month that requires teamwork, strategy and is fun to play. So using Mod 4 and Tiamat, they have the the dragon books needed for boons 4-7. Jumping forward now, this is great idea, but you know what would be better? If you didn't have to grind for 100 sigils and scrolls to get the book. I know it dropped sometimes from SoT and such, but do the dailies to get campaign currency so that you unlock a dungeon and a key for chest. At 20% chance of acquiring the book for the boon out of chest is doable. You may not get the first couple times, but with enough grinding, of dungeons with friends.... or PUGs, you could get get the boon and not have to grind dailies for months on end. So you collect these books from new dungeons, that lead up to the new module. Where the culmination of all the dungeons come together for a raid that takes more than 20 mins... and requires more than zerg.... and for gods sake, be able to enter the raid with a 25 person pre-made group. Make use of guilds, make a function so that a guild can have a group of 25 with 5 parties of 5 people.
I realize those two items are pretty major changes, but would be steps in right direction, IMO. I know a couple people, who have played the game since beta and are now looking for new game, because of lack of dungeons, no real need for guild other than to be friends, but that is what a friends list is for.... Hopefully Cryptic reads this and does some brainstorming....
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My suggestions are:
1) Make chest piece drop from Valindra BOE
2) Add main hand/off hand BOE drop for each class to her loot tables
3) Add greater marks of to the loot table for MC last boss. Plus maybe BOE drop of main/off hand too. Or even chest piece?
4) Revamp t2s, add new difficulty and new improved sets of current t2s. (basically what OP said
Very true, I never had a guild which I would consider "mine". I mean, I never felt like a part of one...always done everything on my own so just switched to solo play. Literally I see no reason to start looking for any guild. They simply give you nothing besides some new ingame friends or I don't know...that thing people call "having fun together?" Such vague stuff, at least when it comes to the MMO for me. (I don't talk about PvP guilds by the way, those are different)
And now as t2s become trash and we can't play tiamat with our friends/guildmates...mmo?
WTB Class Reroll please
2. More dungeons with CN-like loot tables and that can't be completed by someone the day (s)he hit 60 is something a lot of us are asking for for a long time. Don't see it happening anytime soon though. The new direction seems to be easy dungeons if any, dailies, HEs, and RNG loot.
Of course those sets have mostly been superseded now, as is the nature of long-running games like this. We all clamour for new content and upgrades but then complain when we out-level the older stuff. One of these days I'll go back to some of those dungeons and see if I can solo them.
Oh, and am I the only one who LOVES the artifact equipment and doesn't feel the need to max all of them out in the shortest possible time? Yes, I'm saving RP for the double weekend but after that I'll happily just drip feed them my drops forever.
Doing content with the chance to better your gear, that is why we like to play the games after all right? This would help keep the social aspect interesting rather than go out farm random mobs non stop for resonance stacks or AH / Zen store prices only etc.
Right now IMO the game is not alt friendly any more. I used to love playing my alts, but the thought of having to gear up artifact gear for all of them is stressful at best. I don't have the time to grind my main up to golds yet on all, let alone think about alts.
IMO, I think you are completely wrong with T2 sets being "long killed off." A good many clerics run with the High Prophet, which is T1. I used a T1 set (Master Duelist) for the longest time. well into 17k GS. It's not the gear that makes the player, but the player that uses the gear to their style. This is accomplished by using the set bonuses. I have almost every armor set acquired for the TR and I choose to run with the Profound Executioner for PvE, even though it is a PvP set, because of the set bonus it provides. 33% more stealth and 7.5% more damage while stealthed. Amazing for PvE. I have full Black Ice & Draconic Armor don't like em' because of the set bonus. I will take a lower gear score to a higher one if the set bonus is better for me and my play style. And with the new "remodeling" of the TR I am now able to go toe to toe with CWs in CN for damage and such. Thanks for that Cryptic
And I don't mind if they drop T2 in Tiamat, but at least make it BOA. Make people earn their gear, at least a little.
Are you against working for to better your gear? I agree that if the rate was 1/10 it would still be painful, but if it was 1/1 would that be as bad? I am a casual gamer, couple hours a night after work and couple more on weekend, and I am averaging the 250k exp rollover every two to three weeks. That would be a good rate to lvl your equipment, and it's not like you would be taking your armor set to legendary. It would only go to epic (lvl 35). I would think within a month to a month and a half a casual gamer would be able to get their set to epic.
People love to feel like they have accomplished stuff( i.e. acquiring set, leveling artifacts, getting rank 10 enchants) what better way to make gamers feel accomplished than to take a green item and get it to epic just by playing the game, running dungeons/raids, and doing occasional dailies.
These are just my suggestions, I felt like changes need to be made to keep players interested in the game and not switch (that would be bad business model for Cyptic) otherwise I think we will see commercials like WoW "Instantly boost to lvl 90!" XD
constructive criticism welcome.
I'd rather be kicked than stoop to that level, but it also tells me that the dungeon difficulty should scale with player capabilities (and perhaps the rewards as well).
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