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Dungeon Party formation takes too long- Please introduce a mentor system
shajibsiddiqui1
Member Posts: 11 Arc User
Problem-
As it stands now, the fastest way for a geared player to find a dungeon party is through the "looking for group" panel. However, the grear score demanded by players for dungeons is almost always significantly higher then the minimum gear score required by the dungeon. As a result, only heavily geared players get quick entry to run dungeons, while newer players or undergeared players needs to wait for the party que.
Solution-
Introduce a mentor system simillar to what has been done in the other Perfect World Entertaintment game, Forsaken World, which incentivize inviting low lvl players, or in this case lower gear score players into the party and give a reward to the higher gear score player for helping out. There needs to be a minimum gap between the gear scores of the highest member and the lowest member for the mentorship to be activated during the dungeon run. When the mentorship gets triggered, everyone above the min gap from the lowest gear score member will be rewarded. For example, the minimum gear score gap is 3000. This means that if the difference in gear score between the highest gear score member and the lowest gear score member is above 3000, the mentorship gets triggered. After it gets triggered, everyone above this 3000 gear score gap also gets a mentorship reward after completing the dungeon.
As for the rewards itself, it needs to be significant enough to actually motivate people into making time within their daily schedule. I hope one day we will see "looking for lowbies with gear score XXXX" in the looking for group panel instead of the usual incredibly high gear score requirement to enter the party. Thanks for reading and have a nice day.
As it stands now, the fastest way for a geared player to find a dungeon party is through the "looking for group" panel. However, the grear score demanded by players for dungeons is almost always significantly higher then the minimum gear score required by the dungeon. As a result, only heavily geared players get quick entry to run dungeons, while newer players or undergeared players needs to wait for the party que.
Solution-
Introduce a mentor system simillar to what has been done in the other Perfect World Entertaintment game, Forsaken World, which incentivize inviting low lvl players, or in this case lower gear score players into the party and give a reward to the higher gear score player for helping out. There needs to be a minimum gap between the gear scores of the highest member and the lowest member for the mentorship to be activated during the dungeon run. When the mentorship gets triggered, everyone above the min gap from the lowest gear score member will be rewarded. For example, the minimum gear score gap is 3000. This means that if the difference in gear score between the highest gear score member and the lowest gear score member is above 3000, the mentorship gets triggered. After it gets triggered, everyone above this 3000 gear score gap also gets a mentorship reward after completing the dungeon.
As for the rewards itself, it needs to be significant enough to actually motivate people into making time within their daily schedule. I hope one day we will see "looking for lowbies with gear score XXXX" in the looking for group panel instead of the usual incredibly high gear score requirement to enter the party. Thanks for reading and have a nice day.
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And yes typically legit runs are greed all runs as this is the only fair way to distribute loot. Typically though if you are a new player after something specific, depending on what it is, most people would be open to discussion on allowing you to need. Things that are bop, such as Off hand weapons or dread legion chests from valindra, etc, are usually "need if you need it." But there are other gear drops which may be an upgrade for you that ppl are just going to salvage so you could talk to the players in your party about you wanting to roll need on x item. Again cannot stress this enough, you would need to work out whatever particular loot rules will be followed with whatever group you are in before you start.
The real heart of the matter, though, is some people want to be able to roll "need" on the BOE T2 drops, you know, the only thing that has any value whatsoever in a dungeon. Most people who wanna roll need are just greedy players looking to make AD. A small minority of them are as you say, new players who simply don't know any better.
I've run tons of new players through dungeons helping them gear up, especially T2 dungeons can easily run a group of new players through all 4 of the armor dropping T2s in a DD hour, if you have a head start. With the change to the DD chest rewards a long while back, almost everyone gets their full T2 set in under 5 runs of each dungeon. Typically within 10-15 total dungeon runs. I've seen at least a dozen players go from blues to full t2 gear in a single DD hour. There are outliers of course, ppl with just terrible RNG but its extremely rare. You are far more likely to gear up 10 new characters in a row in full T2 before you ever see a single T2 BOE armor piece drop from a boss. There is no reason to ostracize yourself or miss out on groups who run /greed all, because you think greed all is somehow unfair to you, as a new player. You will get your gear in basically no time at all and it will be free from the chest.
A word of advice though, if you actually are a new player and happen to win a BoE t2 armor piece, you should never, ever equip it. You should always sell it and use the AD you get for other things, such as enchants, cheap jewelry, etc. You will get the armor for free from DD chest. If you can afford to equip the armor (ie lose 100k-500k AD) then you are not a real new player who actually needed the item, and if you got the item by rolling need and cheating the rest of your party out of it, then you should feel bad.
and you can include drop bugs too
Best suggestion is to join a guild that is dedicated to having fun and helping new people gear up. Those exist and are great. It is hard to enjoy Neverwinter alone once you reach 60.
The issue isnt just about collecting tier 2 gears. For instance, my gwf has a full avatar of war set, with some enchantments making my gear score to 12655 atm. This gear score is too low as most parties that wants to run greed runs for even T2 dungeons look for an average gear score between 14-15k. To reach 15k gear score will require a lot of time and effort, most of which is wasted waiting to join a party or to waiting in que. When it comes to higher tier dungeons like valindra temple or epic LOL, the gear score demanded is about 16k+, making the wait even longer.
This is why there is a need to incentivize running dungeons with lower gear score and rewarding players with higher gear score for helping out in gearing. That will allow much faster group formation and everyone can enjoy it.
Then something is wrong on your end as I have half T1 and half T2. I have enchants in all my gear of rank 5 or a few 6s. I have like a 15k GS.
PWE games and those done under the Cryptic name are done differently so coding in a mentor system might not work.
I think a lot of new players don't have the artifacts we have as old players. A lot of GS comes from that, easily a few thousand.
That said, a reasonable effort and getting 12k, 13k is not that hard.
As for full T2 sets, without needing on boE drops it took me TWO DAYS to get it on my SW. If you run one dd a day, a week? maybe? it's not that hard anymore.
I think the gear score requirements are stupid. I saw 15k for Karru and I'm like... LOL, I know 15k players who can solo karru. I of course, messaged the person and throughly mocked them, then inspected them and they were like 11k or 12k - so they were saying "I am terrible, please carry me"
That's why legit is a good system now.
I LOVE the idea of the mentor ship reward. I would help people more with such an incentive. The problem is the incentive can't be too much. If it's like 40-50k worth, sure I'll run something, but if it's like 5k RAD - who cares? Hard thing to calibrate.
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