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What to do with hundreds of thousands rough AD, or how else do i use DD chest drops??
z0w3r
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Hi there, dont know if the name of this topic cought anyone's eyes, but hope it did... Let me explain what im thinking about here... and why im writing about it... I have opened lair of lostmauth few days back, since then, i have farmed the dungeon and finished it many times already, and here comes the question, since it is the "hardest" or atleast the "newest" dungeon, why there is almost no way to make any AD out of it on daily basis, i mean, you finish the dungeon, open last chest and get everything thats in the Bind on pick up, makes it unable to trade or sell in AH to make any profit, only 3 ways i know of are 1. salvage 2. sell to vendor and 3. put it into weapon (refine) now lets talk a bit about all 3... 1. since you can only refine 24k/day, makes this option kind of useless... when it is set up like this, and you cant really use these "drops" other way, having 24k/day out of it is way too low... only for dailies you get that much or more... plus when u get something else then jewels, fe. weapon or armor, its 10krAD... what do i do with all those rAD?? 2.Vendor i guess i dont even have to talk about this option 3. Refine ok so i choose not to salvage any of those "drops" and i put it into my artifact weapon instead, all i get is +650 refine points for armor part and 1300 for weapon, seriously? thats like 3 peridots (1 peridot on AH is around 150 AD) total, makes it worth 150AD +- for any T3 jewel/armor and 450AD for weapon... so this option is as ridiculous as first and second one... so what am i missing here? Why am i spending hours a day "farming" the top dungeon in game, to get nothing out of it?? isnt it stupid??? or to get lucky, and one day maybe get a belt for myself? doesent seems to be enough for me, players should be rewarded for their time spent in those dungeons in my opinion...and getting 24k AD each day is not the reward i am asking here... Why are all these drops from chests "bind on pick up" when you can not use it after you drop them all? Or should i keep all those what i get from chest and wear it? then i need like 150 more fingers 50 more necks/20 bodies and 20 hands to handle all that...
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This ain't a job. And you don't get a salary of 1 belt for every 10 runs, or 10k AD for every run.
If you don't enjoy the lair/dungeon and only go there for the reward you might want to ask yourself why you are there (or in this game) in the first place.
Lets imagine we go BoE with the stuff ...
for a week the prices would be insanely high, flooding the market, after 4 weeks the prices would be close to or below salvage price.
(draconic boots -> 7k AD)
So, in the short run very few lucky would profit, in the long run a new player would be stupid to play the game as such as the price is so low that actually "playing the game" would not make any sense. Why run a dungeon when the reward is available on the AH for 7k AD anyway?
At first the "old" players would flood the AH with these items, making profit, milking the new ones.
It is not the poor 9k GS mage that makes constant "great success", it is the 20k with 20m AD that would profit, further increasing the gap.
And then there is PWE, who wants to have many players online for a long time, to increase the possibility of buying some ZEN for, e.g. an iced MH. If you get what you want very fast, why play the game? why do players buy lockbox keys? Why to players go to a casino?
It'S the prospect of hope that drives us, I think.
Enjoying the game... quite not possible when i dont progress anywhere, im not playing it to log in game and see the same content all over again, with same quests, same dailies, i want to progresss, i want to get new stuff, get my character stronger, this "enjoy the game" bull-S is getting old, i simply dont enjoy it as u probably are... and farming should help me achieve that... but there is no fair way to make game currency in game in the matter of time/efficiency at least not one that doesent require to invest millions of ADs before you start making profits... like professions...
I don't know, maybe so that there is actually some actual form of progression instead of being overloaded with rough ad which limits how much you can play? Also FYI one of the ancient rings is still 76k AD. Though LoL probably wouldn't have the same effect since it's shorter and possibly easier to beat. How does one enjoy the game when the only form of actual progress is through repetitive freaking dailies? Not making progress is not fun. Games are highly designed to feel rewarding. The only reward in where you don't progress is to actually solo epic dungeons.
If we wanted fun without gearing, we'd try one of the many other games with better story progression or competitive multiplayer. You could pvp here as an alternative but lets be honest, it's not the best designed pvp.
Create another char (preferably another class), level it to lvl 60, play with it - it takes some time, but meanwhile you have 24K AD/day to refine with 1st one. This is fun until they become 10, but i guess you are far from there yet.
Currently I enjoy doing the dailies with him, collecting gear, sending unbound rings to other toons with less income. i sell the BoE drops if I win them and if they bring some AD on the AH.
If I may ask, why are you then still around if everything you do is unrewarding? PvP and matchmaking is broken beyond repair?
It must be rewarding enough for you to stay on one hand (and it seems to be),
but at the same time the game must be NOT rewarding enough, so you to keep trying to get items.
Perfect balance.
Because I invested a lot of time and ad into this game and don't want it to go to waste. I'm working on my 19th-28th leadership toon which will give me plenty of ad generation and it seems like a waste for me to take so long to get to that point only for it to be wasted by quitting. Basically stubbornness and I'm stupid
Also from the ps2 era I've not really been motivated to find and get into new games. Though there is one MMO in development that could be more promising.
Now, if you consider the game a job ... you better stop now than later, because the more you spend the harder it will be for you to quit. (I left UO with 5 large houses, a castle and sooooo much valuables I don't even remember them from one day to the other)
Well I might as well stay for mod 5 which is round the corner and get the gear that I bought rp for and see the tiamat encounter. Especially when it won't be as hard to unlock They really didn't need to change the constant progression we used to be able to have without relying on stuff like leadership or taking advantage of the ah or events like the gond event. If I had less time, I wouldn't really want to spend most of that time on dailies and waiting for stuff to spawn. Luckily it doesn't currently bother me too much, although I can't progress in the campaign on more than 2 toons anymore. Still with 2 monitors I can just do stuff on another monitor and wait, with less time I wouldn't really want all of that waiting. Really I should've probably legt though. Before this I used to play a lot of LoL and kept playing purely to keep unlocking all the champions which I had locked 100+ for free I played thousands of games though and burnt myself out and stopped having fun even though the game itself was fine. Over here it's that I see the games direction itself is the reason why it's no longer fun ):
I do wonder about my future in gaming and if I can truly enjoy it, I have enjoyed fun runs with the guild, but on the whole I've seemed to enjoy gaming less. One reason being the toxicity of players who can just be jerks and feel like I don't fit into that style. Thankfully I've never really seen much of that here even though it can be really bad especially with kicking others for personal gain which is just disgraceful. Anyway how I feel doesn't matter, what does matter is trying to improve the gaming experience and that's what I try to base my views on even if we get less out of it but is still good overall. Though of course those views are still in my perspective.
Back on topic, I found that the way I handled excess rAD was by not playing the content anymore such as dungeons considering I didn't gain anything from it. While that may not be something you want to do, you could play another character and gain that rough AD and so you can spread it and therefore gain more. However if you don't want multiple toons it's a downer.
Yep
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_costs#Loss_aversion_and_the_sunk_cost_fallacy
Both of you are on point. The ability to enjoy the game comes from the capacity to apply perceptual contrast on the fly so to speak. ie...play another game of less quality in the mechanics etc and see why you are still here in spite of your frustrations and endless complaints, then you'll see why this person enjoys the game. But also, many do log in to enjoy the will to power, as Nietzsche stated, happiness cannot be experienced without experiencing personal power which itself cannot be experienced without moving through resistance/ obstacle...passing an exam etc etc. Many play these games to enjoy psychically the experience of power which has been proven to play itself out in ones mundane fleshy reality.
This is why I have suggested that the game offer new ways to refine ones power through other types of acquisitions such as player homes of various levels...real estate...etc etc that is an alternative to ones capacity to kill PCs and NPCs. We want to enjoy the game mechanics and graphics etc AND we want to refine and grow our character.
Create an NPC like the salvage "merchant".
A gnome(one of the few Lantaneese survivor) with a new contraption. A rough astral diamond press. Of course the machine is not impervious to flaws and has been known to completely destroy rough astral diamonds introduce in it but according to this gnome the machine can refine 100 000 RAD a day for you, with 25% loss. Basicaly offering players to refine 24000 RAD a day with no loss or 75000 for 100000 RAD.